Topic: Butterfly Labs shipping 300 units a day - page 12. (Read 29035 times)

I am not a liar just wrong 100% of the time ...lolz

That is the best denialist viewpoint of a topic I have ever seen 

How can you be the first to report it when I was the first to report it?

That 30% of sales thing is going terrible! I'm recognizing 40% - 65% that I'm pocketing. I'm seriously thinking about ending my barn wood endeavor to scam charities full time.


Thank you! See, you can be nice when you want to.

Here's a gift to you: If you can find the site mentioned, I authorize BitcoinTalk to ban me permanently. Today is your lucky day, Josh. Don't let this opportunity pass you by.

Happy hunting!

It is clear that the right hand at BFL does not know what the left hand is doing. They issue conflicting statements as to what is occurring while trying to placate irate customers on their own forums. I would imagine that customers with large orders don't get censored or banned on BFL forums, lest those same customers ask for a refund and precipitate a run on refunds. So since they can't delete all the angry posts, BFL has to come up with "explanations".

 Holy semantics, Batman ! That's quite the noodle-baker.

How about an easier one:

If BFL is shipping 300 units a day and has been working on June 23rd 2012 orders since May 21st
How many units has BFL shipped?

If you assume they are working 7 days a week then 18900 units.
If you assume they are working 5 days a week then 13800 units.

Do you believe either of these numbers?

I didn't think so.

How many orders do you think reasonably were placed on June 23rd 2012?
Take that number and divide it by the number of production days between today and May 21st 2013 and that is how many they are likely shipping each day.  If you think it was 5000 units ordered on 6/23/12 and they work only on weekdays then they are shipping 105 units a day.

Currently they are again out of power supplies for Singles (50gh/60gh units) and are shipping only units where they get the ok from customers to ship without a Power Supply.

Mini-Rigs, the units that were $20k plus still have not moved but a couple.

And Jalapenos are back to sending out one day of orders each day.

You guys get into the name calling and the accusations. Try using common sense. A 5th grader can see they aren't shipping 300 a day.
In Josh's mind it's the truth because he saw 300 Jalapenos go out the door on one day and ONE day only.

2 weeks ago (tm) he said that production would grow to over 600 units a day, and his shipping person is telling us they are out of power supplies.

I don't think he is a liar, I just think he is wrong. All the time.

I like how you quote my statements in this very post, which you then ignore in order to draw your conclusion. Fortunately, I have the patience of a saint when dealing with folks who have trouble following logic.

You should not ignore the maths, it is the whole point of this series of posts.
You should also not ignore the bolded statement where BFL_Jody declared that the Jalapeno line was stopped while the other lines catch up.
Where I said "for the sake of argument, lets say those units are little singles", that was to establish the lower bound. Those units could not be Jalapeno's per BFL_Jody's statement that none of those were shipping. Those 300 units could have been Little Singles, Singles, or Mini-rigs. I said for the sake of argument that they were all little singles because if any of them were larger than little singles, then the math is even farther than adding up. Little singles have the least hash rate of the possible shipping units from BFL.

My statement is not a "claim" as you put it. It was an assumption, and then under that assumption I illustrated that the maths did not add up. Therefore the assumption could not be true. BFL could not be shipping 300 of little singles, or 300 of anything larger than little singles. BFL_Jody said that the Jalapeno line was halted during this period. So the point of my posts are:

If at the time of the visit BFL could not have been shipping 300 Jalapenos (according to BFL_Jody).
and if BFL could not have been shipping 300 little singles (the maths don't add up),
and if BFL could not have been shipping 300 of anything larger than little singles (the maths are even farther from adding up),
then BFL was not shipping 300 of anything while Josh was giving that tour.

You said:


Then you did some maths. Then you made the following statement:


Which is simply a lie. You are the one making that claim "for the sake of argument", not BFL. BFL only claim that they were shipping 300 units per day.

People shouldn't care what accounts created a week ago think of BFL. I know I don't.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/bitcoin-ponzi-scheme-alleged-by-sec-in-lawsuit-against-texas-man/2013/07/24/232a764e-f3c0-11e2-81fa-8e83b3864c36_story.html
The SEC got Pirateat40, is BFL next?

Hahaha....You fail so hard...

Next player try again

I don't support BFL...I only hate weirdo behavior.

PS: I'm not paid but i accept donation 1NY4JjTBJuj6EgA9BQ6bXyKdyVThrDRuQk  

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Accounts older than April 1st 2013 that unambiguously support BFL:
Kano (paid for with hashing equipment)
Slok (paid moderator for BFL forums)
Inaba (COO of BFL)

Anyone have any others?

Really Bruno ?

I read a lot of your posts here...

I never see any simple questions...only implying, false evidence (oh yeah your supa post with the pictures from different hardware..) tin foil hat conspiracy, etc, etc...

The only thing simple i see here...is YOU.

Yet another one of Bruno's lies:


Huh, name posted by Bruno himself in March... yet somehow I'm the first one to post it.  Yep... more honesty from one of the biggest scammers in Bitcoin, Bruno Kucinskas aka Phinnaeus Gage.

How'd that 30% of sales thing go?  


Straight to your pocket, I'd wager.  Quite the little scam you have going on there Bruno.  Stealing from a charity, quite a class act!

No problem, bud! Will do! And you keep on responding to posts while working in the capacity of BFL on irrelevant subject matter while your customer base awaits product.

BTW, please point out the lie I made when inquiring about that FCC cert you promised in two weeks back in last November. I apologize for keep bringing it up, nut you keep glossing over the subject each and every time I, among your loyal customers, keep bringing it up.

And what about the lie you commented about meeting with Sonny K. but have yet to release whom that person was?

Josh = COO of BF Labs Inc.
Bruno = A person on the internet asking very, very, very simple questions.
Josh = Doxxing a person on the internet for asking very, very, very simple questions.
Bruno = The guy being doxxed and accused of stealing barn wood around the Sandwich, IL, area.
Josh = Deflecting the attention away from any subject of which may harm BFL.
Bruno = Continues to ask the same very, very, very simple questions.

Which person above has a credibility issue: The barn wood guy or the guy doxxing the barn wood guy?

More homophobic hyperbole from Phinnaeus Gage AKA Bruno Kucinskas!  You go, Bruno!  Show the world what a bigoted, irresponsible liar you truly are!

And BFL is well aware of the loophole. Legally, they can deliver one unit a day and be within the confines of the law. But they opt to send out a dozen units a day to keep the refund requests as low as possible.

For those patiently waiting for units, Josh is currently in his office penning posts on this forum, posting private PMs sent to him.

Any other employee, whether a COO or not, of any other company doing such, would be immediately terminated. That said, why is Josh still employed at BFL? I think the last thing that Sonny Vleisides wants is more heat bestowed upon his beloved up-and-up enterprise.

I formally request that BF Labs Inc. immediately fire Josh Zerlan from their company before he starts releasing private information about BFL's affairs.

Sonny: Josh, I'm sorry to say this, but I have to let you go.

Josh: But,...

It's really not that uncommon for a company to a long time to deliver a product.  If you look at stuff done on Kickstarter, things got funded and took way longer to deliver then promised. The only difference is that with bitcoin hardware, a lot of the value is tied to when you get hardware.  If it comes to late, it's worthless.

For things like android watches or whatever, customers are not going to care that much, they're just buying a toy and their lives will go on if it's a year late.

But I don't think BFL will be criminally liable as long as they ship all their products, even if it takes 2 years and the miners don't even pay for electricity once they finally reach customers.

I'm willing to bet that a lot more refund requests were made once the SEC article about Pirate got released, especially by investors further down the queue. Those close to the top of the queue may not request a refund, opting to take a calculated gamble, the same gamble by those made too late in Pirate's Ponzi Scheme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nqcL0mjMjw

You may be right.  More seriously than I had thought, I'll admit.  My view was they would let bitcoin fraud and crime consume it from the inside.  I guess that that fraud was so egregious, and so clearly fraught with securities violations, that they couldn't let it go. 

The pre-sales, though, I'm still not sure there will be governmental intervention.  That said, I've been surprised that BFL hasn't been more aggressive in "correcting" posters on these forums when the term "investor" rather than "presale customer" was used.  Sure, it would be a stretch to associate a presale with an unregistered investment, since it was tied to a specific item, but, still, you can't be too careful when you're running close to an edge.

I think the SEC charging Pirateat40 has made Josh a little nervous and testy. It seams the Feds are taking fraud in the Bitcoin space more seriously than some had thought. 

This is the fourth time I have tried to explain why you are on my side. Please pay attention, it is making you look bad.
A) BFL_josh made the claim in the article in the OP that they are shipping 300 units a day.
B) BFL_jody said they stopped the Jalapeno production line to let the "singles and mini-rig lines catch up".

Those two statements in combination (if true) would result in at least 9TH/s per day (over 10 days time the lower bound would be 90TH/s) since by BFL's own admission they had temporarily stopped shipping Jalapeno's. Since 90TH/s is not visible in the hash rate, it does not exist. Therefore, one of those two statements is false.

As to which statement:
People who were expecting their Jalapenos to be built and shipped (since BFL was close to their pay date) had an unexplained week long wait that generated several forum posts. Therefore, it was more likely that BFL redirected their efforts towards the other lines as Jody claimed.
That leaves Josh's statement to a reporter touring the BFL facilities as unlikely to be true.

Since this thread is about that statement, I provided the math behind why the title of this thread is somewhat misleading.