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October 03, 2024, 07:16:04 AM

However, I am not buying Bitcoin now. The title of our topic indicates DIP, and I expect this bottom a little later, and I will buy more Bitcoin then.
How ever any body can choose to do what he/she  chooses to do as long as Bitcoin investment is concerned. But the first best time to accumulate Bitcoin was yesterday the second best time to accumulate is now because procastination can make you not to accumulate at all. What if you are waiting for Bitcoin to dip before accumulating and what if Bitcoin didn't dip at the moment you will see that you have missed out opportunity of accumulating Bitcoin when you should done that. Bitcoin as a volatile asset might not be able to dip when you expect it but instead keep on going high, the price of Bitcoin at the moment shouldn't stop you from accumulating Bitcoin for with the DCA strategy you can be able to accumulate Bitcoin regardless of the price either weekly or monthly and hodl for a longer time.
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October 03, 2024, 04:28:48 AM

We should be buying bitcoin now.

Navigating the world of bitcoin can be overwhelming especially for newcomers. The steep price tag is intimidating enough but when you factor in its rapid appreciation it's natural to wonder if bitcoin's value is truly sustainable.
Bitcoin value is really sustainable because bitcoin is not a pump and dump coin. Over the years we have seen bitcoin regain it's value even when the market goes down temporarily. And bitcoin has demonstrated this strength for more than a decade now. So I can say that bitcoin value is truly sustainable.

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Will it continue to rise or is it a bubble waiting to burst The conflicting narratives don't help - on one hand, bitcoin's hailed as a revolutionary investment, whil on the other, it's dismissed as a high-risk gamble.
Bitcoin don't have have a conflicting narrative, it is just people who don't understand bitcoin that are always painting a negative narratives about bitcoin. Bitcoin investment is not a gamble. It is those that invest in shit coins that are doing gambling with their money and not bitcoin investors.

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For those without a deep understanding of the space, it's tough to separate fact from fictio and the constant noise can be paralyzing. How do you make sense of it all and decide whether bitcoin's worth the investment?
Bitcoin is worth every penny invested in. With bitcoin gradually coming into the main stream, the real potential of bitcoin is about to fully unlock. There will only be 21 million bitcoin in circulation. Imagine where bitcoin price will be when the governments all over the world legalize bitcoin as a legal tender. And we are gradually seeing that coming into play. And with peoples desire for self custody over their finances and financial transactions and their disappointment with banks and fiat system, that's how I know that bitcoin investment is worth it. If you want to be successful in bitcoin investment, you have to keep your ears off any paralyzing noises as you call it. Instead of allowing those paralyzing noises to discourage you, use them as a motivation to acquire more bitcoins.
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October 03, 2024, 03:50:59 AM

Shower thought. If there was a person who would start a debate and tell me that Bitcoin's price today is "too high", I would argue back that, although Bitcoin's price might be "too high", it might also be mispriced towards the lower extreme of the cycle. The market hasn't truly priced in the Halving, AND the true nature of the Bitcoin spot ETF.

But we can see the proof of that in a simple chart. Research Gold ETF - when it started, then look at the Gold chart after
it started.


When Bitcoin was created some people didn't believe Bitcoin would grow this big in price so yes Bitcoin price is high but not too high,  


Surely part of the challenge for anyone, and maybe even moreso for a bitcoin newbie, is trying to figure out the extent to which BTC prices might be high or not.
 

The newbies.



I'm very confident that those people who sold at a $50,000 and lower price level will be the same people who will FOMO during the next major Bitcoin surge. But they will FOMO in for less units of Bitcoin because they will be forced to purchase at a higher price level. Although some of them might buy a shitcoin to chase Bitcoin's surge, merely a small amount of those people will actually chase it. - 90% of them will lose MORE in units of Bitcoin.

But I'm also confident that, like me, learning the hard way will turn some of them into Bitcoin HODLers.


Frequently, we learn best through experiences, and so some people take several times before they learn, and others learn more quickly.  Some folks sell, and some folks fail to buy, and some are waiting for more dip, and so maybe they can be buying BTC in the lower $60ks, and they may or may not get lucky if they are waiting for mid to lower $50ks, and folks who are brand new to bitcoin or maybe who have ONLY been in bitcoin for a year or two, if they have been ongoingly buying bitcoin, then they are likely going to be better off than those folks who are waiting for dips that may or may not happen.  


In my personal opinion, those people who are just starting to accumulate today should take this compression as an opportunity to DCA, but also pay attention in the new narrative that "World War III" is starting in the Middle East. THAT will probably give everyone another opportunity to buy lower than $60,000, perhaps lower than $50,000?

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Of course, BTC prices have been largely going up for the past two years, so they might have a false sense that we are at or near a top, which does seem to be problematic thinking even though we cannot guarantee $100k or more in this year or even in 2025, yet it still seems that newbies are going to be better off if they either start stacking if they have not been or to continue stacking if they have ONLY been building their BTC stash in the last couple years, unless they were able to front load their investment to reach their investment target.  The circumstances of longer term investors might be more complicated, especially if we might have had been into bitcoin for more than a whole cycle. Some are still buying regularly and ongoingly, others are buying on the dip, but some need a certain amount of dip before they buy more.


Bitcoin has been in compression since March, the expansion that I'm most confident will come, will be unbelievable for newbies.
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October 03, 2024, 03:38:21 AM
I don't think there is a connection between network fees and accumulation of Bitcoin so network fee shouldn't be a problem that would hold you back from investing on Bitcoin because there is no fee associated during your Bitcoin accumulation, so all you just need is to invest on your weekly target, however I have not heard were any fees would prevent someone from there persistent accumulation of Bitcoin, so possibly you can clarify me on the connection the fees has against your Bitcoin accumulation.

Usually it won't affect but there were times when ordinals paying fees and almost stalled actual Bitcoin for a month and forced them to pay like huge amount let's say 500-1000sat/vb and in that case it definitely affected people from transacting and let's say if someone is investing $50 or $100 every week they would hesitate at that moment or they have to trust the exchange by holding it there which is not recommended since exchange is prone to hacks at anytime.

So that might affected in a way but things back to normalise almost since the Q2 and there's no signs that those kind of spam attack is possible since the hype around ordinals faded away which means it can't be a problem anymore.

Unless he was talking about the withdrawal fees from the exchange which always 5x or even higher than the fee needed depends on the exchanges.
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October 03, 2024, 03:13:49 AM
what we're all aiming for Bitcoin. We want to have more BTCs during the bull run and have it sold, not all of it at a better price.
Selling all isn't a wise decision because in the next years to come, the price of it will be higher.

Actually it seems you are the only one who is aiming to have some Bitcoin and sell it because nobody is using that kind of strategy here and our aim on Bitcoin is to keep accumulating till we get to our "Fuck you status" Just as JayJuanGee explained, And I would advise you to also do the same because with this kind of strategy you are talking about there is no different between you and traders, so you should no that accumulating and holding does not prevent your portfolio to increase as the Bitcoin price increases, so don't feel that your investment or rather portfolio will be stagnant, of course it will keep appreciating as you continue but that doesn't mean that you will be tempted to think about selling when you have not even have a sizeable amounts on your portfolio


The fees are only becoming a problem when the network is being spammed. But so far, there's no signs of it and hopefully they won't appear anytime soon.

I don't think there is a connection between network fees and accumulation of Bitcoin so network fee shouldn't be a problem that would hold you back from investing on Bitcoin because there is no fee associated during your Bitcoin accumulation, so all you just need is to invest on your weekly target, however I have not heard were any fees would prevent someone from there persistent accumulation of Bitcoin, so possibly you can clarify me on the connection the fees has against your Bitcoin accumulation.
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October 03, 2024, 02:50:16 AM
Living on a single source of income is not bad, but not totally valid, it also depends on how much income the person gets by the end of the month or week, if the income is very high enough to sustain every vital needs and still to invest then nothing much to worry about. But, owning a second part of earning is also a good move for anyone who would love to control more funds.
Relying on one income is not a safe idea. No matter the amount that the source is able to make for us in a month or year, it is better to have another source because nothing lasts forever and not just last alone. From time to time there is competition from others, and there will be advancement and development in all niches, businesses, or industries. If that source gets closed or is experiencing difficulty, then that is when our other business or work will help us maintain balance until we are back in track.

Don't forget responsibilities increases with time. You might be single today and in the next few years you might be married with kids and still have extended families to watch out for some time. Imagine investing $200 of Bitcoin and expenses cost you $300 when you are single at a monthly income of $600. And you choose not to diversify or extend your source of income. When you get a family or a bigger responsibility your expensive might increase to $400 to $500 and now you will only have about $100 or less to investing Bitcoin. his is why diversification and sorting for other source  for more income is necessary.

You are using the term diversification wrongly, and you are trying to suggest that a guy needs more than once source of income or to increase his income if he feels that he wants to invest into bitcoin, especially if he ONLY has $100 of disposable/discretionary income... . that is his income after his expenses.

I don't even necessarily agree with your conclusion about the need for more than one job, yet I understand why you are saying that you want to have back up sources of income if one of your sources of income dries up. and that part makes sense.  Sure if guys have low skilled labor jobs then maybe they have to increase the quantity of their jobs, yet there can also be ways to increase skills and to increase income based on skills and/or experience and also to increase pay and job security based on marketable skills, yet surely it is understood that some locations have more job opportunities than others, so sometimes there can be challenges to increase income if job opportunities are not great in a certain area in which you are living or choosing to live (not that people can always change locations very easily, either).  

The term diversification tends to refer to the kinds of things that a guy invests into, and the number of things, and generally a guy who is first building his investment into bitcoin does not need to diversify into any other kinds of investments beyond bitcoin and cash until some time after he has built up his bitcoin and/or his cash.  Surely, people might feel a bit uncomfortable holding very much of their value in cash if the cash is not holding its value, so there can be those kinds of dilemmas too, yet emergency funds and various kinds of reserve funds usually should be very liquid.. meaning that they can b cashed out easily, and so many times people would hold their local currency, even though surely a lot of local currencies are ongoingly being debased.

Income and discretionary income are not the same thing, even though you might be describing something similar, but the concept of discretionary income is the amount of money that you have left after you account for your expenses.  It is more accurate to say that we are ONLY investing from our discretionary income rather than just presuming that two people with the same income are the same or presuming that merely if someone makes more money or less money that he is able to invest in bitcoin or not.  Sometimes people have discretionary expenses too, so if they cut some of their discretionary expenses, then they end up having greater discretionary income (more money available to buy bitcoin).  Of course a person who chooses to spend 100% of his discretionary income on buying bitcoin is likely going to end up getting himself into trouble due to miscalculation of his expenses or even sometimes realizing that he needs or wants thing, so sometimes even within discretionary income there could be things that a guy wants to be able to buy from time to time or to prepare for some extra discretionary expenses through the month like going out to eat, drink or go to a movie. and so if he has spent all of his discretionary income on bitcoin, he might create some worse existence and stress for himself and perhaps even get into a position that he ends up having to draw from his bitcoin because he did not lessen his level of BTC buying aggressiveness.
Income and discretionary income can be very confusing to most people, especially to those who don't have a fixed salary coming at the end of the month.

They are still both existing concepts, and if your income is irregular then you are going to have more challenges to calculate it, whether you get jobs that pay by the job, pay by the hour, pay by the day or surely having fixed salary jobs bring more security, yet you still have to work with what you got, and if you cannot figure out ways to make sure that your income is consistently greater than your expenses (the left over part is discretionary income), then you should not be investing into bitcoin.  So in order to actually invest rather than to trade or gamble, you have to make sure that you are able to get extra income.. .and if you cannot consistently receive pay for several months, then you probably have to save whatever pay that you have for if your pay ends up drying up... So, in those kinds of circumstances, you might not have enough security and/or confidence to be able to set aside money for 4-10 years or longer which is what it required to be investing into bitcoin rather than either trading it or gambling with it.. and personally, I don't recommend trading and/or gambling with bitcoin... even though surely people do do those kinds of things with their bitcoin purchases.

The concern is that if a person gets a monthly salary, it is easy to identify a discretionary income after removing the rest money for expenses in that month. But imagine a case where one has a skill and gets paid based on when he finishes his job, or the task given to him. This means at most it is difficult to completely manage and know what the overall income and the discretionary income are.

You still have to figure it out.  You have to deal with the situation that you have in terms of how certain you are to continue to get various jobs and to receive income on an ongoing basis, so if you never can build up extra income beyond your expenses, then you probably should not be investing into bitcoin since you are likely going to need that money in less than 4 years.

You have to either increase your income or reduce your expenses or both in order to be able to buy bitcoin and to be able to hold it for 4 years or more.. and really you should be thinking about investing to be 10 years to 20 years or more rather than just 4 years, unless you happen to be elderly with a shorter timeline.

Since his money can come anytime within the months and part by part based on the jobs and offers, he has that month. Such a person may find it hard to know the right percentage to use for the purchase of Bitcoin.

A person who is in such a situation that he really does not know, then he might have to wait until all of his income for the whole month comes in before he allocates whatever portion that he considers to be extra towards bitcoin, yet if he cannot consistently continue to earn income each month, then he cannot buy bitcoin one month if he might not even have any income the next month... so the guy has to have gained a certain level of confidence that he is going to continue to be able to bring in income if he is going to be buying bitcoin with any excess income that he has brought in any given month.

I agree that certain kinds of work and certain kinds of income are less secure than other kinds of income and work, so if you are going to be stuck doing those kinds of shitty jobs all of your life, then you may well have challenges in terms of building up your income to a confident enough of a level to be able to buy bitcoin.  Guys do frequently figure out how (or work on ways) to increase their employment and/or their income opportunities, which might be required for guys who are wanting to invest into bitcoin.

I see people in those positions when they calculate how much they made that month. For instance, it could be $2000 and what is left as discretionary income is $200. This is a huge issue for new or old investors.

Surely some folks might have a lot of expenses and sometimes they might have difficulties reducing their expenses, since perhaps some expenses might even relate to being able to keep the job or income that you have, and so surely their can be challenges to increase income and/or to reduce expenses in order to actually have confidence that the remaining portion is discretionary income that can be used to buy bitcoin... and you may well only want to buy bitcoin with a portion of your discretionary income since you might have mistaken your income or your expenses or your income might go down and your expenses might go up.

It is impulsive spending and improper records.

Those are disciplinary things that can be improved upon.  I would not consider those kinds of things to be problems, since people can get better at those kinds of discipline and organizing kinds of things.

For those persons who fall under this category, the need for becoming better should be put in place.

Isn't that part of the reason that we spend times in forums like this to learn those kinds of ideas?  Also we might have to spend time with our own papers and planning - whether we plan using papers or if we have computers and cell phones to help us to plan... We still might want to project out our income and expenses, and I frequently llke to do that for several months into the future, and the more complicated your income, expenses and/or investments, then the more you might be advantaged by projecting your income and expenses out into the future, such as using Excel and projecting out 2 years. .Of course, each of the closer months are going to be more important and more specific since those expenses have to be covered in a short period of time, as compared with the income and expenses further out is going to tend to be more general, and the further out time periods might have to be based on pure estimations if you do not have much if any job security.  Surely there is value in having job security, yet surely there is variation in job security too.. so a person might get a job that is fairly secure for 3-6 months, but there might not be a lot of assurance regarding what the income might be after those 3-6 months, so there may need to be some estimation regarding what they next jobs might be, and so I am not suggesting that everyone is in a similar situation, and surely guys have to try to adapt to their situation, and if they know that they have issues with lack of confidence in their income then they might need to try to figure out if there might be ways that they can improve the assuredness of their income.

Cutting down unnecessary spending and staying on a schedule will tend to harness the difficulties. I was concerned to talk about it because I have been in that position before and out of it, but many are still finding it hard to identify or differentiate possible income from discretionary income.

Sure, it is a real problem that some guys have and sure, they might have difficulties getting out of situations where they have problems with their income and/or their expenses... and if they cannot figure out ways to make sure that they have more income than their expenses (discretionary income) then they probably should not be buying bitcoin unless they can get to such a income status that is sufficiently greater than their expenses.  The world is not fair in terms of starting points that guys have, and some things can be improved such as organizing and discipline, but other things might be more challenging if some guys might have physical and./or mental handicaps  or even difficulties in their geography to improve their income or to reduce their expenses.

Sometimes folks who are really young, they go through challenging times, but they are able to work their way into better opportunties, whether it is through jobs and experience, or perhaps technical training or university education, and guys likely need to figure out if they are able to work their way into improving their situation or if they might have too many obstacles and they are not really able to increase their income or to decrease their expenses.... and if they cannot figure out some ways of determining that they have discretionary income then they might not be served by investing into bitcoin, since their situation does not have anything extra to invest.

As for fees, it's not a problem, but as you said, sometimes it's really annoying.
The fees are only becoming a problem when the network is being spammed. But so far, there's no signs of it and hopefully they won't appear anytime soon.

Guys should continue to be prepared for fluctuations in fees, so they should not presume that fees are always going to be low, and so they should be attempting to engage in their own UTXO management skills in order to not have a bunch of low value UTXOs that might become unspendable in the future or even cause you to believe that you have more value than you do.

For example, a guy with 0.5 BTC in 5 or 20 UTXOs  (and perhaps no UTXOS less than 0.002 BTC is likely going to be way better off than a guy who might have the same quantity of BTC in 100 UTXOs.. including if the guy has many UTXOs that are less than 0.002 BTC.  Sure the lower value UTXOs are still spendable, yet there might be times in the future where they might not be economical to spend unless they are kept in a certain way.. perhaps on lightning network or held on a custodian (though we are trying to discourage keeping too much value with third party custodians). .. even worse if you might have a bunch of UTXOs that are less than 0.001 BTC.. .. and sure no problem if you have a few that fall into that category, but if you believe that you have 0.5 BTC but they are all in transactions that are less than 0.001 BTC and even less than 0.002 BTC, you might find yourself in quite a bad situation in the future in which you do not have as much wealth as you thought that you had.  Newbies might not know about UTXO management, and you could end up getting screwed by your own lack of knowledge and your presumptions in regards to how to manage your UTXOs - if you might not even know what a UTXO is and how to manage them, besides just holding your coins with 3rd party custodians.

When you receive your salary monthly and you decide to remove the one for Bitcoin and then divide it so you can then be using it to invest weekly there's a high tendency that you may even use it for another thing with the hope of returning it which may never happen there by reducing your accumulation percentage for the month.
There is what they called discretionary fund, this is actually the funds that would be left after you must have done all your expenses and there are no more other things that will disturb you then you can use it for your accumulation of Bitcoin, so at this point I see no reason why you should use the funds you had budgeted on your DCA accumulation for another thing with the hope of returning it back because that shows that you are not discipline because an investors who have a goal to achieve on Bitcoin will enever allow anything to hamper there weekly accumulation.
I agree with you because there's such thing as emergency funds and then there's another called discretionary funds. An emergency fund is a cash cushion you build up for yourself to handle sudden life changes or demands that comes your way and it is very much advisable to build up your emergency funds to a reasonable extent before thinking of investing in Bitcoin so that your discretionary income isn't under any form of threat while your DCA accumulation is in progress.

No matter how you want and spread out your accumulation periods in order to possibly mitigate the volatility in the price of Bitcoin, any emergencies you've or concerns should be handled by your already set aside emergency funds and should have nothing to do with your discretionary income used for DCA accumulation.

You express these ideas in a confusing way DubemIfedigbo001.

Discretionary income is the excess income that you have after you account for expenses.

Emergency funds can be built up over time, and it tends to get built up from discretionary income.

Most likely you want to set up all of your cashflow management so that you never have to touch emergency funds absent an actual emergency, so guys could go 20-30-40 years and never touch their emergency funds because they never get to such a bad situation that they are all the way down to their last funds... so yeah, if you use your emergency funds you likely have to build them back up as soon as possible, and guys should figure out how to balance out these kinds of matters, yet it seems that an experienced investor (or someone who has been managing his cashflow well for a long time) will have good systems in place, and newbie investors are likely going to have more challenges to both build up their emergency fund and their other forms of back up funds, so they might have more tendencies to make mistakes or not have enough or to gamble with their money that they thought that they were investing...

so there can be challenges in building up the various kinds of funds and also to get used to using them effectively, and probably feeling quite rich when the various kinds of back up funds are in place, and hopefully feeling even richer if their cashflow management is balanced out with an ongoing building and growing of a BTC investment along the way.

If you receive salary monthly and you think by dividing the money you have set aside for your Bitcoin accumulation into weeks will earn you more Bitcoin through the hope that there will be a dip within the week were you can buy at low price then you are just a trader.
Have you thought of you dividing it and in the course of you buying weekly with the money met for the month and Bitcoin price goes up will you wait for it to come down before you buy or you will still go ahead and buy, there's no need dividing it if you receives your salary monthly because there's no difference in the monthly and weekly accumulation except you are a trader who is waiting for a dip to happen

 as a short-term trader that will be a nice strategy but not for long-term investors, because waiting for the dip is not a smart move at all as a long-term investor , rather you purchase at anytime you have some money to spare that you can hold for long either by DCAing or lump-summing.

Because waiting for the dip will only slow one down , and IMO the when it comes to accumulating, whenever I divide my funds, I usually use 40\50 , so the 40 percentage Is my emergency funds while the remaining, is for accumulating, in order to cover some space but is not fixed though, because sometimes I can choose to set some percentage as reserve funds but I mainly focus on emergency and accumulating funds .
I don't  think that was what the OP really meant but it's related... just that the trading aspect should be completely ignored.OP is insinuating on buying strategy lumpsum compared to DCA for people earning monthly salary..
Firstly, OP need to know that  either you split your funds to get BTC weekly or you used it up monthly you're still using the DCA strategy... but weekly could be more efficient than monthly. Why?? Bitcoin movement perttern does not move in a single direction so having different entry within a month could be much better than having a single entry per month.
For example
I'm used to receiving paycheck of $3000/month and I decide to invest 70%on bitcoin  that's around 2100 or let's just say 2000
Let's say the price of bitcoin is at $64,000 the day you invest
I.e Monthly =>$64,000
Now if you try investing weekly you can different price entry of
$64k, $65k and maybe it dipped and you had the entry of $62 & 63
And with different entry you pulled in with 500bucks... which do you think will be more profitable.
Not saying that you can't take a monthly entry for your DCA though but with weekly you can pull in with some dip and even if there was no dip the price entries won't be too far from each other . Besides, every entry counts so far you're doing it within the intervals

Let's try to be more realistic with our example.  Sure there are guys who can choose to invest $500 per week or $2k per month, but more realistically we have guys who might ONLY have $50 to $500 per month to invest, and they might have uncertainties with their cashflow too.

I personally prefer weekly DCA for newbies in order to encourage active buying of BTC, yet weekly buying still might not work for everyone, and surely someone who has $2k per month extra is going to be in a more flexible position as compared with someone who might only have $500 per month or even $50 per month extra.. yet decisions about whether to actively invest every week or every month is not ONLY based on their cashflow, yet when the amounts get to be really small, there can also be some issues with fees too.

A person who is brand new to BTC investing, might want to spend time paying more attention to his bitcoin purchases, yet if the guy has already been buying for a year or two, he might  want to spend less time learning about bitcoin or paying attention to bitcoin. There are also some guys who might want to set up automatic DCA, which might mean that they don't want to spend a lot of time thinking about their BTC purchases.  I would still think it is better to set up their DCA purchases weekly, especially if they are automatic, yet I also like the idea of manual DCA, even though like I mentioned some folks don't want to be interacting with their BTC on a manual basis, which is also fine.

Shower thought. If there was a person who would start a debate and tell me that Bitcoin's price today is "too high", I would argue back that, although Bitcoin's price might be "too high", it might also be mispriced towards the lower extreme of the cycle. The market hasn't truly priced in the Halving, AND the true nature of the Bitcoin spot ETF.

But we can see the proof of that in a simple chart. Research Gold ETF - when it started, then look at the Gold chart after it started.
When Bitcoin was created some people didn't believe Bitcoin would grow this big in price so yes Bitcoin price is high but not too high,  
Surely part of the challenge for anyone, and maybe even moreso for a bitcoin newbie, is trying to figure out the extent to which BTC prices might be high or not.  In several senses, bitcoin prices seem high to newbies not only in terms of the price of one bitcoin (the unit value if not looking at satoshis), but also describing bitcoin in terms of how much it has appreciated does not necessarily inspire confidence that it is going to continue to appreciate - especially for someone who is just looking at bitcoin at a superficial level and also someone who is not very well informed about bitcoin might be buying into some of the negative bitcoin talking points, so if they don't know much about bitcoin and they might be getting confronted with conflicting narratives about bitcoin, then they have difficulties evaluating it.
We should be buying bitcoin now.

Navigating the world of bitcoin can be overwhelming especially for newcomers. The steep price tag is intimidating enough but when you factor in its rapid appreciation it's natural to wonder if bitcoin's value is truly sustainable. Will it continue to rise or is it a bubble waiting to burst The conflicting narratives don't help - on one hand, bitcoin's hailed as a revolutionary investment, whil on the other, it's dismissed as a high-risk gamble. For those without a deep understanding of the space, it's tough to separate fact from fictio and the constant noise can be paralyzing. How do you make sense of it all and decide whether bitcoin's worth the investment?

I think that all that you mentioned relates to how much to invest into bitcoin rather than whether to invest into bitcoin.  

So each person has to figure out how much he is going to invest into bitcoin.  Personally, I tend to recommend that BTC for a beginner bitcoin should be 5% to 25% of their quasi-liquid investment portfolio, and so they might need to build up to that.  If they are a brand new investment and they do not have any other investments, then they could build from their existing income, which might be an aim of 5% to 25% of their income put into bitcoin, and of course, I am assuming that they are using discretionary income, so they have to make sure that their expenses are accounted for prior to investing into bitcoin.. if they do not have discretionary income then they cannot invest into bitcoin until they either increase their income or reduce their expenses.

So yeah, choose the size of your investment into bitcoin based on your beliefs, and better to get started and build your bitcoin investment as soon as possible, while still being responsible for your own choices whether or not to invest and also if choosing to invest, then how much.  

If you are skeptical about bicoin then you invest on the lower end of the 5% to 25% range, and sure some folks are so skeptical that they choose to ONLY invest 1%, and that is their choice if they want to be whimpy about it.  They live with the consequences, either way.

If you have more confidence in bitcoin then you try to invest on the higher end of the range and more aggressively, and sure you can be studying bitcoin and learning along the way, too.  Anyone who invests should build up his cashflow management, and the stronger the cashflow management, such as the creation of an emergency fund and reserve funds, and the more aggressive a person can afford to be with his BTC investment, without over doing it.  

In the end, no one should be so aggressive in their bitcoin investment that they end up causing themselves to get forced out of the BTC investment because they were gambling rather than investing... so with that anyone investing into bitcoin should also have a 4-10 year or longer investment time horizon. young people likely might be considering bitcoin as a 30-40 year investment.. and so if they are in the early years of investing into bitcoin, it could take a while to build up the bitcoin holdings..

Shower thought. If there was a person who would start a debate and tell me that Bitcoin's price today is "too high", I would argue back that, although Bitcoin's price might be "too high", it might also be mispriced towards the lower extreme of the cycle. The market hasn't truly priced in the Halving, AND the true nature of the Bitcoin spot ETF.

But we can see the proof of that in a simple chart. Research Gold ETF - when it started, then look at the Gold chart after it started.
When Bitcoin was created some people didn't believe Bitcoin would grow this big in price so yes Bitcoin price is high but not too high,  
Surely part of the challenge for anyone, and maybe even moreso for a bitcoin newbie, is trying to figure out the extent to which BTC prices might be high or not.  
The newbies.

I'm very confident that those people who sold at a $50,000 and lower price level will be the same people who will FOMO during the next major Bitcoin surge. But they will FOMO in for less units of Bitcoin because they will be forced to purchase at a higher price level. Although some of them might buy a shitcoin to chase Bitcoin's surge, merely a small amount of those people will actually chase it. - 90% of them will lose MORE in units of Bitcoin.

But I'm also confident that, like me, learning the hard way will turn some of them into Bitcoin HODLers.

Frequently, we learn best through experiences, and so some people take several times before they learn, and others learn more quickly.  Some folks sell, and some folks fail to buy, and some are waiting for more dip, and so maybe they can be buying BTC in the lower $60ks, and they may or may not get lucky if they are waiting for mid to lower $50ks, and folks who are brand new to bitcoin or maybe who have ONLY been in bitcoin for a year or two, if they have been ongoingly buying bitcoin, then they are likely going to be better off than those folks who are waiting for dips that may or may not happen.  

Of course, BTC prices have been largely going up for the past two years, so they might have a false sense that we are at or near a top, which does seem to be problematic thinking even though we cannot guarantee $100k or more in this year or even in 2025, yet it still seems that newbies are going to be better off if they either start stacking if they have not been or to continue stacking if they have ONLY been building their BTC stash in the last couple years, unless they were able to front load their investment to reach their investment target.  The circumstances of longer term investors might be more complicated, especially if we might have had been into bitcoin for more than a whole cycle. Some are still buying regularly and ongoingly, others are buying on the dip, but some need a certain amount of dip before they buy more.

Shower thought. If there was a person who would start a debate and tell me that Bitcoin's price today is "too high", I would argue back that, although Bitcoin's price might be "too high", it might also be mispriced towards the lower extreme of the cycle. The market hasn't truly priced in the Halving, AND the true nature of the Bitcoin spot ETF.

But we can see the proof of that in a simple chart. Research Gold ETF - when it started, then look at the Gold chart after it started.
When Bitcoin was created some people didn't believe Bitcoin would grow this big in price so yes Bitcoin price is high but not too high, 
Surely part of the challenge for anyone, and maybe even moreso for a bitcoin newbie, is trying to figure out the extent to which BTC prices might be high or not.  In several senses, bitcoin prices seem high to newbies not only in terms of the price of one bitcoin (the unit value if not looking at satoshis), but also describing bitcoin in terms of how much it has appreciated does not necessarily inspire confidence that it is going to continue to appreciate - especially for someone who is just looking at bitcoin at a superficial level and also someone who is not very well informed about bitcoin might be buying into some of the negative bitcoin talking points, so if they don't know much about bitcoin and they might be getting confronted with conflicting narratives about bitcoin, then they have difficulties evaluating it.
We should be buying bitcoin now.

Navigating the world of bitcoin can be overwhelming especially for newcomers. The steep price tag is intimidating enough but when you factor in its rapid appreciation it's natural to wonder if bitcoin's value is truly sustainable. Will it continue to rise or is it a bubble waiting to burst The conflicting narratives don't help - on one hand, bitcoin's hailed as a revolutionary investment, whil on the other, it's dismissed as a high-risk gamble. For those without a deep understanding of the space, it's tough to separate fact from fictio and the constant noise can be paralyzing. How do you make sense of it all and decide whether bitcoin's worth the investment?
In the world of cryptocurrencies, it is very funny that this phenomenon is new in the world, and all the experience that we have in this area is unique and new. And it is cool! It is like we are pioneers. And it turns out that because of this, no one can predict anything in terms of the course of the Bitcoin price. Of course, you can compare attempts to guess the price of Bitcoin with stock trading, but I believe that these markets and their laws are not similar at all. Therefore, everyone buys for their own personal reasons and sells for them.

However, I am not buying Bitcoin now. The title of our topic indicates DIP, and I expect this bottom a little later, and I will buy more Bitcoin then.

First off, this thread is not about "cryptocurrencies," so you might not know the difference between bitcoin and shitcoins, since you seem to believe that we are talking about "cryptocurrencies" here.  At least you used the term bitcoin, so you are not afraid to use the proper word.

Second.  You have been registered on the forum for 6 months longer than me, so it could well be possible that you have already largely accomplished quite a bit of bitcoin accumulation in the past 11-ish years, so you may well have the luxury of waiting for dips that may or may not end up happening. I doubt that very many in this audience for this thread (or even in the world as a whole) are in a position to wait for dips that may or may not end up happening.  Most people in the world, including participating in this thread are still building their bitcoin stash, and many are even in their first whole cycle of building their stash, so it would be a bit presumptuous to even come close to assuming that members here have enough BTC.  I am not even sure if you do... but you can judge for yourself, especially if you have already been around the forum and presumptively bitcoin for 11-ish years.

Third.  It is funny that you have been in bitcoin for 11-ish years and you seem to take for granted that more dip could be coming from here.  I am not going to proclaim that there is not going to be a dip from here, but it seems quite problematic to presume dips to be coming when they might not come.
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Shower thought. If there was a person who would start a debate and tell me that Bitcoin's price today is "too high", I would argue back that, although Bitcoin's price might be "too high", it might also be mispriced towards the lower extreme of the cycle. The market hasn't truly priced in the Halving, AND the true nature of the Bitcoin spot ETF.

But we can see the proof of that in a simple chart. Research Gold ETF - when it started, then look at the Gold chart after it started.
When Bitcoin was created some people didn't believe Bitcoin would grow this big in price so yes Bitcoin price is high but not too high, 

Surely part of the challenge for anyone, and maybe even moreso for a bitcoin newbie, is trying to figure out the extent to which BTC prices might be high or not.  In several senses, bitcoin prices seem high to newbies not only in terms of the price of one bitcoin (the unit value if not looking at satoshis), but also describing bitcoin in terms of how much it has appreciated does not necessarily inspire confidence that it is going to continue to appreciate - especially for someone who is just looking at bitcoin at a superficial level and also someone who is not very well informed about bitcoin might be buying into some of the negative bitcoin talking points, so if they don't know much about bitcoin and they might be getting confronted with conflicting narratives about bitcoin, then they have difficulties evaluating it.
We should be buying bitcoin now.

Navigating the world of bitcoin can be overwhelming especially for newcomers. The steep price tag is intimidating enough but when you factor in its rapid appreciation it's natural to wonder if bitcoin's value is truly sustainable. Will it continue to rise or is it a bubble waiting to burst The conflicting narratives don't help - on one hand, bitcoin's hailed as a revolutionary investment, whil on the other, it's dismissed as a high-risk gamble. For those without a deep understanding of the space, it's tough to separate fact from fictio and the constant noise can be paralyzing. How do you make sense of it all and decide whether bitcoin's worth the investment?

In the world of cryptocurrencies, it is very funny that this phenomenon is new in the world, and all the experience that we have in this area is unique and new. And it is cool! It is like we are pioneers. And it turns out that because of this, no one can predict anything in terms of the course of the Bitcoin price. Of course, you can compare attempts to guess the price of Bitcoin with stock trading, but I believe that these markets and their laws are not similar at all. Therefore, everyone buys for their own personal reasons and sells for them.

However, I am not buying Bitcoin now. The title of our topic indicates DIP, and I expect this bottom a little later, and I will buy more Bitcoin then.
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Shower thought. If there was a person who would start a debate and tell me that Bitcoin's price today is "too high", I would argue back that, although Bitcoin's price might be "too high", it might also be mispriced towards the lower extreme of the cycle. The market hasn't truly priced in the Halving, AND the true nature of the Bitcoin spot ETF.

But we can see the proof of that in a simple chart. Research Gold ETF - when it started, then look at the Gold chart after it started.


When Bitcoin was created some people didn't believe Bitcoin would grow this big in price so yes Bitcoin price is high but not too high, 


Surely part of the challenge for anyone, and maybe even moreso for a bitcoin newbie, is trying to figure out the extent to which BTC prices might be high or not. 


The newbies.



I'm very confident that those people who sold at a $50,000 and lower price level will be the same people who will FOMO during the next major Bitcoin surge. But they will FOMO in for less units of Bitcoin because they will be forced to purchase at a higher price level. Although some of them might buy a shitcoin to chase Bitcoin's surge, merely a small amount of those people will actually chase it. - 90% of them will lose MORE in units of Bitcoin.

But I'm also confident that, like me, learning the hard way will turn some of them into Bitcoin HODLers.

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Shower thought. If there was a person who would start a debate and tell me that Bitcoin's price today is "too high", I would argue back that, although Bitcoin's price might be "too high", it might also be mispriced towards the lower extreme of the cycle. The market hasn't truly priced in the Halving, AND the true nature of the Bitcoin spot ETF.

But we can see the proof of that in a simple chart. Research Gold ETF - when it started, then look at the Gold chart after it started.
When Bitcoin was created some people didn't believe Bitcoin would grow this big in price so yes Bitcoin price is high but not too high, 

Surely part of the challenge for anyone, and maybe even moreso for a bitcoin newbie, is trying to figure out the extent to which BTC prices might be high or not.  In several senses, bitcoin prices seem high to newbies not only in terms of the price of one bitcoin (the unit value if not looking at satoshis), but also describing bitcoin in terms of how much it has appreciated does not necessarily inspire confidence that it is going to continue to appreciate - especially for someone who is just looking at bitcoin at a superficial level and also someone who is not very well informed about bitcoin might be buying into some of the negative bitcoin talking points, so if they don't know much about bitcoin and they might be getting confronted with conflicting narratives about bitcoin, then they have difficulties evaluating it.
We should be buying bitcoin now.

Navigating the world of bitcoin can be overwhelming especially for newcomers. The steep price tag is intimidating enough but when you factor in its rapid appreciation it's natural to wonder if bitcoin's value is truly sustainable. Will it continue to rise or is it a bubble waiting to burst The conflicting narratives don't help - on one hand, bitcoin's hailed as a revolutionary investment, whil on the other, it's dismissed as a high-risk gamble. For those without a deep understanding of the space, it's tough to separate fact from fictio and the constant noise can be paralyzing. How do you make sense of it all and decide whether bitcoin's worth the investment?
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October 02, 2024, 09:40:39 PM
I agree with you that the important thing in bitcoin investment is the amount of income you earn and also the amount of bitcoin you are able to accumulate from it,
It is not the amount of income that you earn will determine the amount of bitcoin that you will accumulate but it is the amunt of your discretionary income that will determine the amount of bitcoin you will be able to accumulate overtime if you invest with a focused and committed mindset.
Yeah I know where you are driving at, the aspect of the amount of income one earns will determine the amount of bitcoin to accumulate. Actually I was not the one that made the statement but I replied to what @Felicity_Tide said, and there is no much difference from what you are saying from mine. Discretion fund and or amount we earn from salary are not a seperate thing because without the amount someone earn from his place of work or anywhere he gets his fund from, he can't be able to have a discretion fund because there must be a place you earn money to invest in bitcoin and also have a discretion fund so both are thesame thing.

Income and discretionary income are not the same thing, even though you might be describing something similar, but the concept of discretionary income is the amount of money that you have left after you account for your expenses.  It is more accurate to say that we are ONLY investing from our discretionary income rather than just presuming that two people with the same income are the same or presuming that merely if someone makes more money or less money that he is able to invest in bitcoin or not.  Sometimes people have discretionary expenses too, so if they cut some of their discretionary expenses, then they end up having greater discretionary income (more money available to buy bitcoin).  Of course a person who chooses to spend 100% of his discretionary income on buying bitcoin is likely going to end up getting himself into trouble due to miscalculation of his expenses or even sometimes realizing that he needs or wants thing, so sometimes even within discretionary income there could be things that a guy wants to be able to buy from time to time or to prepare for some extra discretionary expenses through the month like going out to eat, drink or go to a movie. and so if he has spent all of his discretionary income on bitcoin, he might create some worse existence and stress for himself and perhaps even get into a position that he ends up having to draw from his bitcoin because he did not lessen his level of BTC buying aggressiveness.
You're totally right. There's a very huge distinction between the discretionary income and a person's income, but people often get confused and use the both concepts interchangeably, which is very wrong. While a person's income is the total amount the person usually earns at the end of the month, week or whatever interval it takes for the income to come in, the discretionary income is different from the actual income as it's what you've got left with you after covering majority of your essential expenses, and thus, this is what people should often use to invest in Bitcoin.

It's always important to make that distinction between the both concepts because two persons may actually have the same income but due to the differences in their expenses, priorities and preferences, their discretionary income may differ.
And since the discretionary income is what is often used for investment, it's important to note that, one should be able to adjust his discretionary expenses effectively, in order to free up funds to invest in Bitcoin.

But just as you've rightly pointed out, blowing one's entire discretionary income on Bitcoin could be seen as going overboard, due to life's unpredictability, unexpected events could come up at any given time, and it's important to create room and resources to weather these events whenever and if ever they come up, or maybe you just wanna take some time off to enjoy life a little, go for dinner or movies, etc.
Blowing one's entire discretionary income on investment can potentially lead one to financial stress, pushing them into tapping into their investment when the investment isn't even matured or at the desired status, well of course the person in question has a solid financial back up to weather such events.  But still, it's not advised to spend 100% of your discretionary income on investment, instead you could split the discretionary income between bitcoin accumulation and solidifying your financial back up even more.
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October 02, 2024, 07:13:53 PM
If you receive salary monthly and you think by dividing the money you have set aside for your Bitcoin accumulation into weeks will earn you more Bitcoin through the hope that there will be a dip within the week were you can buy at low price then you are just a trader.
Have you thought of you dividing it and in the course of you buying weekly with the money met for the month and Bitcoin price goes up will you wait for it to come down before you buy or you will still go ahead and buy, there's no need dividing it if you receives your salary monthly because there's no difference in the monthly and weekly accumulation except you are a trader who is waiting for a dip to happen

 as a short-term trader that will be a nice strategy but not for long-term investors, because waiting for the dip is not a smart move at all as a long-term investor , rather you purchase at anytime you have some money to spare that you can hold for long either by DCAing or lump-summing.

Because waiting for the dip will only slow one down , and IMO the when it comes to accumulating, whenever I divide my funds, I usually use 40\50 , so the 40 percentage Is my emergency funds while the remaining, is for accumulating, in order to cover some space but is not fixed though, because sometimes I can choose to set some percentage as reserve funds but I mainly focus on emergency and accumulating funds .
I don't  think that was what the OP really meant but it's related... just that the trading aspect should be completely ignored.OP is insinuating on buying strategy lumpsum compared to DCA for people earning monthly salary..
Firstly, OP need to know that  either you split your funds to get BTC weekly or you used it up monthly you're still using the DCA strategy... but weekly could be more efficient than monthly. Why?? Bitcoin movement perttern does not move in a single direction so having different entry within a month could be much better than having a single entry per month.
For example
I'm used to receiving paycheck of $3000/month and I decide to invest 70%on bitcoin  that's around 2100 or let's just say 2000
Let's say the price of bitcoin is at $64,000 the day you invest
I.e Monthly =>$64,000
Now if you try investing weekly you can different price entry of
$64k, $65k and maybe it dipped and you had the entry of $62 & 63
And with different entry you pulled in with 500bucks... which do you think will be more profitable.
Not saying that you can't take a monthly entry for your DCA though but with weekly you can pull in with some dip and even if there was no dip the price entries won't be too far from each other . Besides, every entry counts so far you're doing it within the intervals

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When you receive your salary monthly and you decide to remove the one for Bitcoin and then divide it so you can then be using it to invest weekly there's a high tendency that you may even use it for another thing with the hope of returning it which may never happen there by reducing your accumulation percentage for the month.

There is what they called discretionary fund, this is actually the funds that would be left after you must have done all your expenses and there are no more other things that will disturb you then you can use it for your accumulation of Bitcoin, so at this point I see no reason why you should use the funds you had budgeted on your DCA accumulation for another thing with the hope of returning it back because that shows that you are not discipline because an investors who have a goal to achieve on Bitcoin will enever allow anything to hamper there weekly accumulation.
I agree with you because there's such thing as emergency funds and then there's another called discretionary funds. An emergency fund is a cash cushion you build up for yourself to handle sudden life changes or demands that comes your way and it is very much advisable to build up your emergency funds to a reasonable extent before thinking of investing in Bitcoin so that your discretionary income isn't under any form of threat while your DCA accumulation is in progress.

No matter how you want and spread out your accumulation periods in order to possibly mitigate the volatility in the price of Bitcoin, any emergencies you've or concerns should be handled by your already set aside emergency funds and should have nothing to do with your discretionary income used for DCA accumulation.
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October 02, 2024, 06:58:31 PM
So in a different way but everyone has a big target in bitcoin, which is to save it and have a lot of Bitcoin in their wallet. Regardless of the accumulation method, it is still one direction, namely holding it for a long time.
Exactly, that's what we're all aiming for Bitcoin. We want to have more BTCs during the bull run and have it sold, not all of it at a better price.
Selling all isn't a wise decision because in the next years to come, the price of it will be higher.

As for fees, it's not a problem, but as you said, sometimes it's really annoying.
The fees are only becoming a problem when the network is being spammed. But so far, there's no signs of it and hopefully they won't appear anytime soon.
There’s actually no problem with fees, if you find it quite expensive, then never decide buying at that moment. As simple as that, otherwise you are already at loss before you start making some returns. That’s why a lot have been trying to emphasize here that patience is the key. If you can’t be patient on your market entry and exit, you will never achieve your target profits in your investment.  And also, consistency in doing DCA will certainly lead to a massive investment. But still stick to the basic to always buy using your spare money, an amount that you can afford to lose.
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October 02, 2024, 06:11:02 PM
So in a different way but everyone has a big target in bitcoin, which is to save it and have a lot of Bitcoin in their wallet. Regardless of the accumulation method, it is still one direction, namely holding it for a long time.
Exactly, that's what we're all aiming for Bitcoin. We want to have more BTCs during the bull run and have it sold, not all of it at a better price.
Selling all isn't a wise decision because in the next years to come, the price of it will be higher.

As for fees, it's not a problem, but as you said, sometimes it's really annoying.
The fees are only becoming a problem when the network is being spammed. But so far, there's no signs of it and hopefully they won't appear anytime soon.
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October 02, 2024, 06:08:59 PM
I see no reason dividing your your money to invest weekly since it will still amount to same figure, for example if you want to invest $100 monthly when you receive your salary you can just use it at once than dividing it and still use it to accumulate weekly,

DCA strategy doesn't necessarily mean you most stick on weekly accumulation because even JayJuanGee has also mentioned that anyone can choose whether monthly or weekly depending on the one that's okay for them because even if is weekly or monthly what is more important is your persistent in Bitcoin accumulation by continue to always accumulate Bitcoin on your established timeframe.

Secondly don't think that those who normally accumulate Bitcoin on weekly basis are wasting there time because there are people who earn money on a daily or weekly basis so instead of  compiling the money till the end of the month they find it more convenient to use the weekly basis.


When you receive your salary monthly and you decide to remove the one for Bitcoin and then divide it so you can then be using it to invest weekly there's a high tendency that you may even use it for another thing with the hope of returning it which may never happen there by reducing your accumulation percentage for the month.

There is what they called discretionary fund, this is actually the funds that would be left after you must have done all your expenses and there are no more other things that will disturb you then you can use it for your accumulation of Bitcoin, so at this point I see no reason why you should use the funds you had budgeted on your DCA accumulation for another thing with the hope of returning it back because that shows that you are not discipline because an investors who have a goal to achieve on Bitcoin will enever allow anything to hamper there weekly accumulation.


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October 02, 2024, 05:54:57 PM
Living on a single source of income is not bad, but not totally valid, it also depends on how much income the person gets by the end of the month or week, if the income is very high enough to sustain every vital needs and still to invest then nothing much to worry about. But, owning a second part of earning is also a good move for anyone who would love to control more funds.
Relying on one income is not a safe idea. No matter the amount that the source is able to make for us in a month or year, it is better to have another source because nothing lasts forever and not just last alone. From time to time there is competition from others, and there will be advancement and development in all niches, businesses, or industries. If that source gets closed or is experiencing difficulty, then that is when our other business or work will help us maintain balance until we are back in track.

Don't forget responsibilities increases with time. You might be single today and in the next few years you might be married with kids and still have extended families to watch out for some time. Imagine investing $200 of Bitcoin and expenses cost you $300 when you are single at a monthly income of $600. And you choose not to diversify or extend your source of income. When you get a family or a bigger responsibility your expensive might increase to $400 to $500 and now you will only have about $100 or less to investing Bitcoin. his is why diversification and sorting for other source  for more income is necessary.

Income and discretionary income are not the same thing, even though you might be describing something similar, but the concept of discretionary income is the amount of money that you have left after you account for your expenses.  It is more accurate to say that we are ONLY investing from our discretionary income rather than just presuming that two people with the same income are the same or presuming that merely if someone makes more money or less money that he is able to invest in bitcoin or not.  Sometimes people have discretionary expenses too, so if they cut some of their discretionary expenses, then they end up having greater discretionary income (more money available to buy bitcoin).  Of course a person who chooses to spend 100% of his discretionary income on buying bitcoin is likely going to end up getting himself into trouble due to miscalculation of his expenses or even sometimes realizing that he needs or wants thing, so sometimes even within discretionary income there could be things that a guy wants to be able to buy from time to time or to prepare for some extra discretionary expenses through the month like going out to eat, drink or go to a movie. and so if he has spent all of his discretionary income on bitcoin, he might create some worse existence and stress for himself and perhaps even get into a position that he ends up having to draw from his bitcoin because he did not lessen his level of BTC buying aggressiveness.
Income and discretionary income can be very confusing to most people, especially to those who don't have a fixed salary coming at the end of the month. The concern is that if a person gets a monthly salary, it is easy to identify a discretionary income after removing the rest money for expenses in that month. But imagine a case where one has a skill and gets paid based on when he finishes his job, or the task given to him. This means at most it is difficult to completely manage and know what the overall income and the discretionary income are. Since his money can come anytime within the months and part by part based on the jobs and offers, he has that month. Such a person may find it hard to know the right percentage to use for the purchase of Bitcoin.

I see people in those positions when they calculate how much they made that month. For instance, it could be $2000 and what is left as discretionary income is $200. This is a huge issue for new or old investors. It is impulsive spending and improper records. For those persons who fall under this category, the need for becoming better should be put in place. Cutting down unnecessary spending and staying on a schedule will tend to harness the difficulties. I was concerned to talk about it because I have been in that position before and out of it, but many are still finding it hard to identify or differentiate possible income from discretionary income.
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October 02, 2024, 04:38:14 PM
It is not the amount of income that you earn will determine the amount of bitcoin that you will accumulate but it is the amunt of your discretionary income that will determine the amount of bitcoin you will be able to accumulate overtime if you invest with a focused and committed mindset.

Yeah I know where you are driving at, the aspect of the amount of income one earns will determine the amount of bitcoin to accumulate. Actually I was not the one that made the statement but I replied to what @Felicity_Tide said, and there is no much difference from what you are saying from mine. Discretion fund and or amount we earn from salary are not a seperate thing because without the amount someone earn from his place of work or anywhere he gets his fund from, he can't be able to have a discretion fund because there must be a place you earn money to invest in bitcoin and also have a discretion fund so both are thesame thing.
Actually in this case I don't even agree with saying the amount of income determines the amount of bitcoin they have because in the end even though this can be true when a billionaire will definitely be different in terms of portopolio with people whose economy is below average but on the other hand we must understand that in the end the amount of bitcoin collected is determined in terms of the accumulation they do with purchases every week or every month if it refers to DCA or maybe simultaneous purchases made when they use the buy on the dip method.

So that even though in the end a billionaire though it is not a benchmark that they can collect more bitcoin if in the end the accumulation they do is no better than ordinary people who collect from their monthly income.
Indeed, in this case the level of money and economic level can be a determinant but in the end the purchase of bitcoin is not determined by how rich they are but how much they can accumulate bitcoin according to their beliefs and according to their level of risk management.
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October 02, 2024, 04:09:39 PM
Personally, I think that setting up systems to try to buy BTC every week is important, since I believe that buying BTC should be considered as an important thing - yet I can see that other people might not feel that bitcoin is at that level of importance for them and they might even be spending money for various self-improvement systems and ways to earn more money in the future and other reasons that might improve their lives better than merely buying bitcoin, so they choose a more spread out BTC investment schedule.  There are balances with these kinds of matters for sure.
I agree with you, everyone has a different lifestyle and has different thoughts. In the investments that are made, sometimes each other has differences where someone is more active in buying gradually every week, some prefer to buy every month or even in every Quarter.

There are also those who do not want to spend a purchase fee every week because if they routinely buy every week then they will spend a fee 4 times a month but if it is done once a month then they only pay one fee for each purchase made.

However, if his job is a farmer, of course he will make purchases every quarter because farming is harvested once in 3 months since it started. For that you are right, everyone has a different way of investing in bitcoin. I know a farmer on social media, he is so confident in Bitcoin that he has been buying bitcoin for almost 3 years with execution every Quarter. He continues to accumulate bitcoin every time he has money from farming.

So in a different way but everyone has a big target in bitcoin, which is to save it and have a lot of Bitcoin in their wallet. Regardless of the accumulation method, it is still one direction, namely holding it for a long time.

As for fees, it's not a problem, but as you said, sometimes it's really annoying.
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October 02, 2024, 04:02:52 PM
If you receive salary monthly and you think by dividing the money you have set aside for your Bitcoin accumulation into weeks will earn you more Bitcoin through the hope that there will be a dip within the week were you can buy at low price then you are just a trader.
Have you thought of you dividing it and in the course of you buying weekly with the money met for the month and Bitcoin price goes up will you wait for it to come down before you buy or you will still go ahead and buy, there's no need dividing it if you receives your salary monthly because there's no difference in the monthly and weekly accumulation except you are a trader who is waiting for a dip to happen

 as a short-term trader that will be a nice strategy but not for long-term investors, because waiting for the dip is not a smart move at all as a long-term investor , rather you purchase at anytime you have some money to spare that you can hold for long either by DCAing or lump-summing.

Because waiting for the dip will only slow one down , and IMO the when it comes to accumulating, whenever I divide my funds, I usually use 40\50 , so the 40 percentage Is my emergency funds while the remaining, is for accumulating, in order to cover some space but is not fixed though, because sometimes I can choose to set some percentage as reserve funds but I mainly focus on emergency and accumulating funds .
you are right, we should not wait for deep if you want to invest for long-term. if we do that then definitely will Miss the opportunity.

I have a story about this when I see the Bitcoin price at $16,000 then I make a plan for investment in Bitcoin that I will wait till The price at $12,000 for Bitcoin then I will buy full 1 Bitcoin by selling some of my physical assets. and then I am waiting for $12,000 as Bitcoin price but in this season Bitcoin price drop till $15,000. and again Bitcoin price increasing and now Bitcoin price is more than $60,000 so I fail that opportunity now I am regarding. so I think want to invest for a long time he/she should invest anytime he had money. and definitely it should be in a DCA method
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October 02, 2024, 03:27:32 PM
If you receive salary monthly and you think by dividing the money you have set aside for your Bitcoin accumulation into weeks will earn you more Bitcoin through the hope that there will be a dip within the week were you can buy at low price then you are just a trader.
Have you thought of you dividing it and in the course of you buying weekly with the money met for the month and Bitcoin price goes up will you wait for it to come down before you buy or you will still go ahead and buy, there's no need dividing it if you receives your salary monthly because there's no difference in the monthly and weekly accumulation except you are a trader who is waiting for a dip to happen

 as a short-term trader that will be a nice strategy but not for long-term investors, because waiting for the dip is not a smart move at all as a long-term investor , rather you purchase at anytime you have some money to spare that you can hold for long either by DCAing or lump-summing.

Because waiting for the dip will only slow one down , and IMO the when it comes to accumulating, whenever I divide my funds, I usually use 40\50 , so the 40 percentage Is my emergency funds while the remaining, is for accumulating, in order to cover some space but is not fixed though, because sometimes I can choose to set some percentage as reserve funds but I mainly focus on emergency and accumulating funds .
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