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Quote from: QuintLeo on September 13, 2016, 04:41:56 PM

Innosilicon - once they actually start shipping the A4.

Avalon - if and when they actually release the A7 and start shipping it.

Bitmain has just been taking advantage of a TEMPORARY "no significant competiton" timeframe.

I think the A4 and A7 are being shipped to institutional buyers. That is much less service cost for the manufacturers.

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Quote from: QuintLeo on September 13, 2016, 04:41:56 PM

Innosilicon - once they actually start shipping the A4.

Avalon - if and when they actually release the A7 and start shipping it.

Bitmain has just been taking advantage of a TEMPORARY "no significant competiton" timeframe.

All of them have been so vague with their estimations of when their miners are being shipped that I'd just give up and say that it'll take at least 4 months for anything worth mentioning to appear on the market for consumers. Bitmain's expensive-ass miner method seems to be working for them. Avalon's looking promising, but then again, we never know. Innosilicon actually looks pretty decent as of now, but unless they delay any further, they're in the Avalon boat.
Huge lull in new miners as of now that aren't bitmain, not the best situation.

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Innosilicon - once they actually start shipping the A4.

Avalon - if and when they actually release the A7 and start shipping it.

Bitmain has just been taking advantage of a TEMPORARY "no significant competiton" timeframe.

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Quote from: asradoni on September 13, 2016, 02:44:53 AM

Quote from: alh on July 18, 2016, 11:36:28 AM

Quote from: fusion0389 on July 18, 2016, 07:16:29 AM

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I guess that's something that I've never really understood, money is money who cares whether it comes from the hobby miner or the massive Bitcoin farmer? That would be disappointing if a avalon stopped selling to the public.

The primary reason is that the after-sale support is distinctly different for individual purchasers and large installations. Individuals many times have problems that really have little to do with the actual mining hardware. Could be Power Supply, Internet access, cooling, whatever. They also have to worry about individual repair and parts replacement. Most of the issues go away when it's a larger enterprise.

that is right. So the miner producers would like to sell the miners to big farms. As the support requirement is much lower.

I don't blame them. Bitmain is the only company willing to sale to small miners. Look at all the crap they take from people on this forum. If it wasn't for them small miners would be a thing of the past.

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Quote from: alh on July 18, 2016, 11:36:28 AM

Quote from: fusion0389 on July 18, 2016, 07:16:29 AM

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I guess that's something that I've never really understood, money is money who cares whether it comes from the hobby miner or the massive Bitcoin farmer? That would be disappointing if a avalon stopped selling to the public.

The primary reason is that the after-sale support is distinctly different for individual purchasers and large installations. Individuals many times have problems that really have little to do with the actual mining hardware. Could be Power Supply, Internet access, cooling, whatever. They also have to worry about individual repair and parts replacement. Most of the issues go away when it's a larger enterprise.

that is right. So the miner producers would like to sell the miners to big farms. As the support requirement is much lower.

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Quote from: alh on July 18, 2016, 11:36:28 AM

Quote from: fusion0389 on July 18, 2016, 07:16:29 AM

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I guess that's something that I've never really understood, money is money who cares whether it comes from the hobby miner or the massive Bitcoin farmer? That would be disappointing if a avalon stopped selling to the public.

The primary reason is that the after-sale support is distinctly different for individual purchasers and large installations. Individuals many times have problems that really have little to do with the actual mining hardware. Could be Power Supply, Internet access, cooling, whatever. They also have to worry about individual repair and parts replacement. Most of the issues go away when it's a larger enterprise.

That's a good point, but the cost of customer service is usually accounted for in the price difference between consumer and enterprise pricing. Very curious to see how this all plays out.

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Quote from: fusion0389 on July 18, 2016, 07:16:29 AM

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I guess that's something that I've never really understood, money is money who cares whether it comes from the hobby miner or the massive Bitcoin farmer? That would be disappointing if a avalon stopped selling to the public.

The primary reason is that the after-sale support is distinctly different for individual purchasers and large installations. Individuals many times have problems that really have little to do with the actual mining hardware. Could be Power Supply, Internet access, cooling, whatever. They also have to worry about individual repair and parts replacement. Most of the issues go away when it's a larger enterprise.

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Quote from: QuintLeo on July 13, 2016, 11:54:11 PM

Don't hold your breath for the Avalon 7.

(1) Caanan was VERY late to even start development on 14/16nm - they'll get there per their latest announcements, BUT
(2) There is some significant question if their new owner will let them continue to sell to the public (no definitive announcement either way on that).

I'd guess 4Q and likely LATE 4Q for an Avalon 7 to go on sale, IF it happens.

I guess that's something that I've never really understood, money is money who cares whether it comes from the hobby miner or the massive Bitcoin farmer? That would be disappointing if a avalon stopped selling to the public.

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Don't hold your breath for the Avalon 7.

(1) Caanan was VERY late to even start development on 14/16nm - they'll get there per their latest announcements, BUT
(2) There is some significant question if their new owner will let them continue to sell to the public (no definitive announcement either way on that).

I'd guess 4Q and likely LATE 4Q for an Avalon 7 to go on sale, IF it happens.

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Quote from: topiOleg on July 13, 2016, 11:32:56 AM

Quote from: HagssFIN on July 11, 2016, 02:41:42 PM

I'm surprised that with the 14nm process it is so less efficient than the S9.
It is more like a competitor for the S7 and the Avalon6.

Of course we must keep in mind that this is not the newest miner from BW.com.
The latest one that I've heard of is BW.com B16, but I haven't seen any pics or detailed specs about it.
All I know that the advertised efficiency for the B16 is 0.149J/GHs.

Im very surprised as well, even B16 0.15 J/GHs effeciency is 50% worse than the S9. I thought asicboost improvenment (or how they call the patented modification) gives only around +20%. Very interesting, and the S9 looks like it is going to be the most effecient gear for very long time.

Hopefully the Avalon 7 changes that.

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Quote from: HagssFIN on July 11, 2016, 02:41:42 PM

I'm surprised that with the 14nm process it is so less efficient than the S9.
It is more like a competitor for the S7 and the Avalon6.

Of course we must keep in mind that this is not the newest miner from BW.com.
The latest one that I've heard of is BW.com B16, but I haven't seen any pics or detailed specs about it.
All I know that the advertised efficiency for the B16 is 0.149J/GHs.

Im very surprised as well, even B16 0.15 J/GHs effeciency is 50% worse than the S9. I thought asicboost improvenment (or how they call the patented modification) gives only around +20%. Very interesting, and the S9 looks like it is going to be the most effecient gear for very long time.

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They're still trying to pay back the cloud contracts on B11 and B12 so I guess they are just mining internally. They've been saying any public miner sales will be listed on the website since December 2015 so I wouldn't expect it.

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I emailed them again:

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Hi!
I see that you recently updated the miner page at BW.com.
When can we expect a public release of the miner?

They answered:

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HI ~
we are miners has no release and if the sale will be published on the web site price.
thx for your questions!

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Quote from: wlefever on July 12, 2016, 08:23:23 AM

Quote from: d57heinz on July 12, 2016, 04:15:47 AM

Quote from: carlosmnk on July 11, 2016, 11:23:21 PM

OMG, i'm the only one that can see the same case style, the same heatsink and the same design hashboard and configuration than S7(135 chips)/S9???

I think it's too early today for me... Grin

Lol. Same thoughts exactly. Cheesy

Seems why reinvent the wheel. I just wish we had someone with something to compete with s9.

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Except this does 5 Th/s under 1000 watts

which beats the s-7 and loses soundly to the s-9

this is a 'free' power miner.

I think July is going to be a waiting game for price and diff movement.

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Quote from: d57heinz on July 12, 2016, 04:15:47 AM

Quote from: carlosmnk on July 11, 2016, 11:23:21 PM

OMG, i'm the only one that can see the same case style, the same heatsink and the same design hashboard and configuration than S7(135 chips)/S9???

I think it's too early today for me... Grin

Lol. Same thoughts exactly. Cheesy

Seems why reinvent the wheel. I just wish we had someone with something to compete with s9.

Best regards
D57heinz

Except this does 5 Th/s under 1000 watts

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Quote from: carlosmnk on July 11, 2016, 11:23:21 PM

OMG, i'm the only one that can see the same case style, the same heatsink and the same design hashboard and configuration than S7(135 chips)/S9???

I think it's too early today for me... Grin

Lol. Same thoughts exactly. Cheesy

Seems why reinvent the wheel. I just wish we had someone with something to compete with s9.

Best regards
D57heinz

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OMG, i'm the only one that can see the same case style, the same heatsink and the same design hashboard and configuration than S7(135 chips)/S9???

I think it's too early today for me... Grin

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If it would be possible to get efficient results with undervolting and underclocking, it would be tempting

In March 22 I asked BW.com if they are going for a public release with their miner and this the answer I got, I posted it in this thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14280444

Quote from: HagssFIN on March 22, 2016, 07:39:38 AM

I was curious about the new miner, so I asked BW about it via e-mail.
And I even got a response pretty quickly.

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Response:
Yes of course. the general release of the new miner is sure to be, but the timing is not yet known exactly.
Our staffer, who deals with these issues now is not in the office.
as will appear more detailed information about it we will tell you, the main thing that you reminded about it in advance

Original message:
Hi! Is BW going to make a general release of the newest (14nm?) miner like
Bitmain has made with Antminer S7 and Canaan Creative has done with Avalon6?
Seems like it would perform more efficiently than these miners above, which
would be great news for miners.

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Quote from: HagssFIN on July 11, 2016, 02:41:42 PM

BW.com B11-PLUS
https://www.bw.com/pool/miner

I'm surprised that with the 14nm process it is so less efficient than the S9.
It is more like a competitor for the S7 and the Avalon6.

Of course we must keep in mind that this is not the newest miner from BW.com.
The latest one that I've heard of is BW.com B16, but I haven't seen any pics or detailed specs about it.
All I know that the advertised efficiency for the B16 is 0.149J/GHs.
https://www.bw.com/bsixteen

could be competitive if they price it below $440. Do they sell internationally?
If so, instructions have to be in English.

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BW.com B11-PLUS
https://www.bw.com/pool/miner

I'm surprised that with the 14nm process it is so less efficient than the S9.
It is more like a competitor for the S7 and the Avalon6.

Of course we must keep in mind that this is not the newest miner from BW.com.
The latest one that I've heard of is BW.com B16, but I haven't seen any pics or detailed specs about it.
All I know that the advertised efficiency for the B16 is 0.149J/GHs.
https://www.bw.com/bsixteen

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