Campaign Management Website for Bitcointalk Signature Campaigns (idea)

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Quote from: LTU_btc on December 03, 2019, 04:33:22 PM

I don't think that such platforms are needed when he have some highly trusted campaign managers who are doing their job very well.
These things which help to make work more automated might be useful, but it won't work without good manager. Yobit/Cryptotalk is best example of it. Automated post counting disadvantages, because it counts even bumps and manager is needed to mark these posts as not eligible for payment.
I don't who would use such platform and would pay for it, because most managers are doing this job themselves without any issues.

Yes because no matter how good a system you make you will always need human intervention to make sure that the quality of campaigns are upto date and that is the reason why we have some great campaign managers in the community. A website that would do this cannot guarantee the quality unless they have some experienced managers who are are the real gems and make these campaigns work with ease.

Yes, you can maybe collaborate with these high quality managers and take this to the next level with their experience and your technology.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on December 04, 2019, 03:17:50 PM

But I really can't tell did these campaigns on bounty portals were better at any aspects than traditional campaigns.

I remember bountyhive and bountyhunters.io. This last one caused the ban of all its sig participants because of "spam boosting". The nuked profiles were victims of their ignorance as they had been asked to post in a specific topic once per week to be eligible for paiement. I don't know if they were even paid after loosing their accounts.
Other platforms are not expected to be better, as there is no real need for them at all.

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Quote from: Joel_Jantsen on December 03, 2019, 06:30:03 PM

Quote from: LTU_btc on December 03, 2019, 04:33:22 PM

I don't think that such platforms are needed when he have some highly trusted campaign managers who are doing their job very well.

Have you seen the altcoin campaign sections? We do have highly trusted campaign managers but not highly trusted campaigns. Also, such a platform is a terrible idea. We did have some very sophisticated automatic post counting and enrollment campaigns but then again they always had a manager accompanying to find spammers.

I'm not following what's going on altcoin section lately, but I know about what you're talking about. Big part of altcoin campaigns is scam or waste of time. I remember there was some bounty portals like BountyHive. I haven't used it, but from what I understand it's something similar what OP is planning to offer, he just focusing on Bitcoin campaigns. But I really can't tell did these campaigns on bounty portals were better at any aspects than traditional campaigns.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on December 03, 2019, 04:33:22 PM

I don't think that such platforms are needed when he have some highly trusted campaign managers who are doing their job very well.

Have you seen the altcoin campaign sections? We do have highly trusted campaign managers but not highly trusted campaigns. Also, such a platform is a terrible idea. We did have some very sophisticated automatic post counting and enrollment campaigns but then again they always had a manager accompanying to find spammers.

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I don't think that such platforms are needed when he have some highly trusted campaign managers who are doing their job very well.
These things which help to make work more automated might be useful, but it won't work without good manager. Yobit/Cryptotalk is best example of it. Automated post counting disadvantages, because it counts even bumps and manager is needed to mark these posts as not eligible for payment.
I don't who would use such platform and would pay for it, because most managers are doing this job themselves without any issues.

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Quote from: lugrugzo on November 29, 2019, 05:09:44 AM

What do you think?

It's a big mess from every possible angle ^[IMHO].

Quote from: lugrugzo on November 29, 2019, 08:28:42 AM

The "bad" participants will not be flagged automatically, instead, they will be flagged by campaign managers.

In short, your platform isn't needed for such tasks.

Quote from: lugrugzo on November 29, 2019, 08:28:42 AM

For post quality, the system is not automatically checking for post quality, they will be checked by a company individual using website (I have should note this). The advantage is they will have a nice UI and functionality instead of checking from forum page by page.

In this kind of service you never make this service 100% automatic, there should always be a person who checks for quality, but it can be a person from company since it'll be easy to manage for them using the dashboard.

By "Company individual/person", you mean who exactly?

Quote from: akamit on November 29, 2019, 01:52:45 PM

If the answer is positive than a tool for the signature campaign may save time & efforts for the managers.

The end result is "always" different when an automated system of some kind is in place ^{[leads to more time being wasted for fixing a system that didn't need adjustments in the first place]}...

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Quote from: rosezionjohn on December 01, 2019, 11:04:09 AM

This is like a bountyhive, bounty0x, or bountysuite type of platform but it will only focus on signature campaigns? I've encountered many signature participants using the bounty platforms I mentioned in the past. A lot of them were just copying posts from somewhere or using text spinners and still getting weekly stakes.

I don't think it will be any different with the platform you are trying to build.

That's not the platform's fault, it's the manager's. The platform still facilitates banning, counting, getting stats about participants (merits, activity, signature changes, etc.).

I do agree, however, that if OP is planning to build something similar to these services, then his platform has to be better.

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Quote from: shield132 on November 30, 2019, 12:25:15 PM

Idea is good

Idea is not at all good in my view. It sounds like OP wants to be a campaign manager (and escrow too) all of sudden just by having a website.

Quote from: lugrugzo on November 29, 2019, 05:09:44 AM

Company side:
* Campaign creating by the company authored person
* Managing participants (accepting, rejecting, banning etc)
* Global pool of scammers or low-quality users
* Automatic tracking of post counts, valid signatures/URLs in profile etc.
* Automatic btc payment to the users (if enabled)

No valid feature included in my understanding when considering against the current system.
- Campaigns are being created and managed by reputed managers. It means there will be no new advantages to a company.
- Mangers are having and maintaining their own spammer list. After merits, overall posting quality of this forum is improving; there will be no need of this as if anyone spam they may get stuck with current rank level.
- There will be no need of tracing post counts time to time but signatures. There are free tools available to take snapshot of profiles for every one 10 minutes or at whatever time frame.
- Manual payment processing is not a big task still most companies are making payments through managers. It means automated payments will not be doing anything new for companies.

Quote from: lugrugzo on November 29, 2019, 05:09:44 AM

Participant side:
* Applying to a campaign through the web site
* Getting automatic payments if successful at providing conditions for that period of campaign
* Users will be able to see all the ongoing campaigns and choose one to participate

I need to check your website time to time rather than visiting services section of this forum. Other than this, I am not finding any differences/advantages.

Quote from: lugrugzo on November 29, 2019, 08:28:42 AM

The advantage is they will have a nice UI and functionality instead of checking from forum page by page.

If you are able to deliver such one, you may try to market that to managers as it would be handy for them.

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This is like a bountyhive, bounty0x, or bountysuite type of platform but it will only focus on signature campaigns? I've encountered many signature participants using the bounty platforms I mentioned in the past. A lot of them were just copying posts from somewhere or using text spinners and still getting weekly stakes.

I don't think it will be any different with the platform you are trying to build.

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I am quite confused OP talking about Bitcointalk signature campaign or on his website ? If you are talking signature campaign of this forum then why people will go to your site or why companies will go to your site. What is the problem if they directly come on forum and advertise themselves? So will your website will act as a escrow ? If not then who will responsible for payment if companies do not pay? Why we should trust you? I think btc signature campaign isn't monitoring by any automated system. Perhaps shitcoin signature could use it and manager have tolls for that. They don't need to use your website.

If you want then try your luck but it's not going to work IMO. Do you know why every companies find for a reputed manager even they could manage by themselves?

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Some bounty managers have their own website and even though they have a website there's not much of a difference. One thing I see good in having a website is there would be less signature campaign threads getting bumped. The way signature campaigns are currently managed imo still fine if not better than having a website since there's still downsides to both.

Quote from: shield132 on November 30, 2019, 12:25:15 PM

Or how will you fix late payments?

It's impossible for OP to fix the problem with late payments as Brewmaster mentioned about everything being put in one site all it takes is one problem like downtime for all campaigns to get affected as well.

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They're several Campaign management softwares/platforms. I've seen some of them been used for managing campaigns. While these platforms are different, they all come short at some point. Reasons include shitload of spam. To top it all up, It becomes difficult to manage those databases and even more difficult keep things under control since most of the tasks are automated.

While the Overview of Signature Campaigns thread isn't the 'best', I'm quite sure of one thing, It does get the job done.

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It's so funny, you want companies to create signature campaigns without 3rd parties but at the same time what you offer is 100% use of 3rd party services.
Idea is good, one person had thread in project development section and he was going to do the same (it was on idea's level) but for campaign managers to make their work easier.
Bitmixer had automatic tracking of post counts but still they had Lauda as a campaign manager. In overall, at the begining campaign manager is very essential to choose good participants and then it will be okey to use automatic service but that's my opinion.
Automatic btc payments means users have to trust you which isn't that easy to gain. But without automatic payments, anyone can offer signature campaigns and keep option to pay themselves but how will you get rid of scammers? Or how will you fix late payments?

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it is a bad idea in my opinion because it centralizes things to "your website/service" alone whereas right now things are more decentralized than that and it is a good thing.
if you look around, there are multiple different individuals that handle escrow, campaign management, list of scammers and other banned users,... and all things are happening in a more transparent way. that eliminates a lot of abuse and possible problems.

centralizing it to one place means that if some day that one place had some problems (eg. the owner had an accident or maybe pulled a scammed and ran away) it will damage every single person that is participating in a campaign or the businesses that run it.

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Quote from: Patatas on November 30, 2019, 03:11:44 AM

Does that “ Campaign Management Website” reminds you of bitcointalk? I mean bitcointalk offers everything else but doing automated payments and signature checks. It was the biggest global pool of scammers given their trust ratings. Good and bad managers list. Threads are maintained upto date with the latest running campaigns. Don’t know why would you need a different bitcointalk.

It seems like he wants to bring an earning opportunity for himself so he wanted to make the things outside of the forum with the name called X company signature management service. Grin

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Does that “ Campaign Management Website” reminds you of bitcointalk? I mean bitcointalk offers everything else but doing automated payments and signature checks. It was the biggest global pool of scammers given their trust ratings. Good and bad managers list. Threads are maintained upto date with the latest running campaigns. Don’t know why would you need a different bitcointalk.

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Quote from: akamit on November 29, 2019, 01:52:45 PM

... and when a campaign launched that has to be under a reputable manager (familiar names), not just a random person whom we cannot trust.

That's a good point.
I remember bountyhunters.io hunting platform. All who participated in a signature managed by them have been nuked for boosting.

Even you build the perfect tools to manage signature campaigns or can build the best platform, you have to be a reputed active forum member [the hardest task for anybody willing to make profit from our forum] .

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Hilarious, Yahoo, Lauda - they can tell us more about this semi-automation tool. If the campaign managing with a tool is easy or not, if it saves time or it takes more time or in other words just pain or awesome.
Afaik, Hilarious managed Yobit campaign, Lauda managed Bitmixer and currently Yahoo is managing Cryptotalk with a semi-automation tool.

If the answer is positive than a tool for the signature campaign may save time & efforts for the managers.

In my opinion, there can be tools for managing signature campaigns and when a campaign launched that has to be under a reputable manager (familiar names), not just a random person whom we cannot trust.

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Quote from: OmegaStarScream on November 29, 2019, 12:39:56 PM

If I'm not mistaken, they didn't have any limits for how many posts you can make, nor boards where posts don't count, and that made it spammy.

They had 20 posts will be paid max for a day then they reduced to 10 and then 5 (currently if I am not mistaken),but I feel that their auto accepting feature was the problem then number of posts because for a quality poster it is not had to make 10 posts per day which is worth reading but bounty hunters took advantage of auto acceptance and made this forum into ocean of spam so acceptance will never have to be automatic it should be manual by the campaign manager or quality checker.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on November 29, 2019, 11:20:01 AM

So what is the difference in this idea from the current working model, it will just add more work and expense for the same thing right?

If we automate the things then see what is happening with cryptotalk signature campaign, the manager has to ban hundreds of accounts manually after they joined into campaigns.

Cryptotalk's campaign was chaotic (before recruiting Yahoo as a post-quality checker) because of the rules and not because of the automatic system (not entirely at least). If I'm not mistaken, they didn't have any limits for how many posts you can make, nor boards where posts don't count, and that made it spammy.

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