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February 07, 2024, 06:01:44 PM
Experience could be one factor to facilitate one's decision to continue holding their investment, some people are easily moved with a slight increase in the price of Bitcoin and can as well be tempted not just new investors even those who had long stayed in the system and have not yet understand the power of long term holding, so it goes more with the mindset, we are clearly expected to open our mind and accept the fact that during our Bitcoin accumulation it is expected of us to generate the mindset of long term holding and abstain from unnecessary sell pressure.
An investor should have his mind on a long term investment plan, before he venture into investing in bitcoin. He can achieve this by having a bitcoin target as his goal, so that this will keep him more focus and consistent on his bitcoin accumulation. Since he has that on his mind, he will not think of selling when he sees a little profit from the price of bitcoin, because he has not reached his bitcoin target.

But when an investor does not have a bitcoin target and he is just investing, he might be entice by the little profit that he has made in his bitcoin investment and forget that he has plans to go on a long term investment, and he will see the little profit as something big to him, which might make him sell his investment thinking that it will be easy for him to buy back, killing his long term investing goal. This is why we need to set a bitcoin target to help us achieve our long term goal, by hodling and accumulating bitcoin using DCA method, and also lump sum when we have the opportunity to buy at the dip.
Itt is highly expected as an investor but still unfortunate on how most people still deviate from the long term approach and settle down for a short term investment. Lack of patience means minimizing the amount of profit to be made from investing, it is always ideal to take the holding step and approach, many have tried the system and it worked perfectly.

Any investor who begins his accumulation without setting a budget is prone to all what you have mentioned. We should also understand that the budget being set should not be the limit to our investment, after beating the budget it is also ideal to extend further and keep accumulating but now it can be taken in a more stable manner.
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February 07, 2024, 05:59:42 PM
I don't know if the DCA method can be calculated in terms of the Bitcoin quantity because what I do know is that it is based on dollar amount that is why it is called dollar-cost averaging. If an investor decides to buy a fixed quantity of Bitcoin per time irrespective of price fluctuations, that is possible and achievable as it may be that he would have set a target to achieve in terms of Bitcoin quantity. For instance, someone can set a target of owning 1BTC before his 20th birthday and may decide to be accumulating 0.01BTC weekly or monthly as the case may be. As expected, he would have made adequate financial preparations for this, bearing in mind that while following his plans he will also pay his bills and also set up some reserve funds. I do not see anything wrong with setting such personal targets neither does it mean that he would not have factored in price fluctuations in his planning.

I look forward to seeing what others will have to say about such plans, if it qualifies as DCA or something similar to it. I'm with my pen and my note, time to learn something new.


For me I really don't think an investor can be able to buy a fixed quantity of Bitcoin within a stipulated time interval reason being that the price of Bitcoin might keep soaring higher thereby he can't afford buying same quantity of Bitcoin as the previous one he bought while the price was lesser and moreover, just like your illustration about if a investor wants to achieve 1BTC on his 20th birthday and let's assume that the birthday would be in three years time and his DCA every week is like $1000 and from his speculation of the price of Bitcoin in that three years is like $150,000 and let's say in that 3 years the price of Bitcoin now reached $200,000 so definitely his DCA in that three years will amount $156,000 so you can see that he didn't meet up his targets of owning that 1 BTC on his birthday after his speculation 3 years back.
There is a saying that "the end justify the means", so when the end is known, there will always be means of actualizing it. You seems to sound with the tone that everyone investing in Bitcoin is so poor that they cannot afford to buy Bitcoin if the price makes x2 of the currency price. This is a wrong mindset because there are a lot of rich people investing in Bitcoin and such people can set their plans based on the quantity of Bitcoin they want to have accumulated at a certain time in the future. Some people can even set the target of  buying 1BTC per year as long as they live, to save the money for their children. These are possibilities that we cannot ignored thinking that everyone investing in Bitcoin is broke. You must understand that our purposes of investing in Bitcoin differs.

While some people are buying and holding Bitcoin as an escape from poverty, some are pushing some of their funds into Bitcoin as a hedge for their other businesses. Some are actually saving their retirement benefits in Bitcoin. We must appreciate our peculiarities as that itself is the beauty of life. What matter most is being able to invest in such a way that it will not give you pressures or discomfort.

Regardless of the fact that we're optimistic about the future but however, the future is not known as all we are doing is just taking the risk and expecting to join the billionaires if things goes in our direction, actually I don't have that mindset that people who are investing in Bitcoin are poor, moreover most of the highest investors are people that are wealthy but what i was only trying to clarify is that as time goes on that's how the price of Bitcoin keeps skyrocketing thereby anyone using the DCA and making speculations about having a certain quantity of Bitcoin at a particular time in the future may not really achieve that though making speculations are good because it helps to boost ones confidence spirit that you are almost at the verge of meeting up your desired accumulating amount but sometimes when we give time with which our investments would be matured enough it might make us to stop buying when we approach that target we had that's why I said it is better to keep buying and hodling regardless of if you've met your target or not.

Buying and hodling doesn't only stand as poverty alleviation for the poor people in the society but for all and sundry who wishes to venture into Bitcoin investment in other to accumulate the asset in their portfolio so that it can stand as a future income generation strategy for them maybe when they're are not too strong to work again and continue DCA.
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February 07, 2024, 04:44:08 PM
I might not be right on this, but hear my opinion and what I've learnt so far l,  I dont think the problem here is selling our bitcoin to get more bitcoin, but it should not be on our list of strategies as eaely investors, cause when we are trying to be smart about thigns and trying to take advantage of volatility
Well, you made your point  and it'sactuallya good one. Fine, it's  a strategy and we definitely have somepeople practicing this but it's  not a good one to be precise and thank God you know it's a gamble because volatile  market like Bitcoin  are not easily determined on a short term basis
You end it well  though!

Even if it is said to be a strategy and there are still those who use it but i don't think it will be too worth it because indeed if something like this is done i would say that it would be a trade not an investment and indeed trading and Investment cannot be equated in the end.

There are some strategies that are better than doing something risky like that because even though there are some conditions that require us to be more aggressive in doing something but that doesn't mean we have to sacrifice a big thing for a situation that we can't even control.
When bitcoin is sold then it is not ours and it would be unfortunate if indeed when selling and expecting a bigger decline it will backfire on themselves.
That is why we must have a good initial plan because when the decline arrives we can buy with the funds we have prepared beforehand instead of selling the bitcoin we already have.
let me come in with my own understanding concerning bitcoin investment and the threading of Bitcoin so the two things are very different but they have the same risk measure so in this aspect I will say that bitcoin investment is something that used to do with a risk and they trading of Bitcoin is also a risky measure,  so anything that concerns bitcoin is all about risk both the trading aspects and also investment aspects of bitcoin, the thing that's important in Bitcoin is to know exactly your objectives or what you want in bitcoin, so with that you can know your direction, but aspects of risk, everything about investment is all about risk and you most take a risk before you can become successful
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February 07, 2024, 04:06:15 PM
I might not be right on this, but hear my opinion and what I've learnt so far l,  I dont think the problem here is selling our bitcoin to get more bitcoin, but it should not be on our list of strategies as eaely investors, cause when we are trying to be smart about thigns and trying to take advantage of volatility
Well, you made your point  and it'sactuallya good one. Fine, it's  a strategy and we definitely have somepeople practicing this but it's  not a good one to be precise and thank God you know it's a gamble because volatile  market like Bitcoin  are not easily determined on a short term basis
You end it well  though!

Even if it is said to be a strategy and there are still those who use it but i don't think it will be too worth it because indeed if something like this is done i would say that it would be a trade not an investment and indeed trading and Investment cannot be equated in the end.

There are some strategies that are better than doing something risky like that because even though there are some conditions that require us to be more aggressive in doing something but that doesn't mean we have to sacrifice a big thing for a situation that we can't even control.
When bitcoin is sold then it is not ours and it would be unfortunate if indeed when selling and expecting a bigger decline it will backfire on themselves.
That is why we must have a good initial plan because when the decline arrives we can buy with the funds we have prepared beforehand instead of selling the bitcoin we already have.
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February 07, 2024, 03:57:31 PM
You are missing something here, the  the idea behind the DCA method was designed to meet the need of those investors who wants to owe bitcoin but don't have the money to finance their desired level of bitcoin holding at once.  
I don't agree with you, the dca strategy is a strategy that anyone can adopt regardless of their investment sizes, even individual with substantial capital benefits from it.
Putting it directly to you that the major aim of the dca method is to offer a structured and disciplined approach to navigating the unpredictable market condition for investors accumulating Bitcoin for long term purposes other enormous advantage of the dca are secondary . Therefore an investor can buy a fixed amount of Bitcoin weekly or monthly without disrupting his other needs depending on his financial capability and a well structured plan towards his investment, including making the availability of emergency and reserve funds and taking care of his personal needs.
I think you both actually got a point. At first what justybillywitt is trying to say is that most investors and not financially capable in purchasing a big quantities you of bitcoin (like 1 bitcoin and above) so inorder to meet up they would start practicing the DCA method to start accumulating the quantities they are capable of accumulating That period so as time goes on their portfolio will grow massively to that state of accumulating such large quantities of bitcoin without buying it ones. But another advantage sti attached to this DCA method during the process of using the DCA method in buying in different time or fixed time interval. You would end up accumulating bitcoin in different prices not like just buying ones in a fixed price at that moment. But in DCA method your buying prices varies either you buy when the price increase or dip. Most time when you buy at certain price and it's dip you won't be In much loss because of the different price you where accumulating. But in a scenario where market experience a dip and you buy the dip using DCA method and it dip again and you still  buy the dip with same method, so whenever market turn greens (rises) you would endup making huge profits than just buying ones that why still even though most people can afford more than one bitcoin they still exercise the DCA method to accumulate more in different prices.
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February 07, 2024, 02:40:21 PM

You are missing something here, the  the idea behind the DCA method was designed to meet the need of those investors who wants to owe bitcoin but don't have the money to finance their desired level of bitcoin holding at once. These are the low or medium class level of income earners who receive their money on a weekly or monthly basis. The DCA gave such investors the flexibility to own bitcoin without disrupting their daily financial needs in their lives. So if they are to buy at a fixed amount of money as they can afford let's say $50 or more weekly or monthly that will be okay with them. But if the idea was to be buying at fixed fraction of bitcoin weekly or monthly it will be difficult for them to meet up, and also it disrupt their other financial obligations in their lives.
How often do we see the dip? Mind you there is no general acceptable price level that is considered as dip. Dip is on individual satisfaction level.

Your making it sound  like DCA is a strategy that is used only by people without proper funds to buy bitcoin at once which is totally wrong, I can have enough funds to buy bitcoin and still decide to DCA because of the advantages it has over other strategies or preference, and we should not forget that we DCA to remove the panic and fear that comes with market volatility, not low budget, the only reason DCA has been said to be good for low income eaners is cause it allows them to split the total amount they should use to buy bitcoin at once into bits until they are able to aquire their desired bitcoin.

I can have up to 50k$ and I know I am fully able to purchase one whole bitcoin and decide to divide the money into 4 equal parts and buy Bitcoin, I can end up acquiring more bitcoin because of the volatility of the market and it becomes advantageous to me. And I also think another reason we prefer the DCA method is that, it supports holders more than any other strategy, cause if I had a dream to accumulate up to 10 bitcoins in 5 years and I had enough money to buy a whole bitcoin, i can chose to divide the money in parts and keep on buying in part so I could replenish the money and buy more, instead of just going for a lump sum at once.
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February 07, 2024, 02:16:50 PM
My fellow plebs, there's no need to argue or debate on what's the best Bitcoin buying strategy. We simply need to know that if we want to HODL, it should be done with the best asset that will continue to exist for many cycles. If you want to invest in commodities - invest in Gold, if it's in stocks - choose the best companies, but in cryptocurrencies? HODL Bitcoin. Cool
You wouldn't really blame people who talks alot about Bitcoin investment strategy, because in all investment you have listed above,either commodity, Gold, stock, companies or crypto currency. Bitcoin is still more advantageous over all. Bitcoin is limited in supply an has a huge market cap and market dominance which makes it to be more valuable than others. Let take for example Gold, gold Is a physical asset. Which is not limited in supply because people continue mining Gold almost everyday and  that will drastically reduce the value of gold or keep it stagnant. But bitcoin is limited in supply and hence it becomes preferable over Gold. because Bitcoin can be baught at ease online and can be sold at any given time compeard to gold which requires physical p2p. Looking at this graph you will see while Bitcoin is more preferable than Gold and why people talks about DCA and HODL all the time because the volatility is top notch and grow increasingly over time.


Though it might not be a new version, but want to graphically show you how Bitcoin is important and why you need to invest and hold for long.
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February 07, 2024, 02:01:11 PM
You are missing something here, the  the idea behind the DCA method was designed to meet the need of those investors who wants to owe bitcoin but don't have the money to finance their desired level of bitcoin holding at once.  
I don't agree with you, the dca strategy is a strategy that anyone can adopt regardless of their investment sizes, even individual with substantial capital benefits from it.
Putting it directly to you that the major aim of the dca method is to offer a structured and disciplined approach to navigating the unpredictable market condition for investors accumulating Bitcoin for long term purposes other enormous advantage of the dca are secondary . Therefore an investor can buy a fixed amount of Bitcoin weekly or monthly without disrupting his other needs depending on his financial capability and a well structured plan towards his investment, including making the availability of emergency and reserve funds and taking care of his personal needs.
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February 07, 2024, 02:00:16 PM
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Not all investors can afford to buy large part of Bitcoin or a fraction of bitcoin. Due to the high value of Bitcoin, many investors lost their purchasing power. But even a small investor tries to figure out how to grow his Bitcoin portfolio.
Investors are those who have a budget to invest. The categories are different, what makes the difference is the size of the budget they have. Investors with large budgets can buy large amounts (e.g. 1 bitcoin) and they can fill their baskets easily, while investors with small budgets can buy fractions of bitcoins (e.g. 0.001 and so on).

The high value of bitcoin is not a definite reason why an investor does not choose bitcoin in his investment portfolio. They have not lost purchasing power, but perhaps there is less interest or perhaps they are waiting for a dip. Basically they don't have to wait for the dip, meaning any of them can buy at any time as long as they know how the strategy works. This thread discusses those strategies, so they can afford them regardless of budget strength.

Many people try to buy bitcoin regularly with a certain portion of their income because they can predict the potential of bitcoin. We generally prefer to use the DCA method as it encourages us to invest stress-free. I can collect bitcoins at my own interest. Anytime there may be a problem where I can't collect bitcoins for a specific period of time, I may be able to re-use the opportunity later. DCA does not mean that I have to collect bitcoins compulsorily. However, for regular Bitcoin purchases, adopting this effective method would be significant for accumulating bitcoin or increasing bitcoin portfolio.
I agree from a strategic perspective, it's definitely good. Maintaining consistency and regularly buying bitcoins is not mandatory, but if you are able to do it then you will definitely have more bitcoins in your bag. It doesn't matter how you do it, as long as you can balance your expenses and budget the rest, then you're free to invest.
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February 07, 2024, 12:29:46 PM
I don't really think that buying a fix amount of Bitcoin when talking about DCA is proper because to my own understanding, if you really want to buy through the DCA method, then you have to buy with a fix amount of money, weekly or monthly irrespective of the current price of Bitcoin, but if you want to buy a fix amount of Bitcoin, them you might  spend more or less depending on the current price of Bitcoin, but the major challenge with this strategy is that you will be forced to tamper with you emergency fund that would have been for your upkeep till month ending when you are expecting money from another source.

I just believe that the DCA method is design for us to buy in a comfortable manner, not in away that will make us to start doing opportunity cost just to meet up to the target of buying a fix amount of Bitcoin.

Let's understand this DCA stuff, when you are DCAing it doesn't mean that you are stagnated or forced to continue investing the particular amount you have been investing, you can decide or be flexible enough to adjust or increase your investment as you desire it to be, so don't misunderstand this process, I must say that your perception about this strategy is wrong, as far as Bitcoin investment is still in existence DCA is one of the best strategy rolledout for everyone no matter your income to be involved in Bitcoin investment, no one is going to do any opportunity cost stuff to meet up for anything as you said, what everyone that's is involved in DCAing needs to do is, keep investing the amount that will be comfortable for you so that you wont go about trying to borrow or thinking about spending your emergency fund in other to satisfy your investment plan.
Not all investors can afford to buy large part of Bitcoin or a fraction of bitcoin. Due to the high value of Bitcoin, many investors lost their purchasing power. But even a small investor tries to figure out how to grow his Bitcoin portfolio. Many people try to buy bitcoin regularly with a certain portion of their income because they can predict the potential of bitcoin. We generally prefer to use the DCA method as it encourages us to invest stress-free. I can collect bitcoins at my own interest. Anytime there may be a problem where I can't collect bitcoins for a specific period of time, I may be able to re-use the opportunity later. DCA does not mean that I have to collect bitcoins compulsorily. However, for regular Bitcoin purchases, adopting this effective method would be significant for accumulating bitcoin or increasing bitcoin portfolio.
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February 07, 2024, 12:25:24 PM
Experience could be one factor to facilitate one's decision to continue holding their investment, some people are easily moved with a slight increase in the price of Bitcoin and can as well be tempted not just new investors even those who had long stayed in the system and have not yet understand the power of long term holding, so it goes more with the mindset, we are clearly expected to open our mind and accept the fact that during our Bitcoin accumulation it is expected of us to generate the mindset of long term holding and abstain from unnecessary sell pressure.
An investor should have his mind on a long term investment plan, before he venture into investing in bitcoin. He can achieve this by having a bitcoin target as his goal, so that this will keep him more focus and consistent on his bitcoin accumulation. Since he has that on his mind, he will not think of selling when he sees a little profit from the price of bitcoin, because he has not reached his bitcoin target.

But when an investor does not have a bitcoin target and he is just investing, he might be entice by the little profit that he has made in his bitcoin investment and forget that he has plans to go on a long term investment, and he will see the little profit as something big to him, which might make him sell his investment thinking that it will be easy for him to buy back, killing his long term investing goal. This is why we need to set a bitcoin target to help us achieve our long term goal, by hodling and accumulating bitcoin using DCA method, and also lump sum when we have the opportunity to buy at the dip.
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February 07, 2024, 11:47:33 AM
I don't really think that buying a fix amount of Bitcoin when talking about DCA is proper because to my own understanding, if you really want to buy through the DCA method, then you have to buy with a fix amount of money, weekly or monthly irrespective of the current price of Bitcoin, but if you want to buy a fix amount of Bitcoin, them you might  spend more or less depending on the current price of Bitcoin, but the major challenge with this strategy is that you will be forced to tamper with you emergency fund that would have been for your upkeep till month ending when you are expecting money from another source.
The truth is that is actually very difficult and challenging to  constantly buy a certain amount of Bitcoin on a weekly or monthly basis through DCA method reason been that the price of Bitcoin use to be very volatile and the possibility of meeting or buying at the same price as the previous week is not certain and perhaps it could be that the price has gone up way beyond the price of your last buy so perhaps that's were the ability to adjust to Bitcoin accumulation pattern comes in, so perhaps you can still accumulate with your normal weekly budget even if the amount of Bitcoin you will have will not be up to the last accumulation but however if you have other spare funds that doesn't have any budget for, then you can adjust the accumulation pattern a bit.

I don't agree with you guys, your most emphasis on price fluctuations are made upon upward trend whereas there can also be a downward trend of price fluctuations which will become more advantage to the investor who has decided to accumulate a certain quantity within a specific period of time. There is a prvoverb that says before a blind man says he is going to stone you he already had a stone in his possession. It shouldn't be seen that anyone venturing in to Bitcoin investment is poor there is still investors that can afford to buy Bitcoin even if the price makes x3 or more the current price that is an assumption based on if their is an upward trend in price fluctuation what about when there is a downward trend?
During the downward trend you buy with the money set aside for buying the dip. It is not about being poor or being rich. It is about the strategy that will give the highest level of profit and reduce loss. Every investors want minimize profit and reduce loss. That you are rich doesn't mean you shouldn't follow investment principles. When it comes to investments, you think of ways that are more profitable.

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In my own opinion I dont see any difficulty using the dca method in terms of accumulating Bitcoin on a particular quantity either weekly or monthly, before an investor will have this decision definitely he must have got all his plan worked out by making provisions for his personal needs emergency and reserve fund and also have factored in the price fluctuations as a principle factor of Bitcoin functionality. I think this whole thing is apparently and typically based on individual financial capability.
You are missing something here, the  the idea behind the DCA method was designed to meet the need of those investors who wants to owe bitcoin but don't have the money to finance their desired level of bitcoin holding at once. These are the low or medium class level of income earners who receive their money on a weekly or monthly basis. The DCA gave such investors the flexibility to own bitcoin without disrupting their daily financial needs in their lives. So if they are to buy at a fixed amount of money as they can afford let's say $50 or more weekly or monthly that will be okay with them. But if the idea was to be buying at fixed fraction of bitcoin weekly or monthly it will be difficult for them to meet up, and also it disrupt their other financial obligations in their lives.
How often do we see the dip? Mind you there is no general acceptable price level that is considered as dip. Dip is on individual satisfaction level.
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February 07, 2024, 10:53:16 AM
I might not be right on this, but hear my opinion and what I've learnt so far l,  I dont think the problem here is selling our bitcoin to get more bitcoin, but it should not be on our list of strategies as eaely investors, cause when we are trying to be smart about thigns and trying to take advantage of volatility
Well, you made your point  and it'sactuallya good one. Fine, it's  a strategy and we definitely have somepeople practicing this but it's  not a good one to be precise and thank God you know it's a gamble because volatile  market like Bitcoin  are not easily determined on a short term basis
You end it well  though!
 
But in general taking risk like this is not guaranteed to give us positive outcomes and at times we could end up buying even more than we sold. So it's good that everyone should be careful and also accept responsibility for any risk taken with their Bitcoin holdings.

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February 07, 2024, 10:28:55 AM

Maybe you will be able to figure out how to sell BTC in order to accumulate more BTC, yet it seems to me that in your earliest  years of BTC accumulation you should not even try selling BTC to try to accumulate more, and you should merely be using various kinds of buy strategies including DCA, buying on dips and lump sum buying.  The more BTC you accumulate the more options that you have, and the more BTC you accumulate, you can attempt to assess the status of your own BTC holdings (including how much they are in profits - presuming that they are in profits) and also how much they are worth compared to other kinds of investments (which also may well including your various currency/cash holdings) that you have.


Yes ! One shouldn't sell BTC to buy more BTC, fine  it might seem like a strategy but not a good one because we are dealing with future event and you might end up losing out of your BTC  which is opposite of what you are expecting .
However, there are good strategies out there and it has been listed by JayJuanGee and  what fits  the analogy of accumulating more btc without selling  most is buying  the dips as you don't have worry about the sell limit , you should just keep on buying the sell.

Thus, trying DCA  gives room to no worries  either the market is experiencing a dip or not, just keep on buying the fixed amount and you will start seeing some nice average results of your buying.

I might not be right on this, but hear my opinion and what I've learnt so far l,  I dont think the problem here is selling our bitcoin to get more bitcoin, but it should not be on our list of strategies as eaely investors, cause when we are trying to be smart about thigns and trying to take advantage of volatility and this is just like trading or doing short term investment gambke with our holdings, we should know that we are taking a risk with our bitcoin and since our major objective is to hold bitcoin. But if someone has built a stash of at least up to 4 years, then using a little percentage of his holdings to sell and aquire more isnt that bad.

But in general taking risk like this is not guaranteed to give us positive outcomes and at times we could end up buying even more than we sold. So it's good that everyone should be careful and also accept responsibility for any risk taken with their Bitcoin holdings.

And of course, guys can do whatever they like, yet if we are talking about various accumulation strategies in this thread, it can be a bit irritating when we see guys talking about strategies that seem to gravitate towards trading or even selling to accumulate more BTC, but then at the same time, they do not present the idea very well, and surely it seem to be off topic since even the topic of the thread does not say anything about selling and the idea of HODL in the context of this thread largely is suggesting the opposite... don't sell.  So then there is nothing wrong with having different opinions, even though the concept of trading or selling to accumulate seems to be off topic.. at least for guys who may admit that they are in the earliest of stages of their BTC accumulation journey..

so sometimes we do likely have to try to figure out whether guys really have long term intentions or if they are merely engaged in some kind of flipping practice or pursuing dollars, which seems to then result in trading rather than investing, even though there still might be profits involved, but not the kinds of profits that would come from both longer term holding or investing over a long period of time, and then the earliest purchased bitcoins will likely have higher levels of profits than the more recent purchased coins, yet it also seems that the longer and longer that we stay invested then we will be building and building the size of our BTC stash and the longer that we are in, then probably the more likely that we are going to have older coins that have gone up a lot in value.. perhaps both exponentially and having several compounding events.. and at least those are goals, even though they surely are not guaranteed and even along our bitcoin journey we are also likely going to experience a lot of volatility along the way and have strategies in place to deal with the likely to be near inevitable volatility without panicking.


Imagine a $7k price rise into the current $43k+ price of bitcoin making it $50k, a recent holder will be triggered)tempted to jump into selling to make dollar profit forgetting that the idea was initially to hold for a long long period accumulatively without tampering regardless of  the market price, but to an earliest holder such a price increase is next to nothing or less because he had seen many higher price increases in the past than what he's getting now and to him the holding target continues even after the next ATH. It will take a lot of discipline and determination to hold irrespective of what come may in price for a recent holder to find himself in the lines of holding for long as expected.


Your very right, the Temptation to sell is much higher with new investors than old investors, new investors can easily be swayed by little profits to sell their holdings, but I don't think this should stop anyone from continuing with their original plan even if they regret later, its normal for us to fail something in our journey, even many old investors would recall a time or two they messed around.

That's why the DCA method is good cause when you divide your allocations into bits and invest on intervals the pressure to sell would be lesser, and moreover I feel DCA also gives us a long term approach to investing, since our accumulation would only increase over time.
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Emergency funds savings set aside specifically to cover unexpected expenses or financial emergencies.These funds are typically taken process can be followed DCA.Financial experts often recommend having enough funds in an emergency fund to cover three to six months' worth of living expenses although the exact amount may vary depending on individual circumstances.

This funds in that they have set aside to provide financial stability and security at-least 10% or 15% BTC. It's are often used in a broader sense encompassing savings set aside for various purposes beyond just emergencies.Reserve funds may include savings for future large purchases, planning to expenses or to cover fluctuations in income or expenses and also can be used strategically to maintain financial health and stability over the long term.

Float can delay between when a check is written and when it clears from the issuer's account float effectively can provide opportunities for cash flow management and may allow individuals or businesses to earn interest or other benefits from the temporary use of funds.
emergency funds and reserve funds are savings set aside for financial stability and security with emergency funds specifically designated for unexpected expenses while float refers to the time delay in financial transactions. Each concept plays a role in ensuring financial health and stability in both personal and business finances.
To you (smelody), your quote took forever to scroll pass, it's not useful to quote the whole post instead you should just quote only the few lines you wish to elaborate on.

Although you're a newbie so it's understandable but you should take note henceforth.

Additionally, I guess you didn't get what exactly JayJuanGee was trying to say or you are probably omitting the point. I will buttress in order for you to understand.

There are some of us here in the process of accumulating Bitcoin we tend to see opportunities of selling out our bitcoins in order to accumulate more but this narrative of some is quite wrong. what JJG is trying to say is the idea is not all wrong but for most of us at this stage it's very inappropriate to practice such because we may not still be in the position to sell in order to accumulate more. At this very earliest stage of accumulation we shouldn't be thinking of selling to buy more except we have acquired some certain level of knowledge in the accumulation practice or even gotten a good stash of Bitcoin which might take some years to get to such level.

At the end what his saying is its best to practice buying the dips and hold which is the context of this thread, DCA which is buying bit by bit with some designated amount from your income that would probably never affect your daily cost of living, and Lump Sum buying than go into some strategy of buying to accumulate more that is more risky for this very early stage of accumulation of ours.
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February 07, 2024, 10:19:04 AM
I don't really think that buying a fix amount of Bitcoin when talking about DCA is proper because to my own understanding, if you really want to buy through the DCA method, then you have to buy with a fix amount of money, weekly or monthly irrespective of the current price of Bitcoin, but if you want to buy a fix amount of Bitcoin, them you might  spend more or less depending on the current price of Bitcoin, but the major challenge with this strategy is that you will be forced to tamper with you emergency fund that would have been for your upkeep till month ending when you are expecting money from another source.
I did not actually said that buying a fixed amount of Bitcoin at regular interval us the same thing as the DCA method. It was a pattern I imagined to be possible, hence the reason I took my stand on it and still left room for more contribution. I have stated before that we should not only view Bitcoin investment as something reserved for the poor because Bitcoin was not just created as a means of escape from poverty even though it has the potential of changing the financial status of investors.

We must understand that there are rich people who are heavily invested in Bitcoin. They can set their target on the amount of Bitcoin they want to achieve at a certain time or age and will continue buying certain amount weekly or monthly or even yearly to get to their target. They don't necessarily need to check the price because they can purchase it at any price as money was never the factor when they even started it.

As a matter of fact, I have even seen story of someone who targeted getting 0.5BTC to achieve before his graduation from the university. Although he did not buy fixed quantity of Bitcoin per time, rather he was buying with 20% of any money that enters his hands from the parents as a student. The price of Bitcoin was cheaper then so it was easy for him to achieve.

The point I'm making is that the method of buying might vary but the ultimate goal is to buy Bitcoin and hold.
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February 07, 2024, 10:10:42 AM
I don't really think that buying a fix amount of Bitcoin when talking about DCA is proper because to my own understanding, if you really want to buy through the DCA method, then you have to buy with a fix amount of money, weekly or monthly irrespective of the current price of Bitcoin, but if you want to buy a fix amount of Bitcoin, them you might  spend more or less depending on the current price of Bitcoin, but the major challenge with this strategy is that you will be forced to tamper with you emergency fund that would have been for your upkeep till month ending when you are expecting money from another source.

I just believe that the DCA method is design for us to buy in a comfortable manner, not in away that will make us to start doing opportunity cost just to meet up to the target of buying a fix amount of Bitcoin.

Let's understand this DCA stuff, when you are DCAing it doesn't mean that you are stagnated or forced to continue investing the particular amount you have been investing, you can decide or be flexible enough to adjust or increase your investment as you desire it to be, so don't misunderstand this process, I must say that your perception about this strategy is wrong, as far as Bitcoin investment is still in existence DCA is one of the best strategy rolledout for everyone no matter your income to be involved in Bitcoin investment, no one is going to do any opportunity cost stuff to meet up for anything as you said, what everyone that's is involved in DCAing needs to do is, keep investing the amount that will be comfortable for you so that you wont go about trying to borrow or thinking about spending your emergency fund in other to satisfy your investment plan.
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February 07, 2024, 09:22:10 AM
I don't really think that buying a fix amount of Bitcoin when talking about DCA is proper because to my own understanding, if you really want to buy through the DCA method, then you have to buy with a fix amount of money, weekly or monthly irrespective of the current price of Bitcoin, but if you want to buy a fix amount of Bitcoin, them you might  spend more or less depending on the current price of Bitcoin, but the major challenge with this strategy is that you will be forced to tamper with you emergency fund that would have been for your upkeep till month ending when you are expecting money from another source.
The truth is that is actually very difficult and challenging to  constantly buy a certain amount of Bitcoin on a weekly or monthly basis through DCA method reason been that the price of Bitcoin use to be very volatile and the possibility of meeting or buying at the same price as the previous week is not certain and perhaps it could be that the price has gone up way beyond the price of your last buy so perhaps that's were the ability to adjust to Bitcoin accumulation pattern comes in, so perhaps you can still accumulate with your normal weekly budget even if the amount of Bitcoin you will have will not be up to the last accumulation but however if you have other spare funds that doesn't have any budget for, then you can adjust the accumulation pattern a bit.
We should not be confused on this, before the beginning of every Bitcoin accumulation journey, one should first consider setting a budget planned on the bases of dollars amount or Bitcoin.

Secondly, determining at what regular interval that becomes appropriate for the accumulation due to availability of funds, it can be weekly, bi weekly or monthly.

After all this, the amount to be invested according to it's availability should be on a dollar value in a way It won't affect one's cost of living and not in a specific amount of Bitcoin due to it's volatility, purchasing in amount of Bitcoin will not be sufficient enough to get what has been budgeted if the price decides to keep depreciating because it will be bought on a lesser value.

And of course, guys can do whatever they like, yet if we are talking about various accumulation strategies in this thread, it can be a bit irritating when we see guys talking about strategies that seem to gravitate towards trading or even selling to accumulate more BTC, but then at the same time, they do not present the idea very well, and surely it seem to be off topic since even the topic of the thread does not say anything about selling and the idea of HODL in the context of this thread largely is suggesting the opposite... don't sell.  So then there is nothing wrong with having different opinions, even though the concept of trading or selling to accumulate seems to be off topic.. at least for guys who may admit that they are in the earliest of stages of their BTC accumulation journey..

so sometimes we do likely have to try to figure out whether guys really have long term intentions or if they are merely engaged in some kind of flipping practice or pursuing dollars, which seems to then result in trading rather than investing, even though there still might be profits involved, but not the kinds of profits that would come from both longer term holding or investing over a long period of time, and then the earliest purchased bitcoins will likely have higher levels of profits than the more recent purchased coins, yet it also seems that the longer and longer that we stay invested then we will be building and building the size of our BTC stash and the longer that we are in, then probably the more likely that we are going to have older coins that have gone up a lot in value.. perhaps both exponentially and having several compounding events.. and at least those are goals, even though they surely are not guaranteed and even along our bitcoin journey we are also likely going to experience a lot of volatility along the way and have strategies in place to deal with the likely to be near inevitable volatility without panicking.
from what you're saying you may agree with me that between the earliest stage bitcoin holders and the recent stage holders, the earliest stage bitcoin holders has the tendency to hold much more longer than they have even previously held compared to the recent bitcoin holders who have just gotten into the market and have little or no experience of certain ups and down in the market from what earliest holders must have experienced.

Imagine a $7k price rise into the current $43k+ price of bitcoin making it $50k, a recent holder will be triggered)tempted to jump into selling to make dollar profit forgetting that the idea was initially to hold for a long long period accumulatively without tampering regardless of  the market price, but to an earliest holder such a price increase is next to nothing or less because he had seen many higher price increases in the past than what he's getting now and to him the holding target continues even after the next ATH. It will take a lot of discipline and determination to hold irrespective of what come may in price for a recent holder to find himself in the lines of holding for long as expected.

Experience could be one factor to facilitate one's decision to continue holding their investment, some people are easily moved with a slight increase in the price of Bitcoin and can as well be tempted not just new investors even those who had long stayed in the system and have not yet understand the power of long term holding, so it goes more with the mindset, we are clearly expected to open our mind and accept the fact that during our Bitcoin accumulation it is expected of us to generate the mindset of long term holding and abstain from unnecessary sell pressure.
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February 07, 2024, 08:41:03 AM

Maybe you will be able to figure out how to sell BTC in order to accumulate more BTC, yet it seems to me that in your earliest  years of BTC accumulation you should not even try selling BTC to try to accumulate more, and you should merely be using various kinds of buy strategies including DCA, buying on dips and lump sum buying.  The more BTC you accumulate the more options that you have, and the more BTC you accumulate, you can attempt to assess the status of your own BTC holdings (including how much they are in profits - presuming that they are in profits) and also how much they are worth compared to other kinds of investments (which also may well including your various currency/cash holdings) that you have.


Yes ! One shouldn't sell BTC to buy more BTC, fine  it might seem like a strategy but not a good one because we are dealing with future event and you might end up losing out of your BTC  which is opposite of what you are expecting .
However, there are good strategies out there and it has been listed by JayJuanGee and  what fits  the analogy of accumulating more btc without selling  most is buying  the dips as you don't have worry about the sell limit , you should just keep on buying the sell.

Thus, trying DCA  gives room to no worries  either the market is experiencing a dip or not, just keep on buying the fixed amount and you will start seeing some nice average results of your buying.
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February 07, 2024, 08:07:57 AM
I don't really think that buying a fix amount of Bitcoin when talking about DCA is proper because to my own understanding, if you really want to buy through the DCA method, then you have to buy with a fix amount of money, weekly or monthly irrespective of the current price of Bitcoin, but if you want to buy a fix amount of Bitcoin, them you might  spend more or less depending on the current price of Bitcoin, but the major challenge with this strategy is that you will be forced to tamper with you emergency fund that would have been for your upkeep till month ending when you are expecting money from another source.
The truth is that is actually very difficult and challenging to  constantly buy a certain amount of Bitcoin on a weekly or monthly basis through DCA method reason been that the price of Bitcoin use to be very volatile and the possibility of meeting or buying at the same price as the previous week is not certain and perhaps it could be that the price has gone up way beyond the price of your last buy so perhaps that's were the ability to adjust to Bitcoin accumulation pattern comes in, so perhaps you can still accumulate with your normal weekly budget even if the amount of Bitcoin you will have will not be up to the last accumulation but however if you have other spare funds that doesn't have any budget for, then you can adjust the accumulation pattern a bit.
In my own opinion I dont see any difficulty using the dca method in terms of accumulating Bitcoin on a particular quantity either weekly or monthly, before an investor will have this decision definitely he must have got all his plan worked out by making provisions for his personal needs emergency and reserve fund and also have factored in the price fluctuations as a principle factor of Bitcoin functionality. I think this whole thing is apparently and typically based on individual financial capability.
It actually depends on your investment capital because if you think or believe that your portfolio is big enough to adjust to accumulating a certain amount weather the price of Bitcoin drops or increase fine you can do that but otherwise if your investment portfolio is not sufficient enough then stick to what your portfolio can afford because if you go more than that it will be considered as an aggressive investment and if you are not mindful you can get into trouble, perhaps that's one of the reasons why they advise investors of investing only with what they can afford and not what will affect them on the process.
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