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legendary
Activity: 1148
Merit: 1018
Funny to hear from a authentic low-activity-noob.

an authentic low activity noob who has kept his money...and actually made thousands on the way down also.


...whereas you chumps are all well underwater.

Especially you Cyberlight, another reliable idiot, calling the bottom and predicting bullish break-outs all the way down from $1000. Do you now get embarrassed by being wrong all the time? Have you no shame? If I were you I would just shut the fuck up until the charts started to compliment your limited one dimensional take on Bitcoin again. When that happens, I will certainly change my tune, why can't you change yours?


Are you sure?

I'm 100% (of what I am willing to invest in total) in BTC at this moment. This can change within a moment of course, but I have been all-in for most of the time since the December peak. My total in BTC is now about 2.4 times as high as back then as the result of trading, which makes my holdings worth expressed in USD about 40% higher than at peak (using the intraday 1d median price on Bitstamp to calculate my portfolio worth).

In other words, you can believe in those shiny little coins and not land, as you call it, "well underwater".

Well, the fact is that everybody who bought and held BTC any time between its inception (2009) and October 2013 (just three months ago) is looking at a huge profit. Its quite delusional and stupid to say generally to this community "you chumps are well underwater" Cheesy



In his defense, that's kind of his argument: that those of us who (luckily) got in early enough are preaching buy & hold, and while the new entrants are the bagholders.

Problem is, this response is typical for each post-ATH bear market... I hope he sticks around long enough to see that we'll see another ATH, and then another, and so on. Might take a year, though probably less, but BTC hasn't reached its final valuation yet -- not that there ever will be one, but perhaps we'll stay within an order of magnitude at least at some point Smiley

Of course its a typical response: do you remember the Wall Observer in May/June/July? And during the second half of 2011 there were dozens of posts about how the early adopters were milking the bagholders, how they were going to dump everything and bring the price to 0, etc. etc. etc.

I guess MatTheCat didn't use the search function Smiley

In his defense I will say that he has a sense of drama and I find his posts entertaining, some times he makes good points and some of his posts are hilarious
legendary
Activity: 1470
Merit: 1007
Funny to hear from a authentic low-activity-noob.

an authentic low activity noob who has kept his money...and actually made thousands on the way down also.


...whereas you chumps are all well underwater.

Especially you Cyberlight, another reliable idiot, calling the bottom and predicting bullish break-outs all the way down from $1000. Do you now get embarrassed by being wrong all the time? Have you no shame? If I were you I would just shut the fuck up until the charts started to compliment your limited one dimensional take on Bitcoin again. When that happens, I will certainly change my tune, why can't you change yours?


Are you sure?

I'm 100% (of what I am willing to invest in total) in BTC at this moment. This can change within a moment of course, but I have been all-in for most of the time since the December peak. My total in BTC is now about 2.4 times as high as back then as the result of trading, which makes my holdings worth expressed in USD about 40% higher than at peak (using the intraday 1d median price on Bitstamp to calculate my portfolio worth).

In other words, you can believe in those shiny little coins and not land, as you call it, "well underwater".

Well, the fact is that everybody who bought and held BTC any time between its inception (2009) and October 2013 (just three months ago) is looking at a huge profit. Its quite delusional and stupid to say generally to this community "you chumps are well underwater" Cheesy



In his defense, that's kind of his argument: that those of us who (luckily) got in early enough are preaching buy & hold, and while the new entrants are the bagholders.

Problem is, this response is typical for each post-ATH bear market... I hope he sticks around long enough to see that we'll see another ATH, and then another, and so on. Might take a year, though probably less, but BTC hasn't reached its final valuation yet -- not that there ever will be one, but perhaps we'll stay within an order of magnitude at least at some point Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1148
Merit: 1018
Funny to hear from a authentic low-activity-noob.

an authentic low activity noob who has kept his money...and actually made thousands on the way down also.


...whereas you chumps are all well underwater.

Especially you Cyberlight, another reliable idiot, calling the bottom and predicting bullish break-outs all the way down from $1000. Do you now get embarrassed by being wrong all the time? Have you no shame? If I were you I would just shut the fuck up until the charts started to compliment your limited one dimensional take on Bitcoin again. When that happens, I will certainly change my tune, why can't you change yours?


Are you sure?

I'm 100% (of what I am willing to invest in total) in BTC at this moment. This can change within a moment of course, but I have been all-in for most of the time since the December peak. My total in BTC is now about 2.4 times as high as back then as the result of trading, which makes my holdings worth expressed in USD about 40% higher than at peak (using the intraday 1d median price on Bitstamp to calculate my portfolio worth).

In other words, you can believe in those shiny little coins and not land, as you call it, "well underwater".

Well, the fact is that everybody who bought and held BTC any time between its inception (2009) and October 2013 (just three months ago) is looking at a huge profit. Its quite delusional and stupid to say generally to this community "you chumps are well underwater" Cheesy

legendary
Activity: 1470
Merit: 1007
Funny to hear from a authentic low-activity-noob.

an authentic low activity noob who has kept his money...and actually made thousands on the way down also.


...whereas you chumps are all well underwater.

Especially you Cyberlight, another reliable idiot, calling the bottom and predicting bullish break-outs all the way down from $1000. Do you now get embarrassed by being wrong all the time? Have you no shame? If I were you I would just shut the fuck up until the charts started to compliment your limited one dimensional take on Bitcoin again. When that happens, I will certainly change my tune, why can't you change yours?


Are you sure?

I'm 100% (of what I am willing to invest in total) in BTC at this moment. This can change within a moment of course, but I have been all-in for most of the time since the December peak. My total in BTC is now about 2.4 times as high as back then as the result of trading, which makes my holdings worth expressed in USD about 40% higher than at peak (using the intraday 1d median price on Bitstamp to calculate my portfolio worth).

In other words, you can believe in those shiny little coins and not land, as you call it, "well underwater".
hero member
Activity: 840
Merit: 1000
So MatTheCat, what do you want us to do? Preach doom and gloom and spread FUD like you and these other noobs are doing? How is that not one dimensional? Sure we could see lower prices still, but all this FUD is just pathetic. You've been talking about a big crash for weeks now based on what, some kind of dream or subconscious feeling? Oh yeah that's some real reliable stuff right there, I'm completely convinced and converted now. No, I play both sides but I prefer to err on the side of the bull. And I've been doing really well doing exactly that. You may prefer the opposite and that's all well, but I don't understand why you're always so hostile about it. Some people should really learn to take themselves less seriously around here. But I guess that's too much to ask for trolls.

Preach doom and gloom and spread FUD? Go and tell that to at least two 'newbs' on here that I believe I have had an effect on, in helping them decide not to dive into Bitcoin at $820+ prices, as all the resident Bitcoin Nutters were practically commanding them to do.

I start dancing to a different tune when the DJ changes the record.

But right now, all I see is yet more down time, yet all you dickwipes do is keep telling each other how Bitcoin is going 2 da moon. You and I, are fleas on a donkey's arse. It doesn't matter what noises we make. This market will ultimately be made or broke by the actions of a just a handful of players, yet you would prefer only 'positive spin' around here in order that odd other newb small fry will pile his cash into Bitcoin in the vain hope of maintaining the value of your holdings?
legendary
Activity: 1246
Merit: 1000
Funny to hear from a authentic low-activity-noob.

an authentic low activity noob who has kept his money...and actually made thousands on the way down also.


...whereas you chumps are all well underwater.

Especially you Cyberlight, another reliable idiot, calling the bottom and predicting bullish break-outs all the way down from $1000. Do you now get embarrassed by being wrong all the time? Have you no shame? If I were you I would just shut the fuck up until the charts started to compliment your limited one dimensional take on Bitcoin again. When that happens, I will certainly change my tune, why can't you change yours?

So MatTheCat, what do you want us to do? Preach doom and gloom and spread FUD like you and these other noobs are doing? How is that not one dimensional? Sure we could see lower prices still, but all this FUD is just pathetic. You've been talking about a big crash for weeks now based on what, some kind of dream or subconscious feeling? Oh yeah that's some real reliable stuff right there, I'm completely convinced and converted now. No, I play both sides but I prefer to err on the side of the bull. And I've been doing really well doing exactly that. You may prefer the opposite and that's all well, but I don't understand why you're always so hostile about it. Some people should really learn to take themselves less seriously around here. But I guess that's too much to ask for trolls.
hero member
Activity: 840
Merit: 1000
Funny to hear from a authentic low-activity-noob.

an authentic low activity noob who has kept his money...and actually made thousands on the way down also.


...whereas you chumps are all well underwater.

Especially you Cyberlight, another reliable idiot, calling the bottom and predicting bullish break-outs all the way down from $1000. Do you now get embarrassed by being wrong all the time? Have you no shame? If I were you I would just shut the fuck up until the charts started to compliment your limited one dimensional take on Bitcoin again. When that happens, I will certainly change my tune, why can't you change yours?
full member
Activity: 230
Merit: 100
if we are to compare Bitcoin to the early stages of the internet, that wasn't secure either. It took a few years before major security in browsers and websites were in full implementation. How did developers learn to make the internet more secure? Through attacks such as this. Noone went running out the door saying "this can never work!"

In the meantime, paper wallets.  
sr. member
Activity: 308
Merit: 250
The fact you low-activity-noobs spend your day trying to spread FUD in this forum is just a strong signal that this is a good time to buy. Probably soon we will see an even better chance.

As soon as you low-activity-noobs start posting "to the moon" and that kind of euphoria-driven posts, then it will be the time to sell.

That strategy never failed, did you know?

Frankly, I find the FUD from the low activity noobs more palatable than all this endless 'The Titanic is not Sinking, Hooray, Hurrah' happy happy talk that has plagued this forum all the way down from $1000.
Funny to hear from a authentic low-activity-noob.
hero member
Activity: 840
Merit: 1000
The fact you low-activity-noobs spend your day trying to spread FUD in this forum is just a strong signal that this is a good time to buy. Probably soon we will see an even better chance.

As soon as you low-activity-noobs start posting "to the moon" and that kind of euphoria-driven posts, then it will be the time to sell.

That strategy never failed, did you know?

Frankly, I find the FUD from the low activity noobs more palatable than all this endless 'The Titanic is not Sinking, Hooray, Hurrah' happy happy talk that has plagued this forum all the way down from $1000.
legendary
Activity: 1148
Merit: 1018
The fact you low-activity-noobs spend your day trying to spread FUD in this forum is just a strong signal that this is a good time to buy. Probably soon we will see an even better chance.

As soon as you low-activity-noobs start posting "to the moon" and that kind of euphoria-driven posts, then it will be the time to sell.

That strategy never failed, did you know?

Every now and then I click un-ignore just to immediately regret it. Won't fall for it this time though.

Hahaha, exactly the same here. I sometimes see those clusters of hidden comments (like the ones above, to which Rampion responded), and think "why did I put user XYZ on ignore again...?", click unhide, and go like "jup. that's why."


@Rampion

Good to see you in here again. And good to see you acting as a voice of reason, as always.

I will say one thing that is maybe not completely aligned to your thinking: we are still in a (pretty well established by now) bear market. If you buy in now, you're probably not going to regret it in a year from now, but alternatively, one can also bet on price still going lower.

Note, I'm not saying you shouldn't buy -- of course, everyone's buying (or trading) strategy is different. What I'm saying is, it's probably not a bad time to buy now *but* you might have to sit through another month or so of downward movement, so newcomers should be aware of that.


Well, I think that *probably* we will see lower prices soon. I bought at $550ish on Stamp, but exactly 50% of my fresh fiat is waiting for lower prices.

Quote from: Blitz
On Rampion: I do remember him laughing at me and going "this time is different" back in the quadruple digits … Nobody's perfect. Cheesy

Well, all your "good by triple digits", "no more triple digits this year" posts were perfect to made fun of when we reached the quadruple digits Smiley

Anyhow I guess you will agree that "that time was different", as post-April 10th we didn't enter a loooooong slide down for many months as it happened in 2011. In fact the very bottom ($50) was only 2 days after the peak ($266), so I'd say that it was indeed very different.

What never changes: bitcoin is prone to boom and bust cycles. Buy during panic sells, sell during euphoria - and enjoy the ride.
legendary
Activity: 854
Merit: 1000
That's what you get when you post this thread in the speculative board! Speculative answers!  Tongue
legendary
Activity: 1470
Merit: 1007
The fact you low-activity-noobs spend your day trying to spread FUD in this forum is just a strong signal that this is a good time to buy. Probably soon we will see an even better chance.

As soon as you low-activity-noobs start posting "to the moon" and that kind of euphoria-driven posts, then it will be the time to sell.

That strategy never failed, did you know?

Every now and then I click un-ignore just to immediately regret it. Won't fall for it this time though.

Hahaha, exactly the same here. I sometimes see those clusters of hidden comments (like the ones above, to which Rampion responded), and think "why did I put user XYZ on ignore again...?", click unhide, and go like "jup. that's why."


@Rampion

Good to see you in here again. And good to see you acting as a voice of reason, as always.

I will say one thing that is maybe not completely aligned to your thinking: we are still in a (pretty well established by now) bear market. If you buy in now, you're probably not going to regret it in a year from now, but alternatively, one can also bet on price still going lower.

Note, I'm not saying you shouldn't buy -- of course, everyone's buying (or trading) strategy is different. What I'm saying is, it's probably not a bad time to buy now *but* you might have to sit through another month or so of downward movement, so newcomers should be aware of that.





N12
donator
Activity: 1610
Merit: 1010
the network will come out MUCH stronger after this issue is solved.

My thoughts exactly. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.


I digress. What if it actually comes out weaker because merchants get turned off and decide not to adopt it.
Who cares about merchants? They only serve to increase liquidity and depress prices.

Bitcoin's true value is in its enforced scarcity bound to a digital asset with 0 counterparty risk.

On Rampion: I do remember him laughing at me and going "this time is different" back in the quadruple digits … Nobody's perfect. Cheesy
hero member
Activity: 728
Merit: 500
the network will come out MUCH stronger after this issue is solved.

My thoughts exactly. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.


I digress. What if it actually comes out weaker because merchants get turned off and decide not to adopt it.
legendary
Activity: 854
Merit: 1000
The market is reacting VERY maturely to a "major" issue: despite of devs trying to downplay the transaction malleability thing, the hard cold fact is that this limitation is being exploited right now to launch a DoS attack to the network which is slowing down (if not outright halting) the bitcoin economy. I've been sending coins to quite a few services for testing purposes (Bitstamp, Dgex, etc.) and all of my transfers were "mutated" and thus the coins were sent to the correct destination but they weren't credited to the corresponding accounts. Most transactions are delayed and big players such as Bitstamp, Gox or Coinbase are having problems tracking correctly the transactions.

Still BTC is trading well above $600 everywhere but Gox. This is a sign of strength in my book. Be prepared to buy, guys, because the network will come out MUCH stronger after this issue is solved.

(cross-posted in the Wall Observer).

Indeed!
legendary
Activity: 3990
Merit: 4460
You're never too old to think young.
the network will come out MUCH stronger after this issue is solved.

My thoughts exactly. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

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The fact you low-activity-noobs spend your day trying to spread FUD in this forum is just a strong signal that this is a good time to buy. Probably soon we will see an even better chance.

As soon as you low-activity-noobs start posting "to the moon" and that kind of euphoria-driven posts, then it will be the time to sell.

That strategy never failed, did you know?

LOL How true.
sr. member
Activity: 644
Merit: 250
The reaction is positive. No point in killing bitcoin for one bug. People worked their asses of so that bitcoin reach this stage and they won't let it down for one stupid bug.

BTW, Bitcoin didn't ever reach the 1.0.0 version Wink
newbie
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Merit: 0
The market is reacting VERY maturely to a "major" issue: despite of devs trying to downplay the transaction malleability thing, the hard cold fact is that this limitation is being exploited right now to launch a DoS attack to the network which is slowing down (if not outright halting) the bitcoin economy. I've been sending coins to quite a few services for testing purposes (Bitstamp, Dgex, etc.) and all of my transfers were "mutated" and thus the coins were sent to the correct destination but they weren't credited to the corresponding accounts. Most transactions are delayed and big players such as Bitstamp, Gox or Coinbase are having problems tracking correctly the transactions.

Still BTC is trading well above $600 everywhere but Gox. This is a sign of strength in my book. Be prepared to buy, guys, because the network will come out MUCH stronger after this issue is solved.

(cross-posted in the Wall Observer).

Couldn't agree more. Even with the state that Gox is in at the moment. If I was verified with them I would happily fund a purchase there. Ridiculously low coins for a site where the coins are historically more valued than the fiat.

I would suggest anything 650 and below will prove a very good buy
sr. member
Activity: 353
Merit: 250
The fact you low-activity-noobs spend your day trying to spread FUD in this forum is just a strong signal that this is a good time to buy. Probably soon we will see an even better chance.

As soon as you low-activity-noobs start posting "to the moon" and that kind of euphoria-driven posts, then it will be the time to sell.

That strategy never failed, did you know?

Every now and then I click un-ignore just to immediately regret it. Won't fall for it this time though.
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