Buying or selling bitcointalk account give you negative trust, agree ?

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Quote from: hilariousandco on November 02, 2017, 08:15:50 AM

And you can make good money from selling them too, hence why there's such a market, and even more so for hacked accounts (which take little time and effort to steal). Posting requires much time and effort too and not everyone is willing to or wants to do that.

My account farming was 2015. and I announced here that I stopped it so what's wrong ?
You think I hacked something ? Nope its not that, I created multiple accounts and posted with them I invest my time and not hacked anything, hacking is illegal.

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And you can make good money from selling them too, hence why there's such a market, and even more so for hacked accounts (which take little time and effort to steal). Posting requires much time and effort too and not everyone is willing to or wants to do that.

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I don't know why people even sell their accounts here, cause of the activity on the forum and participating in different kinds of campaigns can bring really good profit sometimes.

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Quote from: Bitcoin_BOy$ on November 02, 2017, 07:34:16 AM

I'm asking for a clear rules that should be voted and not everyone do whatever he think.

These are the guidelines:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/marketplace-trust-211858

Quote from: theymos on May 21, 2013, 06:23:33 AM

On feedback pages, you can leave trade feedback. There are no rules for this, but here are some guidelines:
- List all of the trades that you do with people (or at least the major ones). This is not like #bitcoin-otc where you give people just one score.
- Do not rate people based on the quality of their posts.
- Older ratings count for more, so don't delete old ratings if you can avoid it.
- "Risked BTC" is how much money you could have lost if the person you're rating had turned out to be a scammer. Or, if they are a scammer, it's how much you lost. Use the BTC value at the time of reporting.
- It's OK to post a rating about the person in general, not tied to a specific trade.
- If you want to make a rating stronger, increase "Risked BTC". 50 extra risked BTC is equivalent to an additional rating.

Most people here disagree with account farming/sales and especially if those accounts end up in the hands of scammers. Maybe you're innocent of selling them and they were in fact hacked but there's probably no way for either party to prove so without a doubt, but what is certain is those accounts were farmed via bots and have now been used to shill scams.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on November 02, 2017, 07:31:41 AM

Quote from: Bitcoin_BOy$ on November 02, 2017, 07:20:00 AM

You said that I posted a thread about a bug that allow bots to spam bitcoins because you posted that I owned multiple account, I show you the proof it was before you mention this you mention.

You posted it after you created this thread, but granted, not before you were exposed:

Buying or selling bitcointalk account give you negative trust, agree ?
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Re: Security bounties
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I have sent Theymos a PM.

But that is still irrelevant to the concern here.

Quote from: Bitcoin_BOy$ on November 02, 2017, 07:20:00 AM

And you're know comparing it with scamming, why not compare it to hacking and stealing there's no rule saying "Hacking someone account is illegal in this forum !". Is this a joke ? I still don't believe I got a negative trust just because I own multiple accounts. and I'm complaining about that until it get removed or mentioned neutral since its an opinion and not forum rules violation.

You're the one making the argument that account sales is not against the rules therefore the feedback is unjust. The feedback system is policed by the communiuty not the forum rules. How many times do you need this explaining?

You wrote about my accounts in Today at 08:52:08 AM I send the PM at Today at 08:16:06 AM
I'm asking for a clear rules that should be voted and not everyone do whatever he think.

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Quote from: Bitcoin_BOy$ on November 02, 2017, 07:20:00 AM

You said that I posted a thread about a bug that allow bots to spam bitcoins because you posted that I owned multiple account, I show you the proof it was before you mention this you mention.

You posted it after you created this thread, but granted, not before you were exposed:

Buying or selling bitcointalk account give you negative trust, agree ?
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Re: Security bounties
Today at 08:16:06 AM
Reply with quote #53
I have sent Theymos a PM.

But that is still irrelevant to the concern here.

Quote from: Bitcoin_BOy$ on November 02, 2017, 07:20:00 AM

And you're know comparing it with scamming, why not compare it to hacking and stealing there's no rule saying "Hacking someone account is illegal in this forum !". Is this a joke ? I still don't believe I got a negative trust just because I own multiple accounts. and I'm complaining about that until it get removed or mentioned neutral since its an opinion and not forum rules violation.

You're the one making the argument that account sales is not against the rules therefore the feedback is unjust. The feedback system is policed by the communiuty not the forum rules. How many times do you need this explaining?

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You said that I posted a thread about a bug that allow bots to spam bitcoins because you posted that I owned multiple account, I show you the proof it was before you mention this you mention. This seem to be endless. And you're know comparing it with scamming, why not compare it to hacking and stealing there's no rule saying "Hacking someone account is illegal in this forum !". Is this a joke ? I still don't believe I got a negative trust just because I own multiple accounts. and I'm complaining about that until it get removed or mentioned neutral since its an opinion and not forum rules violation.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on November 02, 2017, 07:08:41 AM

Again, scamming isn't against the rules but are you going to complain about scammers receiving negative feedback now just because it's not against the rules to scam? No, or course not.

Not unless he scams someone, thus the reason for which he is complaining now is obviously. QED.

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Stop double posting.

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There's a wide difference between opinion and feedback. Now I suspicious member, because someone opinion described as feedback

* An opinion is something that is a personal belief
* Feedback is much above than opinion, it is essential to the working and survival of all regulatory mechanisms (rules)

Giving a negative trust mean this member violating rules. In this case its just contrary to someone "opinions".

Feedback is left on opinion. It is Lauda's (and others) belief that account farming, account selling and cheating giveaways is immoral. Giving feedback is not just left for violating the rules either; it's left by users for practices the community feels are bad. Again, scamming isn't against the rules but are you going to complain about scammers receiving negative feedback now just because it's not against the rules to scam? No, or course not.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on November 02, 2017, 06:48:26 AM

Quote from: Bitcoin_BOy$ on November 02, 2017, 06:33:51 AM

Look the forum is not you and Lauda, just because he see that its illegal, he gave me negative trust, contrary to forum rules, which don't disallow it.
At the time I created this thread,
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.23914040
I sent Theymos a vulnerability that may keep bots away. At least I'm helping in this forum.
I'm not asking anyone to believe that I don't have any account now except this one, and I'm not an account seller. anyone who have a proof he shall gave it, or its better for him
to talk about something that may help this forum.

It wasn't contrary to the rules, there are no rules that prohibit users from leaving feedback against account sellers or farmers. I personally don't think the forum should allow accounts to be sold here anymore because it just facilitates scams and other such nefarious activity. If we disallowed account sales and removed signatures from ranks this whole shitshow would be stopped almost completely. And what does PMing theymos have to do with anything? Also, it's right after you've just been exposed for farming. What have you told him? Way's he can stop account farming via the way you did?

Quote from: Bitcoin_BOy$ on November 02, 2017, 06:33:51 AM

Trust system abusing, can lead this community to corrupt.

Yeah, and so can farming/selling accounts, which is what has happened to the ones you at least farmed, hence why you've got the feedback.

I created this thread (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.23914040) before anyone mentioned I have multiple accounts in the past (which is my right as I think!). I'm with that account farming then doing spamming signatures with them or selling them to scammers is bad. Still no clear reason why I get the feedback, just because someone think that having multiple accounts is bad!

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Quote from: Bitcoin_BOy$ on November 02, 2017, 06:33:51 AM

Look the forum is not you and Lauda, just because he see that its illegal, he gave me negative trust, contrary to forum rules, which don't disallow it.
At the time I created this thread,
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.23914040
I sent Theymos a vulnerability that may keep bots away. At least I'm helping in this forum.
I'm not asking anyone to believe that I don't have any account now except this one, and I'm not an account seller. anyone who have a proof he shall gave it, or its better for him
to talk about something that may help this forum.

It wasn't contrary to the rules, there are no rules that prohibit users from leaving feedback against account sellers or farmers. I personally don't think the forum should allow accounts to be sold here anymore because it just facilitates scams and other such nefarious activity. If we disallowed account sales and removed signatures from ranks this whole shitshow would be stopped almost completely. And what does PMing theymos have to do with anything? Also, it's right after you've just been exposed for farming. What have you told him? Way's he can stop account farming via the way you did?

Quote from: Bitcoin_BOy$ on November 02, 2017, 06:33:51 AM

Trust system abusing, can lead this community to corrupt.

Yeah, and so can farming/selling accounts, which is what has happened to the ones you at least farmed, hence why you've got the feedback.

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Quote from: Bitcoin_BOy$ on November 02, 2017, 06:33:51 AM

Look the forum is not you and Lauda, just because he see that its illegal, he gave me negative trust, contrary to forum rules, which don't disallow it.

The forum rules have almost nothing to do with the trust system, otherwise we wouldn't be tagging scammers either. If you had spent more time learning about the forum, rather than farming and shitposting from those accounts you would have known this.

Quote from: Bitcoin_BOy$ on November 02, 2017, 06:33:51 AM

At the time I created this thread,
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.23914040
I sent Theymos a vulnerability that may keep bots away. At least I'm helping in this forum.

That doesn't erase your previous (or current) actions.

Quote from: Bitcoin_BOy$ on November 02, 2017, 06:33:51 AM

Trust system abusing, can lead this community to corrupt.

Who are you to decide what is and what isn't abuse?

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Quote from: hilariousetc on November 02, 2017, 06:27:36 AM

Quote from: Bitcoin_BOy$ on November 02, 2017, 06:20:43 AM

Quote from: hilariousetc on November 02, 2017, 06:15:39 AM

That sounds like bullshit to me. I suspect it's very likely you're only concerned because someone has given an account you are involved with negative for such practice. Anyway, this thread has served it's purpose and you have got your answer: Yes, technically account sales are not disallowed as per forum rules, but also yes, the community usually looks down upon such business and many users will leave negative feedback if caught (which is not against the rules either nor will they be removed by admins). You have been caught and admitted farming accounts with bots which have then gone on to be used to scam or facilitate scams whether or not you are in fact directly involved with said scams or the sale of the accounts.

Laud Negative trust still don't have a SOLID reason, I'm not involved in accounts trading, and 777coin giveaway not prohibiting people to post in their thread.
I owned multiple accounts and that's legal. I asked for a clarification about account selling and that's legal too.

I really don't buy or believe your concern is limited to lauda just leaving bought/sold accounts negative feedback that have nothing to do with you. Anyway, as I've said above, account sales aren't against the rules but neither is scamming, but many users see it as nefarious activity and they are free to leave feedback as they wish.

Look the forum is not you and Lauda, just because he see that its illegal, he gave me negative trust, contrary to forum rules, which don't disallow it.
At the time I created this thread,
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.23914040
I sent Theymos a vulnerability that may keep bots away. At least I'm helping in this forum.
I'm not asking anyone to believe that I don't have any account now except this one, and I'm not an account seller. anyone who have a proof he shall gave it, or its better for him
to talk about something that may help this forum.

Trust system abusing, can lead this community to corrupt.

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Quote from: Bitcoin_BOy$ on November 02, 2017, 06:20:43 AM

Laud Negative trust still don't have a SOLID reason, I'm not involved in accounts trading, and 777coin giveaway not prohibiting people to post in their thread.
I owned multiple accounts and that's legal. I asked for a clarification about account selling and that's legal too.

It doesn't matter if it's legal or not, both account farming and abusing giveaways are frowned upon by the community. The trust system is also not moderated, therefore anyone can leave trust for whatever they consider justified. It's quite obvious that you made those accounts to solely abuse the giveaway thread, and was caught.

Now, what did you think was going to happen with this thread? You are a known account farmer, we know that you've abused giveaways. Therefore, I believe you've likely tried to abuse signature campaigns as well. You are also asking a question about selling accounts, when we know that you've farmed accounts in the past, if they have been stolen then why would you be asking this question?

I find it hard to believe that you would be concerned about newbies getting negative trust for selling accounts if you had nothing to do with it.

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Quote from: Bitcoin_BOy$ on November 02, 2017, 06:20:43 AM

Quote from: hilariousetc on November 02, 2017, 06:15:39 AM

That sounds like bullshit to me. I suspect it's very likely you're only concerned because someone has given an account you are involved with negative for such practice. Anyway, this thread has served it's purpose and you have got your answer: Yes, technically account sales are not disallowed as per forum rules, but also yes, the community usually looks down upon such business and many users will leave negative feedback if caught (which is not against the rules either nor will they be removed by admins). You have been caught and admitted farming accounts with bots which have then gone on to be used to scam or facilitate scams whether or not you are in fact directly involved with said scams or the sale of the accounts.

Laud Negative trust still don't have a SOLID reason, I'm not involved in accounts trading, and 777coin giveaway not prohibiting people to post in their thread.
I owned multiple accounts and that's legal. I asked for a clarification about account selling and that's legal too.

I really don't buy or believe your concern is limited to lauda just leaving bought/sold accounts negative feedback that have nothing to do with you and you just wanted a quick rule check. I think you are involved in some way hence the concern. Anyway, as I've said above, account sales aren't against the rules but neither is scamming, but many users see it as nefarious activity and they are free to leave feedback as they wish.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on November 02, 2017, 06:15:39 AM

That sounds like bullshit to me. I suspect it's very likely you're only concerned because someone has given an account you are involved with negative for such practice. Anyway, this thread has served it's purpose and you have got your answer: Yes, technically account sales are not disallowed as per forum rules, but also yes, the community usually looks down upon such business and many users will leave negative feedback if caught (which is not against the rules either nor will they be removed by admins). You have been caught and admitted farming accounts with bots which have then gone on to be used to scam or facilitate scams whether or not you are in fact directly involved with said scams or the sale of the accounts.

Laud Negative trust still don't have a SOLID reason, I'm not involved in accounts trading, and 777coin giveaway not prohibiting people to post in their thread.
I owned multiple accounts and that's legal. I asked for a clarification about account selling and that's legal too.

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That sounds like bullshit to me. I suspect it's very likely you're only concerned because someone has given an account you are involved with negative for such practice. Anyway, this thread has served it's purpose and you have got your answer: Yes, technically account sales are not disallowed as per forum rules, but also yes, the community usually looks down upon such business and many users will leave negative feedback if caught (which is not against the rules either nor will they be removed by admins). You have been caught and admitted farming accounts with bots which have then gone on to be used to scam or facilitate scams whether or not you are in fact directly involved with said scams or the sale of the accounts.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on November 02, 2017, 05:53:32 AM

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I somehow doubt you're the only user on here from whatever country you're in, but I'm sure you used proxies so IPs are irrelevant. And yes, you could have denied them being yours so I'll give you that, but there is proof that they belong to you:

All of those accounts have same IP as mine, where is your proof that I used proxies ?

I don't have any and only admins have access to that info, but it's irrelevant. If you sold the accounts then of course they will be using different IPs. Again, why are you avoiding the question of why you created this thread? You're obviously hiding something. Why are you concerned about the rules and etiquette of feedback on sold/bought accounts.

I described in the thread, That the goal is to know simply: account selling is allowed or not allowed.
I saw Lauda giving users in invites and accounts board negative trust like rain, So I opened this thread. And I mentioned to that we should treat any trust system abusing,
in the first post I wrote. So I think you know now why I created this thread, Just because of the negative trust being sending by Lauda without solid reason.

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Quote from: Bitcoin_BOy$ on November 02, 2017, 05:47:12 AM

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I somehow doubt you're the only user on here from whatever country you're in, but I'm sure you used proxies so IPs are irrelevant. And yes, you could have denied them being yours so I'll give you that, but there is proof that they belong to you:

All of those accounts have same IP as mine, where is your proof that I used proxies ?

I don't have any and only admins have access to that info, but it's irrelevant. If you sold the accounts then of course they will be using different IPs. Again, why are you avoiding the question of why you created this thread? You're obviously hiding something. Why are you concerned about the rules and etiquette of feedback on sold/bought accounts.

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Quote from: Bitcoin_BOy$ on November 02, 2017, 05:44:57 AM

About this thread https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/escrowing-on-demand-1938190
You set a definition for your self as a trustworthy user that can perform escrow, ridiculous!
My respect to blazed and other members in the thread.

Quote from: hilariousetc on November 02, 2017, 05:45:31 AM

I wouldn't be against limiting accounts to one per IP even though it can easily be bypassed, but it would stop half of these idiots kids who have 100 accounts on one IP and couldn't even work out how to use a proxy.

This forum needs to stop with the "If we can't stop all possible cases of something, let's not try stopping it at all" mentality, thus naturally I agree with you.

Quote from: hilariousetc on November 02, 2017, 05:45:31 AM

Personally, I think a better solution would be for signatures to be removed from ranks completely and to have one you have to donate to the forum. This would instantly stop all this nonsense with shitposting account farming and account sales almost 100%.

This remains a distant dream while theymos sits on several millions.

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