Topic: Calculating Satoshi's coins - page 3. (Read 1139 times)

I'm not really following you. I'm not saying you are wrong but just trying to understand how it becomes a 2^128 problem??

I can get the x and y coordinates from any public key, but that doesn't make it easier to find/shrink the problem to 2^128. So please explain how you think it does.

Unless you are talking 2^128 group ops, which you need to/should specify as to not mislead people reading your posts.

And using Kangaroo doesn't shrink anything except speed up a search versus a brute force attack.

Unused hashed addresses: 2^256 problem (or 2^160 ripemd)
= impossible to solve as of today

Satoshi's coins include the x and y coordinates of the public keys. Although they are 256 bit, with Pollard's kangaroo they are a 2^128 problem.
= nearly impossible to solve

And we want to build with that project a network, that makes it possible.

Didn't find an explanation in the second post. Do you want to crack a 128 bit key?
In the puzzle you pointed to, only the 63 bit key is cracked. And 120 with a public key.
Where does the data come from that the first addresses have 128 bits?

That is the project. In the 2nd post you can read it and it will be updated.

how do you plan to get Satoshi coins?

Thank you for your reply. Yes, we know that. It was only an example to explain the project.

In the project, Satoshi's coins will be calculated. They contain 50 BTC per address. Satoshi marked them, so we can know which addresses these are. You can read here
https://bitslog.com/2019/04/16/the-return-of-the-deniers-and-the-revenge-of-patoshi/
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/chain-archaeology-answers-from-the-early-blockchain-507458
if you want to know how it is possible to differ them.

Soon, we will update the 2nd post with some example addresses.

These addresses you are referring to are the puzzle transactions and Satoshi did not make them. Therefore, it is not useful to use properties like mining reward amounts, and especially tokens, as clues because they have no relation to the private keys at hand.

The only known clue, is that each private key is between 2**n and 2**(n+1)-1.

I will have to spend some time on that! haha

Thanks for your reply pooya87. Yes, you are right, normal addresses are a 2^256 problem. But Satoshi's coins are special, a 2^128 problem. You can see it here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-puzzle-transaction-32-btc-prize-to-who-solves-it-1306983 how they solve it.

In a normal key pair the private key is 256 bits and is selected in the correct secp256k1 range randomly so it is impossible to find it from the public key due to the massive search size that would take millions of years to search even when you share the work among all computing power in the world.

In a puzzle on the other hand the private keys are small from 1 bit to tens of bits and are meant to be searched and found in a short time. Faster if you share it among more people.

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Five years ago, a Bitcoin puzzle was discovered https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-puzzle-transaction-32-btc-prize-to-who-solves-it-1306983 and people are trying to calculate private keys of addresses that have different difficulties.

We want to build a network, like the Bitcoin network, where instead of hashing the next block, the nodes will calculate distinguished points of the elliptic curve that Bitcoin uses for its addresses.

And this network will include Satoshi's mined coins. Hopefully we can calculate them and bring them back.


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How will it work?

If we solve a Satoshi's coinbase, which consists of 50 BTC, 25 BTC will go to the node that calculated the distinguished point and with the other 25 BTC, we will buy the interaction token. The price of the interaction token will be an indicator for the success of that project and the participating nodes can optimize their reward with that token.

As interaction token for that project, we will use ADAB token (ETH Contract: 0x034b0dd380b5f6f8123b8d0d0e42329b67772792). The initial project https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4720775.0) that should become a crypto exchange, doesn't exist anymore, we think that they had licensing problems. We invested in that project, the tokens have a good distribution and the market cap is < $100,000 (06/Jul/2021).

Exchange: Bitforex - pair ADAB/ETH https://www.bitforex.com/en/spot/adab_eth (09/Jul/2021 BitForex has hidden ADAB https://support.bitforex.com/hc/en-us/articles/4404391011853-Announcement-of-Hiding-22-Inactive-Tokens-and-28-Trading-Pairs)

It will take a certain time to build up that network, which will be a large database.


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How will you be rewarded?

With the interaction token. Anyone can buy, sell, invest in that token. As already said, ADAB token will indicate the success of this project.


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How can we be sure that the nodes will receive their reward and that the initial token will be bought after solving a coinbase?

We could keep the coins. But we could do this one time, as nobody would trust in that project anymore.


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How can we know that the coins we calculate are Satoshi's coins?

Satoshi marked his mined coins.
https://bitslog.com/2019/04/16/the-return-of-the-deniers-and-the-revenge-of-patoshi/
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/chain-archaeology-answers-from-the-early-blockchain-507458


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What, if Satoshi wants us to stop that project?

If Satoshi signs a message with the private keys for addresses that we will publish here for our calculations, we will stop the project immediately.


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Here are some examples of Satoshi's addresses (all coinbase 50 BTC - year 2009) - there are > 20,000 Satoshi blocks with > 1,000,000 BTC

Block   Address
5168   1BeGnS32fmE8519HS4MZNzEXNF9qac2aZe
5746   1MrtaEbkfz6fRaZdZkxgVKmaErVyjAVBvd
6293   1qqJ811Y5BGZ6FmvXqWWAY2ZYpC1WTAwo
6881   1XFBaNuVc8adgHzW4ofkZ4LpnzmGZLFtj
7443   12yTBHcmSx8EkfwLSS4CxeN8d9mqZBN9EM
8044   1Ev7PmfSL8N2a8iK6mTEKVcXZYpT2WvcAp
8644   12j55m8ujDYdMRzeF9tEhoDJxHeaeSPFmR
9205   1EpMerLUAURc6pFUgPFnA1ktGhPPJW9UHp
9778   1NgbX9h8PauV62Gd4ZnaD4VRAVFVmU9YnZ
10353   1Ccg7vDQECRw86UwLKqwqJxgBJLLTRjLKt
11067   1GfHRDwooUCdq4HhTdqDyDTy1RQXsKqhjA
11625   17RDjaCwTfrGJJWBNbz8P8gM86gejgTsjD


These addresses are special addresses (here 12 of them, there are ~100). They are the last coinbase addresses, before Satoshi resets his miner (the related values, like the ExtraNonce, go to 0). These points are on top of a blue line, which reflect Satoshi's coins. More here: https://bitslog.com/2019/04/16/the-return-of-the-deniers-and-the-revenge-of-patoshi/




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