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Quote from: hilariousetc on December 04, 2023, 05:18:25 AM

Quote from: Littleshop on December 03, 2023, 10:47:12 AM

The front middle seat was dropped because there is a display there and they could not figure out airbags with the display for the center passenger.

I have owned a six seat full size truck for a decade. I have had five in it multiple times but never filled the sixth front center position. Maybe a young small person would not impinge too much on the driver but it’s just not a high priority.

I'd rather have the extra seat than a display. I'm sure they could have found a place to put it or a tablet or a smaller screen somewhere else - maybe even make it detachable so people can move it around or put it where they want. Maybe having one on the roof that can fold up/down when needed like a sun-visor. If nobody is in the back it's useless and is in a bit of an awkward position. Could have even just used an app on each persons phone as that's what most people are glued to anyway. For most 6 seats probably isn't needed but it's ideal for families with three kids and/or a pet etc. I have seen a couple of people complaining that they needed the extra seat so it will effect those people for sure. I think they should consider having a six seat option in the future.

I’d personally rather have the display. How else would I play video games while the car is driving me around? This is basically a giant steel sports car. Not a minivan.

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Quote from: Littleshop on December 03, 2023, 10:47:12 AM

The front middle seat was dropped because there is a display there and they could not figure out airbags with the display for the center passenger.

I have owned a six seat full size truck for a decade. I have had five in it multiple times but never filled the sixth front center position. Maybe a young small person would not impinge too much on the driver but it’s just not a high priority.

I'd rather have the extra seat than a display. I'm sure they could have found a place to put it or a tablet or a smaller screen somewhere else - maybe even make it detachable so people can move it around or put it where they want. Maybe having one on the roof that can fold up/down when needed like a sun-visor. If nobody is in the back it's useless and is in a bit of an awkward position. Could have even just used an app on each persons phone as that's what most people are glued to anyway. For most 6 seats probably isn't needed but it's ideal for families with three kids and/or a pet etc. I have seen a couple of people complaining that they needed the extra seat so it will effect those people for sure. I think they should consider having a six seat option in the future.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on December 03, 2023, 07:30:34 AM

The launch event was hit and miss for me. The price rise is understandable due to inflation and I think most expected they wouldn't be so cheap but $61k is still a good deal in my opinion. Are the trucks actually being slowly shipped out to people now or did they just give a handful of trucks out to a few select buyers (and no doubt they're Tesla affiliated somehow) and they won't start shipping out to plebs until next year or maybe even 2025? On the UK site you still can't put a deposit down just sign up for notifications.

As far as the design goes it still looks very exciting and there's not much I'd be disappointed by. I wish they would have kept the front middle seat though as three seats in the front would have been a big selling point. I'm sure Tesla could have figured a way to make it into a folding seat or something that can be put up or down as needed but maybe there's safety issues in that.

Quote from: OgNasty on December 01, 2023, 06:54:00 PM

It looks like this is the range extender that takes the Cybertruck to 470+ miles of range on a charge. Leaks on the website also suggest it will have a $16,000 price tag. I’m not sure if it would be worth it, but I’m sure in certain situations it would be nice to have. I think it would have been cooler in the bed storage space, but maybe there will be aftermarket options.

Unless you absolutely need the range I don't think this is worth the extra money and especially at the expense of sacrificing bed space.

Quote from: Littleshop on December 01, 2023, 08:59:53 PM

The cybertruck is built with the 4680 cybercell. Right now it is actually inferior to the older Panasonic cells from Nevada except possibly on cost. It has 5% less power per weight and size. They should actually be able to get minimum 10% better. That would apply both to the truck and the range extender. I expect at least 5% improvements in the next 18 months. That would bring it up to the 500 miles people seem to want.

I'm sure the truck will be improved and the price should fall with inflation and as production gets streamlined.

The front middle seat was dropped because there is a display there and they could not figure out airbags with the display for the center passenger.

I have owned a six seat full size truck for a decade. I have had five in it multiple times but never filled the sixth front center position. Maybe a young small person would not impinge too much on the driver but it’s just not a high priority.

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The launch event was hit and miss for me. The price rise is understandable due to inflation and I think most expected they wouldn't be so cheap but $61k is still a good deal in my opinion. Are the trucks actually being slowly shipped out to people now or did they just give a handful of trucks out to a few select buyers (and no doubt they're Tesla affiliated somehow) and they won't start shipping out to plebs until next year or maybe even 2025? On the UK site you still can't put a deposit down just sign up for notifications.

As far as the design goes it still looks very exciting and there's not much I'd be disappointed by. I wish they would have kept the front middle seat though as three seats in the front would have been a big selling point. I'm sure Tesla could have figured a way to make it into a folding seat or something that can be put up or down as needed but maybe there's safety issues in that.

Quote from: OgNasty on December 01, 2023, 06:54:00 PM

It looks like this is the range extender that takes the Cybertruck to 470+ miles of range on a charge. Leaks on the website also suggest it will have a $16,000 price tag. I’m not sure if it would be worth it, but I’m sure in certain situations it would be nice to have. I think it would have been cooler in the bed storage space, but maybe there will be aftermarket options.

Unless you absolutely need the range I don't think this is worth the extra money and especially at the expense of sacrificing bed space.

Quote from: Littleshop on December 01, 2023, 08:59:53 PM

The cybertruck is built with the 4680 cybercell. Right now it is actually inferior to the older Panasonic cells from Nevada except possibly on cost. It has 5% less power per weight and size. They should actually be able to get minimum 10% better. That would apply both to the truck and the range extender. I expect at least 5% improvements in the next 18 months. That would bring it up to the 500 miles people seem to want.

I'm sure the truck will be improved and the price should fall with inflation and as production gets streamlined.

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Yesterday i see this video which i found very interesting about Cybertruck, i have to say it look a little bit better than before for me, i dont know if its only my mind getting used to or because this polish feels better.

Anyways good review.

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The cybertruck is built with the 4680 cybercell. Right now it is actually inferior to the older Panasonic cells from Nevada except possibly on cost. It has 5% less power per weight and size. They should actually be able to get minimum 10% better. That would apply both to the truck and the range extender. I expect at least 5% improvements in the next 18 months. That would bring it up to the 500 miles people seem to want.

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It looks like this is the range extender that takes the Cybertruck to 470+ miles of range on a charge. Leaks on the website also suggest it will have a $16,000 price tag. I’m not sure if it would be worth it, but I’m sure in certain situations it would be nice to have. I think it would have been cooler in the bed storage space, but maybe there will be aftermarket options.

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Quote from: OgNasty on December 01, 2023, 06:47:18 AM

I did finally receive communication from Tesla about my preorder. I guess this is how they’re trying to keep preorder holders who need a new car immediately happy. It read the following:

Cybertruck is Here
And your reservation is in the queue. While you await delivery of your Cybertruck, get $1,000 off the lease or purchase price of a new Tesla.* Place your new order by December 31, 2023, to qualify.

I have not received that email. I have a very early first day order. I ordered during the event. I would use that $1000 offer if it applied to inventory model Y, as there are already some at $3000 off.

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Quote from: OgNasty on November 30, 2023, 07:39:55 PM

You can see a bunch of accessories that Tesla is offering using the below link.

https://shop.tesla.com/category/vehicle-accessories/cybertruck

lol at this "broken window" decal..

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Description

Inspired by the Cybertruck unveil event, this limited-edition window decal celebrates the moment that made us go 'OMFG'.

Includes:

1x decal
1x squeegee

Note: Fitment compatible with the rear driver's side window of Cybertruck.

https://shop.tesla.com/product/cybertruck-omfg_decal

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I did finally receive communication from Tesla about my preorder. I guess this is how they’re trying to keep preorder holders who need a new car immediately happy. It read the following:

Cybertruck is Here
And your reservation is in the queue. While you await delivery of your Cybertruck, get $1,000 off the lease or purchase price of a new Tesla.* Place your new order by December 31, 2023, to qualify.

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Quote from: OgNasty on November 30, 2023, 07:39:55 PM

Quote from: Littleshop on November 30, 2023, 05:53:30 PM

Pretty disappointed at the $30,000 prince increase on the AWD. I am priced out. May buy a model Y or a base Lightning.

I think a lot of people will be priced out. This definitely isn’t the $40K truck that was teased to get preorders. I think these prices will likely deter a lot of resellers too. I am glad to see an extended range option but if it takes up bed space that is probably not a realistic option. You can see a bunch of accessories that Tesla is offering using the below link.

https://shop.tesla.com/category/vehicle-accessories/cybertruck

At $65k for the AWD, $15k over original I would have made the stretch and bought it. but I can get a lightning for $5k under MSRP so $48k... and then get the federal credit bringing it to $41k plus tax. Or a Model Y for $44k and then the credit off of that. Tesla is not dumb... they will probably sell all they can make for a while (a year) at those prices, then they may start to lower the price later. Maybe in 2025 the AWD will be $69k - the federal credit making it affordable to a lot more people.

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Quote from: Littleshop on November 30, 2023, 05:53:30 PM

Pretty disappointed at the $30,000 prince increase on the AWD. I am priced out. May buy a model Y or a base Lightning.

I think a lot of people will be priced out. This definitely isn’t the $40K truck that was teased to get preorders. I think these prices will likely deter a lot of resellers too. I am glad to see an extended range option but if it takes up bed space that is probably not a realistic option. You can see a bunch of accessories that Tesla is offering using the below link.

https://shop.tesla.com/category/vehicle-accessories/cybertruck

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Quote from: OgNasty on November 30, 2023, 04:49:18 PM

The Cybertruck towing a Porsche 911 faster than the Porsche can do a quarter mile was a pretty amazing clip.

Here’s the information everyone has been waiting on… With range being my key concern, I think the All Wheel Drive model is the way to go.

CyberBeast:
$99,990
320mi range, 2.6s 0-60
2024 release

All-Wheel Drive:
$79,990
340mi range, 4.1s 0-60
2024 release

Rear-Wheel Drive
$60,990
250mi range, 6.5s 0-60
2025 release

Pretty disappointed at the $30,000 prince increase on the AWD. I am priced out. May buy a model Y or a base Lightning.

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The Cybertruck towing a Porsche 911 faster than the Porsche can do a quarter mile was a pretty amazing clip.

Here’s the information everyone has been waiting on… With range being my key concern, I think the All Wheel Drive model is the way to go.

CyberBeast:
$99,990
320mi range, 2.6s 0-60
2024 release

All-Wheel Drive:
$79,990
340mi range, 4.1s 0-60
2024 release

Rear-Wheel Drive
$60,990
250mi range, 6.5s 0-60
2025 release

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Quote from: NotATether on November 30, 2023, 05:43:37 AM

Well if it's going to be that expensive then they better have bullet-resistant glass on the windows this time, if not bullet-proof

Of course I know this is not the case for almost all of the consumer pickup truck types at this price, but I mean come on. Elon can send rockets to space and back, so he should be able to add some tempered glass to his cars.

Unfortunately one of the features that is making the cybertruck more expensive is four wheel steering. Honestly as a truck owner THE FEATURE SUCKS. Why would such an innovative feature suck? First, it increases cost. I personally estimate about $3000. Second, and key here for me, it makes the bed smaller. The cybertruck bed has sloped walls to accommodate the additional running gear of the four wheel steering. Finally, it will make the truck less reliable. It is more hardware to break, it almost certainly makes the truck heavier and it may have reduced the payload capability. None of those things alone are worth the decreased turning radius for me, let alone all of them.

Even if they offer a feature delete later, the way Tesla works it will not increase the bed size as that would be a new casting. To add insult to injury, this feature was not even discussed during the launch. I would far more want the built in ramps for example that now seem to be deleted.

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The excitement is building. You can feel it even on this thread. We’re just a few hours away from getting all sorts of new information about the Cybertruck. If I were to guess, I would say people will probably complain about the range and pricing while Elon will most likely roll out the Cyberquad as a surprise. Maybe some cool features like the solar panel option will also be unveiled.

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Quote from: NotATether on November 30, 2023, 05:43:37 AM

Well if it's going to be that expensive then they better have bullet-resistant glass on the windows this time, if not bullet-proof

Of course I know this is not the case for almost all of the consumer pickup truck types at this price, but I mean come on. Elon can send rockets to space and back, so he should be able to add some tempered glass to his cars.

Elon explained on his latest Joe Rogan podcast appearance that Bullet-proof glass needs to be incredibly thick so wouldn't be feasible on a standard model as the windows need to be fixed/immovable. Maybe they could do a special bullet proof edition later, but I'm not sure who the market would be for other than maybe government officials and some super-celebs.

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-beast-mode-tesla-cybertruck-bulletproof-windows-option-2023-10?r=US&IR=T

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The Tesla CEO also reiterated on Tuesday that the Cybertruck will have bulletproof steel panels and there will even be an option for people to purchase bulletproof glass for the vehicle, though that variant will pose a major usability tradeoff.

"You can make anything bulletproof if you want, but the glass has to be very thick for be bulletproof, so it can't go up and down," Musk said, adding that the bulletproof windows will be immobile.

During the interview, Rogan even tested out the Cybertruck's exterior by shooting an arrow at the vehicle's stainless steel body.

In the video, the arrow appeared to partially break against the car's exterior, leaving a small dent in the side of the Cybertruck.

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Well if it's going to be that expensive then they better have bullet-resistant glass on the windows this time, if not bullet-proof

Of course I know this is not the case for almost all of the consumer pickup truck types at this price, but I mean come on. Elon can send rockets to space and back, so he should be able to add some tempered glass to his cars.

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The launch event will be streamed on Twitter later (sorry, not calling it X Grin

) https://twitter.com/Tesla/status/1729954264540156295

Looks to start at 8pm GMT time.

Quote from: Littleshop on November 27, 2023, 08:04:21 PM

Is there any word if Tesla will accept Bitcoin payments for vehicles again?

No, but a while back Elon said he would "consider" it. Bit of a lame move him caving into pressure to stop accepting it. I'd love to buy a Cybertruck in BTC, but I still think it will be a miracle if this makes it into full production at an affordable price along with being fully road legal here in the UK.

Quote from: suchmoon on November 16, 2023, 05:21:45 PM

LOL there are no "preorders", the $100 deposit means jack shit, especially since most of those "buyers" likely put it down on a $40k truck, which will never happen. Tesla will make top trim Lambo-priced version first and will try to push it to everyone regardless of their position in the queue or even without a deposit. The $50k penalty nonsense is just a clunky PR play trying to make it look like there is going to be a reseller stampede, and to get some more free publicity.

I'm really wondering what the price is actually going to be. If it's under $100k I'll be surprised. The 40k price tag never really made sense.

Inflation alone looks to have pushed up the price by 28%:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-20/how-tesla-s-cybertruck-price-and-range-determine-its-fate

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Inflation has driven up the average amount paid for new pickups by 28%. Some reservation holders planning to attend the Nov. 30 launch party in Austin fear a dramatic repricing that could relegate the Cybertruck to a toy for the rich.
How much is too much?

If Tesla’s intent is for the dual-motor Cybertruck to more or less track the F-150, its price will end up rising to roughly $60,000. That could be the dividing line used to distinguish between whether this is a product actually built for utility or one that more so appeals to vanity.

Even 60k would still be optimistic. If some select people are taking home their trucks today surely they've already paid for them unless this is just a PR sham and they're giving them to some celebs or people associated with Tesla.

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Quote from: OgNasty on November 28, 2023, 09:45:05 PM

Quote from: Littleshop on November 27, 2023, 08:04:21 PM

Is there any word if Tesla will accept Bitcoin payments for vehicles again?

I haven’t heard anything to suggest that will be happening but there’s always hope. If there was going to be news on this front I imagine we’d hear about it on Thursday.

There have been some interesting leaks though. Including this one about a solar cover. I wonder if it’ll just be a car cover with solar panels or if it will be something build into the truck. More news soon…

It will be interesting to see what is announced tomorrow. I have a very early reservation number, within the first few minutes. I can be priced out though, if the price is more than $20,000 over the original pricing I will not get one.

Solar in the bed would be interesting. With today’s portable battery packs and solar panel generators, you could build a 800 W charging set up for under $2000 but it would be in the style of the Martian where he had to pull the equipment out and set it up on the side.

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