Topic: [CampBX.com] Need Help to Get My $2364 back from CampBX.com - page 2. (Read 6341 times)

MtGox support guys never stopped replying to me at any moment, I just didn't try to contact with them but only try to contact with Mark in the first several month. I am waiting for you email. 

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Miernik,
        I think we are both saying the same thing: MtGox did not lock the account - Dwolla did.

My point is that MtGox support guys may not be aware of what Mark said on the forum, because they stopped replying to XZ.  It took months of collective effort including PM to Mark to obtain a written clarification about the ownership of money from both MtGox and Dwolla.


Xiong,
      Our lawyer is exploring options of what to do with the money.  Most likely we will end up turning it over to a GA state or Fulton county agency and you can follow the due to process to claim it from them.  I will send you an email when we complete this hand-off.

Thank you,
      Keyur

The procedure is like this:

A) Take you passport and have it notarized, you don't need anything from the police station as it won't help and they are legally capable of issuing such a document under Chinese law.
B) Go to the local government and have the document sent for legalization (认证） at the foreign ministry in Beijing.
C) EXPRESS ship documents to CampBx as legalization expires after a set period.

The above procedure works for papers for processing visas, international marriages being registered in multiple countries, having contracts notarized in multiple countries etc and should be beyond any kind of questioning from anybody.

Keyur @ Camp BX, are you telling us the truth here?

In this post from 2011-08-01 18:14:25:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=33197.0;all#msg418381
Mark Karpeles writes that:

"We won't lock the account, as nothing was lost."

"Anyway in this case Xiong Zhuang told us exactly how to get the funds back (cancelling the LR withdraw, thru crediting $2000 to his account, solving the negative balance and setting everything right). There is nothing else for us to do here."

This shows that Xiong Zhuang balances with MtGox where clear and approved by MtGox's owner after the mess with the bug.

Keyur @ Camp BX, would you care to comment?

Are you trying to make it appear that the fund were stolen from MtGox, where in fact they where not?

That is all completely separate from the question of Xiong Zhuang identity document being real or not. No matter what great KYC teams you have, you can not completely prove that a document is fake - the only entity who can definitively judge that a passport is forged is the government that issued it. The only thing your KYC team can is suspect that a document is forged and not accept it (same as if the person didn't submit any document). And you can't refuse to return funds based on pure suspicion. If the person can not sufficiently prove his identity to your satisfaction, the only thing you can do is to refuse doing business with the individual, which means to return the funds to the account they came from (refuse to exchange).

Remember: anyone is innocent until proven guilty. At least in the civilized world.

Thank you for your help.

As CampBX.com cut me some snack on the early mistakes I made I think the primary problem now is about the document I submitted.

I will check the police station to see of they could gave me a certificate for my ID and then get the certificate translated and notarized.

If you are not going to tell me how my document is confirmed faked, at least you could tell me which specific document of I submitted is faked?

What would you do about my money if you are not going to return my money to me?



I admit I didn't read your TOS and used the wrong way to transfer my money to your Dwolla account, but you know it well that this money belongs to me not Mtgox. The $1990 of my $2364 came from Mtgox (already clear) and the rest came from bitcoin7.com. You brought this up is just "helpful" for you to make me look bad. But none of this can change the fack the money belongs to me.


Mtgox (their support group but not Mark Karpeles) and Dwolla never “stopped replying to XZ's messages completely”. I asked Mtgox if they sent a request to Dwolla to reverse the transaction and they told me Dwolla already denied their request and made the request ineffective. Then I asked Dwolla about is the money I sent to your account belongs to you legally, they gave me a positive answer. I forward these mail to you long times ago and you confirmed this. Are you denying all this now?


I gave you my ID, passport, bank account is all the same name, where is "the other person" you are talking about? Do you really think I can use a fake id to get a bank account in China?

OK I understand, I did use the wrongful way to transfer my money to CampBX.com, is that make my money not belong to me anymore?

Thank you for your help of get my document legalized, but it is not practically at all.

First of all if you created 3 accounts and didn't use your actual name on them then yes you did create fake identities. Furthermore you're saying that you violated their terms of service which you're supposed to read and accept prior to using their exchange. Well in that case you have absolutely 0 rights to anything. And quite frankly I don't understand how you could end up thinking you weren't doing anything wrong.

If you're going to try again then the only way to get indisputable documents accepted anywhere from China is A get the document translated and notarized with an appostille and then B get it legalized by the foreign ministry, this is usually done via you local city level government and they have to send a representative physically to Beijing so it's neither cheap nor easily doable.

Dude, if you were funneling funds into multiple accounts on their exchange, you were willfully violating terms of service etc and providing them with multiple identities. That on it's own puts them in a position of have 0 obligations to you. AML and KYC law isn't just "O this didn't work let's try something different", it's one shot and you're out unless you can provide an awful lot of additional documents.

To sue them is actually a lot simpler than you may think, just go to one of the international law firms in China they are allover the place here and see if you can get one of them to take your case, yes that does cost money but money you can easily recover via the courts unless you have been doing any of the stuff Keyur informs us you have been doing. Otherwise you'd just be loosing money. Hell if you get yourself notarized and legalized (done via the Chinese foreign ministry) copies of the documents they've rejected you might find a law firm mad enough to accept your case.

Frankly you're a sad pathetic kid who needs to get a life and stop rehashing utter BS where you exploited a bug. Quite frankly I doubt that you'd actually be entitled to even the LR withdrawal you made as Mt Gox could sue you or something similar to get their costs covered from you exploiting that bug. And if you're actually in China and you've just submitted your real credentials to CampBx you're too dumb to live as:

A) Campbx and Mt Gox are both very reputable companies, what's to stop them from exchanging information in light of possible criminal proceedings, enabling Mt Gox to pursue a lawsuit in China against you, IMO this would be extremely easy for them particularly given the current political climate between Japan and China. Furthermore exploiting an obvious bug like this one would under Chinese law be considered the equivalent of grand theft landing you with a 5year minimum prison stint.

B) If you're a Chinese national in China engaging in any type of e-currency trading not licensed by the Chinese government you're already looking at a hefty fine as a minimum and quite possibly prison time as well.


Could a moderator please scammer tag this asshat.

Not 3 different identities, I submitted my id, passport, bank account with my real name CM. Do you think I can use a fake id to get a passport and bank account in China? Keyur just accuse me submitted a fake ID but don't give me any detail about why and which my document is faked. If this happened to you, what would you do? I am in China so sue them seems impossible.

Orly? 3 different identities? And they are damn right in not saying how or why they know that it is fake - they sure as hell don't want to help all the trouble making idiots improve their fake identities.

If it isn't fake, you could probably sue to get the money back, and certainly win.

Don't judge so quick, if this isn't get clear, it could happened to any of us.

No, I didn't submit any fake document. Keyur avoid the most important question but only dig out my history to make me look bad.

The name I used on the forum is not the same as the document I submitted. But that doesn't mean anything. My ID, my passport, my bank account is all in my name MC, so there is no way my ID is faked.

And Keyur avoid the most important question:

Which exactly my document is faked? What agent do they use for ID verification? Why did you already verified my account on March 9th but confirm my ID is faked now?

This +1.

Looks pretty clear to me. Even if the money might be yours (I would say it isn't, but that is beside the point), submitting fake documentation was stupid. You deserve to be blacklisted by any and all exchanges for attempting such as lame stunt, and you don't deserve any compensation of any kind.

Not at all. I will reply later.

All clear.