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December 31, 2024, 12:28:42 AM
Because in essence, a true bitcoin investor does not look at the current price of bitcoin or when they make a purchase. Because they know that bitcoin is an asset that has great potential in the future. So based on this sense of trust, bitcoin investors no longer hesitate to continue investing their money in bitcoin without looking at the price when buying it. So the person who is waiting for bitcoin to fall to $35K, I think he should be informed about this, if he really wants to be a bitcoin investor, and not a trader.

In my opinion, if buyers who already understand the great potential of BTC in the future will be relaxed in putting their money to buy btc either in regular or large amounts, but timing is also needed to get a reasonable price periodically. For a drop of up to 35K as said by his friend @Proty, it may sound funny and in my opinion that number will never be touched again unless large hodlers sell their assets massively in the past continuously for a long period of time.
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December 30, 2024, 11:23:49 PM
Just of recent I met a guy that  said he is waiting for bitcoin to dip to $35k before he continues accumulating which is very wrong.  

who would even think about that right now, has the person check Bitcoin recently to see the price?, perhaps you should have explained to him that he might be waiting for even $20 years time and the price will not even near that $35k, sometimes is very easy to tell if someone is just bluffing about Bitcoin investment because he was just pretending that he will invest when deeply he is not and I cannot see why some persons are hating themselves for starting now instead of earlier and your friend is talking about waiting for $35k when Bitcoin is swinging $90k to $100k plus, it actually called for a big laugh and perhaps those speculators must have whispered him such thing before concluding on that.
For this reason, understanding the issue of Bitcoin investment must be studied properly. Because basically waiting for the price of bitcoin to fall to make a purchase, I think someone who does this habit is more suitable to be called a trader rather than an investor. Because in my opinion, people who have thoughts like that are most likely people who want to make big and fast profits. That's why I say people like that cannot be said to be true bitcoin investors. Because of the actual bitcoin investment, as we have often discussed in this thread. Namely those who continue to purchase bitcoin using cold money at whatever price (with the DCA technique for example).

Because in essence, a true bitcoin investor does not look at the current price of bitcoin or when they make a purchase. Because they know that bitcoin is an asset that has great potential in the future. So based on this sense of trust, bitcoin investors no longer hesitate to continue investing their money in bitcoin without looking at the price when buying it. So the person who is waiting for bitcoin to fall to $35K, I think he should be informed about this, if he really wants to be a bitcoin investor, and not a trader.
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December 30, 2024, 07:26:32 PM
Just of recent I met a guy that  said he is waiting for bitcoin to dip to $35k before he continues accumulating which is very wrong.  
who would even think about that right now, has the person check Bitcoin recently to see the price?, perhaps you should have explained to him that he might be waiting for even $20 years time and the price will not even near that $35k, sometimes is very easy to tell if someone is just bluffing about Bitcoin investment because he was just pretending that he will invest when deeply he is not and I cannot see why some persons are hating themselves for starting now instead of earlier and your friend is talking about waiting for $35k when Bitcoin is swinging $90k to $100k plus, it actually called for a big laugh and perhaps those speculators must have whispered him such thing before concluding on that.
I would say never say never,  take the action during the ATL in  mid NOV 2021 2022 where the price dipped 36% below the 200wma.

FTFY

Lets consider 200 wma currently (42032) and with a 36% haircut you get to ~27k.

Even though I get similar measurements as you, the 200-WMA is currently much higher than your amounts.   I see $42,716, which gives me $27,338.. .yeah similar results, even though your 200-WMA seems a wee bit on the low side.

We definitely in a different part of the cycle so its hard to compare the two times, but certainly useful to help figure out bottom ranges, I'm very bullish in the fact that the 200 wma is ever increasing and that your probably right that spot to 35k wont go there , but I would feel much more confident in that when the 200 wma sits at closer to 48k.

We can never completely rest with 100% confidence, yet I am with you that we should be attempting to measure from base case scenarios that are more likely rather than fantasizing about something that seems to be just being made up... and would need some pretty extreme events to play out to come even close to happening.

More than likely the person as you say doesn't have the conviction yet, and thats why they aren't buying in, but they could also be watching the 200wma ranges too, and be willing to wait a long time. I will absolutely say I disagree with that type of approach though, DCA & HODL for the win!

Yep, any newbie should be mostly just buying consistently, persistently, ongoingly, regularly, and perhaps even aggressively, and sure maybe at some point the newbie will have had accumulated a sufficient amount of BTC that it starts to make more sense to start to try to figure out ways to buy BTC on the dip rather than just buying without focusing very much, if at all, on BTC's price.
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December 30, 2024, 06:48:43 PM
Just of recent I met a guy that  said he is waiting for bitcoin to dip to $35k before he continues accumulating which is very wrong.  

who would even think about that right now, has the person check Bitcoin recently to see the price?, perhaps you should have explained to him that he might be waiting for even $20 years time and the price will not even near that $35k, sometimes is very easy to tell if someone is just bluffing about Bitcoin investment because he was just pretending that he will invest when deeply he is not and I cannot see why some persons are hating themselves for starting now instead of earlier and your friend is talking about waiting for $35k when Bitcoin is swinging $90k to $100k plus, it actually called for a big laugh and perhaps those speculators must have whispered him such thing before concluding on that.

I would say never say never,  take the action during the ATL in  mid NOV 2021 where the price dipped 36% below the 200wma.

Lets consider 200 wma currently (42032) and with a 36% haircut you get to ~27k.

We definitely in a different part of the cycle so its hard to compare the two times, but certainly useful to help figure out bottom ranges, I'm very bullish in the fact that the 200 wma is ever increasing and that your probably right that spot to 35k wont go there , but I would feel much more confident in that when the 200 wma sits at closer to 48k.

More than likely the person as you say doesn't have the conviction yet, and thats why they aren't buying in, but they could also be watching the 200wma ranges too, and be willing to wait a long time. I will absolutely say I disagree with that type of approach though, DCA & HODL for the win!

 
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December 30, 2024, 04:45:01 PM
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Bitcoin is expensive but the most important thing is that it's a reliable and economic feasible investment that have high tendency of profitability.
Believe me that what we seeing now as too expensive in the price of Bitcoin cannot be compare to the value of Bitcoin in the future because it's very certain that the price will skyrocket in the future. So a good investor don't look at the high price of a commodity but the economic potential and sustainability of the commodity in regard to the possibility of bringing a profitable return on the investment in the near future which a believe that Bitcoin is that unique commodity.
The quest for Bitcoin investment will always have positive increase in the future which will in turn result to increase in price, so for this reason I think it's advisable for every investor have the financial capacity to aquire Bitcoin to accumulate more Bitcoin as much as possible now and hold it for a long time because those that will preserver to hold it for long time will surely have a good rate of return in the near future because Bitcoin will surely be the most source after commodity in the world in the near future.

I think that you have a lot of the right ideas bestcandy, yet you are still describing the situation in some weird kinds of ways.

I think that the part of your points seem to be that any newbie investor into bitcoin should not be overly concerning themselves about the BTC price, and surely it can be difficult to know when it might start to become o.k. for an investor into bitcoin to become more concerned about the price, which personally, it seems to me that any investor can become more sensitive to price after having had spent a decent amount of time accumulating bitcoin, whether they might spend a whole cycle accumulating bitcoin or perhaps they are able to frontload their bitcoin investment in order to buy large amounts towards within a shorter period of time (shorter than a whole cycle).

The other point that you seem to misstate is a kind of implication that bitcoin is guaranteed to go up in price in the future, which truly is not the case.

Sure there do seem to continue to be strong inferences that bitcoin has a very strong investment thesis that is an asymmetric bet tot he upside, which means that the most that any of us could lose is 100%, yet the upside potential remains quite strong.  Another dynamic seems to be that bitcoin is amongst the best, if not the best, of investment options that is open to people all around the world so long as they have some amount of discretionary income that they can invest 4-10 years or longer.  Bitcoin is still not guaranteed, even when it has very strong attributes.

One is in accumulation phase or not depends on how many Bitcoin he has. There is no standard guide that tells whether you have enough Bitcoins, this is something you have to figure out yourself.

Overall you are correct MusaPk.  No one can really determine how many BTC is either enough or more than enough for another person, especially if we might not know what they goals of the person might be, such as if they might be trying to get to fuck you status, and even if we can put some ballpark ideas on how many bitcoin we need to get to fuck you status, we might not even agree upon how to valuate such bitcoins or how we might manage such bitcoin once we achieve such "enough" or "more than enough" status.

Part of the reason that we might present hypotheticals to each other can be helpful in terms of attempting how to strategize in getting to a status of enough or more than enough, how to valuate our holdings and what kinds of strategies we might have in terms of managing those holdings once we get to such status.

Another factor can be time, so we might consider how much bitcoin we might need in today's dollar terms, yet if we are still quite a ways from getting to such "today's needed" quantity, then we have to project how many we might need at various future points in time, and surely the measurement ruler could be changing, even including our expected standard of living.  We might have a current standard of living that is middle class for the area in which we live, so if we want to stay somewhat within the boundaries of that same income class (and standard of living class), then perhaps we can use that to measure where we would like to get to over a certain period of time.  There might be some of us who might aspire to live at a higher standard of living than our current one, so it could be 2-5x greater or maybe it is 20-50x greater, and surely it would be more difficult (but not necessarily impossible) to reach the higher multitudes (or magnitudes) of standards of living higher than our current one.

We can ballpark our aspirations and consider the extent to which our aspirations are realistic, and surely some guys do end up creating goals that are nearly impossible (or fantasy) to reach, so frequently  it will be useful to attempt to establish various steps along the way in which we can measure and/or tweak our progress... so shorter term goals of 1-3 months, 6-18 months, and then medium term goals of 3-6 years and then longer term goals of 10 years or 20 years or more.. .. and surely there can be various points that we can verify whether we are on track, whether we need to change what we are doing or change the goals in order to keep our goals somewhere in the ballpark of realistic even if sometimes we might also have some goals that we set for ourselves that are quite challenging to meet, but still might be within the realm of possible but are more aspirational rather than something that we consider to be automatically reachable.

Hopefully we can attempt to maintain enough funds that we never have to tap into our emergency funds, and surely we know of people who seem to be having emergencies every month or every other month, and if we look more closely at why they are having their emergencies tends to be that they are not managing their cashflows well and/or they are not maintaining enough cash reserves, which like you suggest that the emergency funds should not be touched absent some kind of a real emergency, yet if someone puts themselves into a situation in which they do not have funds beyond their emergency fund, then they will end up tapping into their emergency fund way more frequently than they should be doing (especially if they were to have better cashflow management practices in which they have other funds to tap into based on variances that they might have in their income versus their expenses).   

The more known variances in discretionary income then the more justified a person is to keep larger amounts of back up funds to account for such already known variances.
I agree with you JJG, some emergencies people keep having over and over again aren't to be grouped under emergencies any longer since you're aware it keeps recurring, you'd have to add it to your expenditure budget and try being better at your cashflow management to make provision for such expenses even before it presents itself. When such expenses are periodic, then you dedicate a variance of reserve funds to it and can build that variance to entertain it twice so you're not immediately under pressure to rebuild that reserve fund immediately after attending to it.

I think that we are talking about similar things, yet when you are describing how to manage reserve funds, I think that you are referring to float rather than reserve funds.

Every month we can have quite a bit of variance in our income versus our expenses, and within the month we might purposefully hold income that we had received aside, since we might still not be sure about some expenses that we have, whether it is utility bills, or transportation or food or some other potentially variable kinds of monthly expenses.

If you are carrying over cash into the next month, then perhaps I would consider those as reserves, since those carried over funds might even be tagged for certain kinds of possible expenses, such as buying bitcoin on the dip, savings for a bicycle for a kid, saving up to take the wife/spouse to a fancy restaurant, saving to buy a new income producing product such as a smartphone/computer/motorcycle/car, or various other kinds of possible categories of savings that you might prefer to keep in cash or in a somewhat liquid form.

Understanding yourself and your expenditure patterns would help you employ a good cashflow management pattern to take care of your constant expenses, then create various kinds of backup funds for periodic expenses and be able to reserve emergency funds for pure emergencies only while still remaining committed to your Bitcoin accumulation journey. Everything boils down to proper planning.

Many of us are likely going to feel more comfortable if we are able to project our income and/or expenses for several months in advance, and we might even continuously maintain a cash cushion in our projections (which might be considered  part of a kind of float) that we hope to never get below, since if we use up all of our various funds, then all we have left are emergency funds, that we should hope to never have to touch absent a real emergency... which should be rare - especially once we have spent several years building up our various kinds of reserve/backup funds.
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December 30, 2024, 03:41:41 PM
Just of recent I met a guy that  said he is waiting for bitcoin to dip to $35k before he continues accumulating which is very wrong.  

who would even think about that right now, has the person check Bitcoin recently to see the price?, perhaps you should have explained to him that he might be waiting for even $20 years time and the price will not even near that $35k, sometimes is very easy to tell if someone is just bluffing about Bitcoin investment because he was just pretending that he will invest when deeply he is not and I cannot see why some persons are hating themselves for starting now instead of earlier and your friend is talking about waiting for $35k when Bitcoin is swinging $90k to $100k plus, it actually called for a big laugh and perhaps those speculators must have whispered him such thing before concluding on that.
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December 30, 2024, 03:40:26 PM
I think people who don't want to buy Bitcoin right now because of the high price of Bitcoin will probably take a step back from investing in Bitcoin. The price of Bitcoin will be the same today and the price of Bitcoin will be different tomorrow, meaning the price of Bitcoin is never stable. When the price of Bitcoin was very low in the past, did anyone imagine that the price of Bitcoin could increase so much?
At that time, many people might not have invested in Bitcoin because they thought the price of Bitcoin was too high.Likewise, those who think that the price of Bitcoin is very high in the market right now will regret don't investing in Bitcoin later.

Many Bitcoin analysts and many Bitcoin investors have commented that the price of Bitcoin will increase much more in the future. So no matter how high the price of Bitcoin is, buy according to your ability, if you buy even a small amount regularly, it will also be added to your investment portfolio and one day it will be large.
In investing in bitcoin we need confidence in ourselves, never listen to uncertain words about the analysis circulating on social media, they just say it and it is not certain that it will happen.

For example, you invest with your own money, you are the one who determines when to buy and you are the one who decides all decisions, not other people.

I think, if we are still in the accumulation stage, then just make regular purchases while approaching bitcoin.

Also learn how to organize good management in managing your cash flow in investing.
Not only belief, the most important thing in investing in Bitcoin is to have strong belief and you feel confident that Bitcoin will give you long-term profits because we see its track record and it is proof that Bitcoin will give you big profits in the long term.
Plant your belief before starting it and prepare patience in running it because both are very important things that will make you strong as long as you invest in Bitcoin without caring about other people or anything that will not change your belief, and even though the price of Bitcoin is very expensive, it does not mean that it will make you feel confused because you can buy Bitcoin according to your ability periodically and this will make your Bitcoin big in the long term.
You can have all the believe that bitcoin will do well in the future that's good. But you must also make sure that you have everything else that's need in order for your bitcoin to survive and see that future you are talking about. It is not enough to have just have believe alone when it comes to bitcoin investment, if truly you want to successfully hold your bitcoin for a long time. Some one can have believe that bitcoin will get to certain amount in 10 years time, but if he fails to put the necessary things in place that will help him hold his bitcoin for that 10 years, he won't profit from that price increase. While someone else can just casually buy bitcoin without even having much of belief in it.

Probably he was talked into buying it by a friend or relative, but he has kept everything in place that will help him hold his bitcoin successfully for the next 10 years. The person without believe will be the person that will profit from the bitcoin price increase because he has managed to hold till that number of years and above. With the help of everything that he has put in place, like the emergency funds, reserved funds and so on. At the end of the day it's not all about believing alone, it's all about who is more prepared and following the required steps needed to successfully hold your bitcoin for the desired number of years. Investors should know that faith without work is death.

Absolutely truth there's no room of using believe as forerunner over Bitcoin investment I see believe as subordinate to preparation just as justbillywitt has stated, one might have believe in the future of Bitcoin but lack preparation of holding to the required years and the believe will cut short, what kills believe is doubt and lack of preparation in holding Bitcoin is the same as doubt because it will definitely result to not achieving the required target to which your believe is been centered I concord that preparation is a vital key.

Believe without action is a waste of time and sometimes what will tell people or what will convince them that yes this particular person is really into so so thing is through action. Action speaks louder at times, just imagine meeting someone and trying to tell the person how great and good Bitcoin investment is without having anything in your wallet as an evidence of what you are saying the person will see you as someone that doesn't know what he or she is saying and even though the person will believe you, he or she will not be totally convinced of what you are saying just an example though. Result will only occur when we believe and put much work on that which we believed on.
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December 30, 2024, 03:12:59 PM
Yes one ability to be able to hold his bitcoin till the anticipated timeline is very crucial for long term investor that is why is always advisable to have an emergency fund incase of any unexpected events that want to push one to dip hands into his investment so faith alone can not make our investment to be a success there should be a plan that is to be put into action back up by faith. All investors must have a plan on how they intend to hold there bitcoin till the anticipated timeline and also holding our bitcoin for a longer time does not mean that it is certain to be profitable at the end

Yeah it will endup slowing the growth of one investment, because for instance you are accumulating bitcoin and you making use of $50 weekly as your DCAing, and you kept removing $20 anytime there's any expensive. Which may keep on reducing your bitcoin Stashes, and you know bitcoin price wait for no one so either the price keep on going up like it's doing the past few months . You won't be able to buy back at a cheaper rate , so is better to have some emergency funds so that you won't put hands in your investment.
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December 30, 2024, 01:06:10 PM
I think people who don't want to buy Bitcoin right now because of the high price of Bitcoin will probably take a step back from investing in Bitcoin. The price of Bitcoin will be the same today and the price of Bitcoin will be different tomorrow, meaning the price of Bitcoin is never stable. When the price of Bitcoin was very low in the past, did anyone imagine that the price of Bitcoin could increase so much?
At that time, many people might not have invested in Bitcoin because they thought the price of Bitcoin was too high.Likewise, those who think that the price of Bitcoin is very high in the market right now will regret don't investing in Bitcoin later.

Many Bitcoin analysts and many Bitcoin investors have commented that the price of Bitcoin will increase much more in the future. So no matter how high the price of Bitcoin is, buy according to your ability, if you buy even a small amount regularly, it will also be added to your investment portfolio and one day it will be large.
In investing in bitcoin we need confidence in ourselves, never listen to uncertain words about the analysis circulating on social media, they just say it and it is not certain that it will happen.

For example, you invest with your own money, you are the one who determines when to buy and you are the one who decides all decisions, not other people.

I think, if we are still in the accumulation stage, then just make regular purchases while approaching bitcoin.

Also learn how to organize good management in managing your cash flow in investing.
Not only belief, the most important thing in investing in Bitcoin is to have strong belief and you feel confident that Bitcoin will give you long-term profits because we see its track record and it is proof that Bitcoin will give you big profits in the long term.
Plant your belief before starting it and prepare patience in running it because both are very important things that will make you strong as long as you invest in Bitcoin without caring about other people or anything that will not change your belief, and even though the price of Bitcoin is very expensive, it does not mean that it will make you feel confused because you can buy Bitcoin according to your ability periodically and this will make your Bitcoin big in the long term.
You can have all the believe that bitcoin will do well in the future that's good. But you must also make sure that you have everything else that's need in order for your bitcoin to survive and see that future you are talking about. It is not enough to have just have believe alone when it comes to bitcoin investment, if truly you want to successfully hold your bitcoin for a long time. Some one can have believe that bitcoin will get to certain amount in 10 years time, but if he fails to put the necessary things in place that will help him hold his bitcoin for that 10 years, he won't profit from that price increase. While someone else can just casually buy bitcoin without even having much of belief in it.

Probably he was talked into buying it by a friend or relative, but he has kept everything in place that will help him hold his bitcoin successfully for the next 10 years. The person without believe will be the person that will profit from the bitcoin price increase because he has managed to hold till that number of years and above. With the help of everything that he has put in place, like the emergency funds, reserved funds and so on. At the end of the day it's not all about believing alone, it's all about who is more prepared and following the required steps needed to successfully hold your bitcoin for the desired number of years. Investors should know that faith without work is death.
Yes one ability to be able to hold his bitcoin till the anticipated timeline is very crucial for long term investor that is why is always advisable to have an emergency fund incase of any unexpected events that want to push one to dip hands into his investment so faith alone can not make our investment to be a success there should be a plan that is to be put into action back up by faith. All investors must have a plan on how they intend to hold there bitcoin till the anticipated timeline and also holding our bitcoin for a longer time does not mean that it is certain to be profitable at the end
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December 30, 2024, 12:59:47 PM
Dude to be honest with you the price of Bitcoin now is really expensive even though it hasn't gotten to half of it's future value but currently now it is expensive and the people that sees it to be more and very expensive are people who don't understand the benefit of investing and holding, and some think they can't buy little by little because they don't have an idea. However, traders doesn't actually look at the price of Bitcoin or how expensive it is all they do is look at the market, carry out there analysis and suggest the possible result or the possible movement of the market. In as much as our income are not the same hence Bitcoin will continue to be expensive to some individual and not only to some individual but also to some investors.
How is the price of bitcoin very expensive? Are you thinking of buying 1btc? It is only those that thinks they must get exactly the current price of bitcoin or those who thinks of how profit can be made if they buy bitcoin that will always see bitcoin very expensive.

So far as one is not seeing bitcoin as a future investment but see's it as an investment they feel they can make profit in a specific time, bitcoin will seems to be expensive to them. The current price of bitcoin doesn't make bitcoin to be expensive, you can still buy bitcoin just according to the amount you can afford,  you can do this by accumulating bitcoin from time to time and hodl for the future and if you can be able to achieve this you will see you have been able to accumulate good amount of Bitcoin that will definitely give you a better profit in the future if only you can hodl.
Please ask him that question again. The reason why most of us in this thread practice DCA is because we want to see Bitcoin as a particle/fraction and not a whole. Having in mind that if you combined the multiple of fraction or particles we can get a whole of it. Only few investors and large scale enterprises like the MSTR and few more others are investing hundreds x 1 Bitcoin. This means billions of dollars are being invested in it and these people dont just  buy in fractions.

For a pleb like me. I still see Bitcoin less expensive to invest because i know through DCA and a period of time i will bet a good amount of Bitcoin in my portfolio. If we keep seing it as a big deal then it becomes a big deal for us. But the mindset has changed because of the existence of DCA.
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December 30, 2024, 12:02:50 PM
Just of recent I met a guy that  said he is waiting for bitcoin to dip to $35k before he continues accumulating which is very wrong. It is mostly traders that have this kind of mind set  and not investors, so the current price should be something that should motivate people to accumulate more bitcoin because bitcoin has already proven it's worth over the years and it has not reach its climax
Hey, is that possible? The person you met might be stupid. If he has enough money to invest, then maybe waiting for a dip in the market is not right for him. Also the person you mentioned may be waiting for the bitcoin price to drop a lot, maybe the bitcoin price won't drop that much. Reviewing the Bitcoin price history, it can be seen that the years following the Bitcoin Halving were bullish for Bitcoin i.e. the price of Bitcoin increased. Similarly bitcoin halving happened this year i.e. 2024 so we can expect 2025 to be a bullish time and bull market for bitcoin.
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December 30, 2024, 10:31:36 AM
I think people who don't want to buy Bitcoin right now because of the high price of Bitcoin will probably take a step back from investing in Bitcoin. The price of Bitcoin will be the same today and the price of Bitcoin will be different tomorrow, meaning the price of Bitcoin is never stable. When the price of Bitcoin was very low in the past, did anyone imagine that the price of Bitcoin could increase so much?
At that time, many people might not have invested in Bitcoin because they thought the price of Bitcoin was too high.Likewise, those who think that the price of Bitcoin is very high in the market right now will regret don't investing in Bitcoin later.

Many Bitcoin analysts and many Bitcoin investors have commented that the price of Bitcoin will increase much more in the future. So no matter how high the price of Bitcoin is, buy according to your ability, if you buy even a small amount regularly, it will also be added to your investment portfolio and one day it will be large.
In investing in bitcoin we need confidence in ourselves, never listen to uncertain words about the analysis circulating on social media, they just say it and it is not certain that it will happen.

For example, you invest with your own money, you are the one who determines when to buy and you are the one who decides all decisions, not other people.

I think, if we are still in the accumulation stage, then just make regular purchases while approaching bitcoin.

Also learn how to organize good management in managing your cash flow in investing.
Not only belief, the most important thing in investing in Bitcoin is to have strong belief and you feel confident that Bitcoin will give you long-term profits because we see its track record and it is proof that Bitcoin will give you big profits in the long term.
Plant your belief before starting it and prepare patience in running it because both are very important things that will make you strong as long as you invest in Bitcoin without caring about other people or anything that will not change your belief, and even though the price of Bitcoin is very expensive, it does not mean that it will make you feel confused because you can buy Bitcoin according to your ability periodically and this will make your Bitcoin big in the long term.
You can have all the believe that bitcoin will do well in the future that's good. But you must also make sure that you have everything else that's need in order for your bitcoin to survive and see that future you are talking about. It is not enough to have just have believe alone when it comes to bitcoin investment, if truly you want to successfully hold your bitcoin for a long time. Some one can have believe that bitcoin will get to certain amount in 10 years time, but if he fails to put the necessary things in place that will help him hold his bitcoin for that 10 years, he won't profit from that price increase. While someone else can just casually buy bitcoin without even having much of belief in it.

Probably he was talked into buying it by a friend or relative, but he has kept everything in place that will help him hold his bitcoin successfully for the next 10 years. The person without believe will be the person that will profit from the bitcoin price increase because he has managed to hold till that number of years and above. With the help of everything that he has put in place, like the emergency funds, reserved funds and so on. At the end of the day it's not all about believing alone, it's all about who is more prepared and following the required steps needed to successfully hold your bitcoin for the desired number of years. Investors should know that faith without work is death.

Absolutely truth there's no room of using believe as forerunner over Bitcoin investment I see believe as subordinate to preparation just as justbillywitt has stated, one might have believe in the future of Bitcoin but lack preparation of holding to the required years and the believe will cut short, what kills believe is doubt and lack of preparation in holding Bitcoin is the same as doubt because it will definitely result to not achieving the required target to which your believe is been centered I concord that preparation is a vital key.
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December 30, 2024, 07:21:41 AM
I think people who don't want to buy Bitcoin right now because of the high price of Bitcoin will probably take a step back from investing in Bitcoin. The price of Bitcoin will be the same today and the price of Bitcoin will be different tomorrow, meaning the price of Bitcoin is never stable. When the price of Bitcoin was very low in the past, did anyone imagine that the price of Bitcoin could increase so much?
At that time, many people might not have invested in Bitcoin because they thought the price of Bitcoin was too high.Likewise, those who think that the price of Bitcoin is very high in the market right now will regret don't investing in Bitcoin later.

Many Bitcoin analysts and many Bitcoin investors have commented that the price of Bitcoin will increase much more in the future. So no matter how high the price of Bitcoin is, buy according to your ability, if you buy even a small amount regularly, it will also be added to your investment portfolio and one day it will be large.
In investing in bitcoin we need confidence in ourselves, never listen to uncertain words about the analysis circulating on social media, they just say it and it is not certain that it will happen.

For example, you invest with your own money, you are the one who determines when to buy and you are the one who decides all decisions, not other people.

I think, if we are still in the accumulation stage, then just make regular purchases while approaching bitcoin.

Also learn how to organize good management in managing your cash flow in investing.
Not only belief, the most important thing in investing in Bitcoin is to have strong belief and you feel confident that Bitcoin will give you long-term profits because we see its track record and it is proof that Bitcoin will give you big profits in the long term.
Plant your belief before starting it and prepare patience in running it because both are very important things that will make you strong as long as you invest in Bitcoin without caring about other people or anything that will not change your belief, and even though the price of Bitcoin is very expensive, it does not mean that it will make you feel confused because you can buy Bitcoin according to your ability periodically and this will make your Bitcoin big in the long term.
You can have all the believe that bitcoin will do well in the future that's good. But you must also make sure that you have everything else that's need in order for your bitcoin to survive and see that future you are talking about. It is not enough to have just have believe alone when it comes to bitcoin investment, if truly you want to successfully hold your bitcoin for a long time. Some one can have believe that bitcoin will get to certain amount in 10 years time, but if he fails to put the necessary things in place that will help him hold his bitcoin for that 10 years, he won't profit from that price increase. While someone else can just casually buy bitcoin without even having much of belief in it.

Probably he was talked into buying it by a friend or relative, but he has kept everything in place that will help him hold his bitcoin successfully for the next 10 years. The person without believe will be the person that will profit from the bitcoin price increase because he has managed to hold till that number of years and above. With the help of everything that he has put in place, like the emergency funds, reserved funds and so on. At the end of the day it's not all about believing alone, it's all about who is more prepared and following the required steps needed to successfully hold your bitcoin for the desired number of years. Investors should know that faith without work is death.
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December 30, 2024, 06:54:56 AM
The lesson I learned from the smart people in the forum, although they're probably not 100% conscious about the concept is that there are different "TYPES" of DIPs. There's the Bear Market BOTTOM DIP that you could take a much larger risk using most of your life savings, and there are the DIPs during the bull market that you could buy at "every DIP" if you have disposable income.

 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Currently we have the bull market's "Buy every DIP".

Yeah, the dips have a different mood to them, so to speak.
And we are in for the best dips out there before the 2025 starts ticking on us  Grin
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December 30, 2024, 06:33:50 AM
In investing in bitcoin we need confidence in ourselves, never listen to uncertain words about the analysis circulating on social media, they just say it and it is not certain that it will happen.

For example, you invest with your own money, you are the one who determines when to buy and you are the one who decides all decisions, not other people.

I think, if we are still in the accumulation stage, then just make regular purchases while approaching bitcoin.

Also learn how to organize good management in managing your cash flow in investing.

Bitcoin price is very uncertain and if we talk about predictions they are usually wrong in most cases. But positive side of Bitcoin is that it's price has enormously gone up in short duration. It's Bitcoin privilege that it has gone up to touch 100k$ in just 15 years since it was launched.

Why to follow rumours/FUD on social media when we have so much data available about Bitcoin. We can do study about Bitcoin our self and make decisions. There are tools that can tell you outcome of DCA (also Lump sum investment) in past for 1, 2, 3, 4 or any number of years.

One is in accumulation phase or not depends on how many Bitcoin he has. There is no standard guide that tells whether you have enough Bitcoins, this is something you have to figure out yourself.

Dips will always be there.
Corrections - too.
But Bitcoin will stay strong and push through all of those simply due to what it stands for and what it represents.
It already did it so many times and it won't stop there.


The lesson I learned from the smart people in the forum, although they're probably not 100% conscious about the concept is that there are different "TYPES" of DIPs. There's the Bear Market BOTTOM DIP that you could take a much larger risk using most of your life savings, and there are the DIPs during the bull market that you could buy at "every DIP" if you have disposable income.

 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Currently we have the bull market's "Buy every DIP".
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December 30, 2024, 06:22:28 AM
Hopefully we can attempt to maintain enough funds that we never have to tap into our emergency funds, and surely we know of people who seem to be having emergencies every month or every other month, and if we look more closely at why they are having their emergencies tends to be that they are not managing their cashflows well and/or they are not maintaining enough cash reserves, which like you suggest that the emergency funds should not be touched absent some kind of a real emergency, yet if someone puts themselves into a situation in which they do not have funds beyond their emergency fund, then they will end up tapping into their emergency fund way more frequently than they should be doing (especially if they were to have better cashflow management practices in which they have other funds to tap into based on variances that they might have in their income versus their expenses).   

The more known variances in discretionary income then the more justified a person is to keep larger amounts of back up funds to account for such already known variances.
I agree with you JJG, some emergencies people keep having over and over again aren't to be grouped under emergencies any longer since you're aware it keeps recurring, you'd have to add it to your expenditure budget and try being better at your cashflow management to make provision for such expenses even before it presents itself. When such expenses are periodic, then you dedicate a variance of reserve funds to it and can build that variance to entertain it twice so you're not immediately under pressure to rebuild that reserve fund immediately after attending to it.

Understanding yourself and your expenditure patterns would help you employ a good cashflow management pattern to take care of your constant expenses, then create various kinds of backup funds for periodic expenses and be able to reserve emergency funds for pure emergencies only while still remaining committed to your Bitcoin accumulation journey. Everything boils down to proper planning.
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December 30, 2024, 05:20:36 AM
In investing in bitcoin we need confidence in ourselves, never listen to uncertain words about the analysis circulating on social media, they just say it and it is not certain that it will happen.

For example, you invest with your own money, you are the one who determines when to buy and you are the one who decides all decisions, not other people.

I think, if we are still in the accumulation stage, then just make regular purchases while approaching bitcoin.

Also learn how to organize good management in managing your cash flow in investing.

Bitcoin price is very uncertain and if we talk about predictions they are usually wrong in most cases. But positive side of Bitcoin is that it's price has enormously gone up in short duration. It's Bitcoin privilege that it has gone up to touch 100k$ in just 15 years since it was launched.

Why to follow rumours/FUD on social media when we have so much data available about Bitcoin. We can do study about Bitcoin our self and make decisions. There are tools that can tell you outcome of DCA (also Lump sum investment) in past for 1, 2, 3, 4 or any number of years.

One is in accumulation phase or not depends on how many Bitcoin he has. There is no standard guide that tells whether you have enough Bitcoins, this is something you have to figure out yourself.

Dips will always be there.
Corrections - too.
But Bitcoin will stay strong and push through all of those simply due to what it stands for and what it represents.
It already did it so many times and it won't stop there.
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December 30, 2024, 04:16:43 AM
Maybe you seems to have forgotten different countries has different currency and all currency doesn't have same value, you may come from a country which currency is very encouraging while accumulating your Bitcoin and there are also people who's currency are not encouraging. Perhaps the word expensive shouldn't have been used but rather huge and then again, since you said Bitcoin is divisible that means whether it is expensive or huge it can still be afforded so the fact that I said it is expensive or rather huge doesn't mean one can not afford it but considering the currency or fiat of other countries it is really huge. This shouldn't be a bone of contention but anyone who wants to invest should really be serious about it and stop checking the price since they are not buying a whole of it at a time.
This is not a matter of currency value; you can still be in a country where the value of your currency is very low, like mine (NGN), and still be accumulating more than those who are living in countries where their currency is high, and even if you don't have money to be accumulating high, as long as you can still afford a little Bitcoin, it gives you the opportunity to buy as little as you can, and if your funds are very low that the person can't afford to buy any unit of Bitcoin, they should use their money to eat food and forget about investing in Bitcoin and spreading the news that it's expensive.
I do know that currency value affect the quantity of bitcoin an individual can get but this is really not much of a huge factor. For instance, someone in the US might be able to buy more bitcoin with their average monthly expenditure than someone living in a place like Nigeria will do with their average monthly expenditure. Similarly, what 1BTC will acquire for someone living in the US, even less than 0.5BTC will get it for someone living in Nigeria and some balance will still remain. In order words, average hourly pay for someone living in the US may be around $15/hr but that of someone working in Nigeria is less than $1. So, the higher the currency, the more costly things, the living expenses, the lower the income and by extension the lower the quantity of bitcoin the investor can get even though the purchasing power will always be similar to people living in other parts of the world.

What is paramount is for the individuals to plan his finances and acquire bitcoin base on their discretional income without bothering what someone else in other countries are doing. We must appreciate the peculiarity of our places of residence and act accordingly.
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December 30, 2024, 04:15:32 AM
Dude to be honest with you the price of Bitcoin now is really expensive even though it hasn't gotten to half of it's future value but currently now it is expensive and the people that sees it to be more and very expensive are people who don't understand the benefit of investing and holding, and some think they can't buy little by little because they don't have an idea. However, traders doesn't actually look at the price of Bitcoin or how expensive it is all they do is look at the market, carry out there analysis and suggest the possible result or the possible movement of the market. In as much as our income are not the same hence Bitcoin will continue to be expensive to some individual and not only to some individual but also to some investors.
You're also among those who consider bitcoin to be very expensive based on your explanation, but you can only consider it to be expensive if you do not truly know what it means to hold bitcoin, or that idea of picturing bitcoin to be expensive is based on comparing the past price of bitcoin to what it is currently; if you are calculating the missed opportunities that you could have used to accumulate and you missed those, then you will consider it to be expensive.

But since Bitcoin is divisible in nature, you can purchase a little unit of it with what you can afford, hold it, and the value will keep on appreciating over time. If someone keeps considering Bitcoin to be expensive, then they will never buy a single unit of it. Holders are the people who don't consider it expensive—not even traders.
Maybe you seems to have forgotten different countries has different currency and all currency doesn't have same value, you may come from a country which currency is very encouraging while accumulating your Bitcoin and there are also people who's currency are not encouraging. Perhaps the word expensive shouldn't have been used but rather huge and then again, since you said Bitcoin is divisible that means whether it is expensive or huge it can still be afforded so the fact that I said it is expensive or rather huge doesn't mean one can not afford it but considering the currency or fiat of other countries it is really huge. This shouldn't be a bone of contention but anyone who wants to invest should really be serious about it and stop checking the price since they are not buying a whole of it at a time.
This is not a matter of currency value; you can still be in a country where the value of your currency is very low, like mine (NGN), and still be accumulating more than those who are living in countries where their currency is high, and even if you don't have money to be accumulating high, as long as you can still afford a little Bitcoin, it gives you the opportunity to buy as little as you can, and if your funds are very low that the person can't afford to buy any unit of Bitcoin, they should use their money to eat food and forget about investing in Bitcoin and spreading the news that it's expensive.

I think I get your point and you are absolutely making sense currency value doesn't really matter in Bitcoin investment, some people who is using the naira (NGN) currency can be doing  well in their investment than some people who are using the Dollar ($) etc. however, I think this is a matter of interest, choice, determination etc and no matter how low a currency value is so long as an investor has the long term intention he or she will definitely make  it only if they are consistent and if they are patient enough to hold till that...
Bitcoin accumulation is not about currency but about the strength your cash inflow and your discretionary income. If you are from a poor country and the strength of your vash inflow is strong, you will accumulate more bitcoin easily as long as you are committed and dedicated to your bitcoin accumulation journey. If you have a weak cash inflow, you will still accumulate base on your own financial strength.

Some people living in a second world country income might not be as big as someone in a third world country because their financial engagement differs. The bottom line is that it's only your discretionary income that you can use to invest in bitcoin and not the kind of currency that you are using in your country. This is because our expenses and income differs from each other. If you don't have much discretionary income, cut down your expenses and look for a second means of job.
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December 30, 2024, 04:08:29 AM
I think people who don't want to buy Bitcoin right now because of the high price of Bitcoin will probably take a step back from investing in Bitcoin. The price of Bitcoin will be the same today and the price of Bitcoin will be different tomorrow, meaning the price of Bitcoin is never stable. When the price of Bitcoin was very low in the past, did anyone imagine that the price of Bitcoin could increase so much?
At that time, many people might not have invested in Bitcoin because they thought the price of Bitcoin was too high.Likewise, those who think that the price of Bitcoin is very high in the market right now will regret don't investing in Bitcoin later.

Many Bitcoin analysts and many Bitcoin investors have commented that the price of Bitcoin will increase much more in the future. So no matter how high the price of Bitcoin is, buy according to your ability, if you buy even a small amount regularly, it will also be added to your investment portfolio and one day it will be large.
In investing in bitcoin we need confidence in ourselves, never listen to uncertain words about the analysis circulating on social media, they just say it and it is not certain that it will happen.

For example, you invest with your own money, you are the one who determines when to buy and you are the one who decides all decisions, not other people.

I think, if we are still in the accumulation stage, then just make regular purchases while approaching bitcoin.

Also learn how to organize good management in managing your cash flow in investing.
Not only belief, the most important thing in investing in Bitcoin is to have strong belief and you feel confident that Bitcoin will give you long-term profits because we see its track record and it is proof that Bitcoin will give you big profits in the long term.
Plant your belief before starting it and prepare patience in running it because both are very important things that will make you strong as long as you invest in Bitcoin without caring about other people or anything that will not change your belief, and even though the price of Bitcoin is very expensive, it does not mean that it will make you feel confused because you can buy Bitcoin according to your ability periodically and this will make your Bitcoin big in the long term. However, you must also be able to manage your financial management and cash flow so that you can do it routinely and consistently without damaging your more important needs and this must be considered so that everything runs well and will run it calmly and successfully in the future.
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