Topic: Can anyone explain me the exact reasons for the hate on Monero? (Read 1805 times)

What can I or any member of the Monero team personally do to address your concerns?

Please be careful in your reply not to say things like "stop the shilling" because that assumes I or we have any control or influence over these alleged pro-Monero shills (and we don't, but that's not really the point, I'm simply asking you to not assume we do).

Something like "stop paying shills to promote Monero" is actually a reasonable reply even though my reply would be that there aren't any paid shills (at least not by us).

I agree with the fact this is a vile hate filled culture but strongly disagree with the idea that's a significant reason XMR gets hate. There's a number of reasons I like XMR and a number of reasons I dislike it.

None of the reasons I dislike it are anything to do with the fact it's a " legitimate, fairly launched, POW, fully anonymous crypto with a solid dev team" and to assume so is trivialising the issue. like saying the truth is the only reason people hate Justin Bieber is because he's a legitimate talented songwriter with more money, fame & girls than whoever hates hates him. Are people not allowed to dislike something without it being written off as them being nothing more than jealous haters anymore?


It's an easy task for any one with an IQ above room temperature to differentiate the shilling of XMR by genuine supporters, and those that were reactionary reverse shills intended to cause hatred towards XMR. To be clear it's not the fake shills I have an issue with- why would I seeing as they are not representative of the actual community- it was the real shills, the real outrageous claims and the real excessive marketing spam that was the issue.

Lies. There is no other word for it.


Impossible or at least implausible because the shilling is being done by people who want the hate to continue. They have no reason to stop.

Most of that is manufactured by trolls and shills who want to stir up hate. It begs the question why the do that.

I wouldn't say it is the sole reason but it is a significant one. Plus every single significant participant in this forum gets hate. It is a vile hate-filled culture.

I dont have a reason to dislike the coin personally I do think the number of posts and threads annoys some folks from what I have seen.

This is all very true but I would add forked from a project embroiled in a major controversy over a massive premine / ninjamine, faked dates on white papers etc. In short a very legitimate project that in the process of its creation and development ruffled large quantities of very scammy feathers.

Everyone expects shills, it's part of the game, but XMR went overboard. For a long time the shills and their paymasters had a free run. Then it got too much, which meant a backlash.

If the shilling stops, and the outrageous claims and idiotic self-moderated threads cease, XMR will get no hate.

Then the fake volume on Poloniex will stop, and we can al get back to normal.

:-)

I agree with this reason, thread overload.

Yep.

Thanks for the overview, fluffypony

thats cool, hopefully u guys can figure out the exploit 'story' and fix this in the code should there really be a major threat

certainly will make Monero much stronger than b4

~CfA~

HONEST TRUTH: People hate it because it is actually a legitimate, fairly launched, POW, fully anonymous crypto with a solid dev team. They are afraid of it taking over their precious alts.

Some of their work has been on a volunteer basis, and some has been paid for, depending on the impact on their time. We (the core team) paid for it out of our pockets, and recovered a small part of what we have spent from donations. rpietila is among the people that have made donations.

was it very expensive to hire them for the review ?  who paid this, rpietila ?

~CfA~

No, they reviewed the whitepaper first, and have been slowly reviewing the crypto parts of the codebase, but that is still in its infancy. They are also focusing on various spheres of research, hence the research bulletins put out by Monero Research Lab. othe linked to the first two -

http://lab.monero.cc/pubs/MRL-0001.pdf
http://lab.monero.cc/pubs/MRL-0002.pdf

didn't u guys also pay for cryptologists to review the code?

Over and above what othe mentioned (and today's OpenAlias release + inclusion in Monero) I put this together in a comment on Reddit, it details the code changes *only* as mentioned in our weekly Monero Missives -

Jun 2nd - first (and only) open source pool mining software for CryptoNote released; block reward penalty fix to prevent penalty attack 
Jun 10th - deterministic wallets based on a mnemonic seed; Doxygen docs begun; major RPC changes: payment_id in transfer RPC call, incoming_transfers RPC call 
Jun 18th - changes to allow for building on Arch; transaction auto-splitting 
Jun 27th - AES-NI support in the hashing function for faster verification; auto-split RPC call added in addition to CLI call; rpcwallet split out on development branch; daemonize forking effort begun 
July 6th - daemonize ready for initial testing; rpcwallet ready for initial testing; tx auto-splitting payment_ID added to transfer_split RPC call 
July 13th - blockchain class refactor begun; daemonize functionality in rpcwallet begun 
July 20th - daemonize now forking on *nix and using services on Windows; get_connections daemon RPC call; get_bulk_payments wallet RPC call added; initial QoS bandwidth control commits 
July 23rd - get_info daemon RPC call added; get_bulk_payments complete, Poloniex deposit processing down from 45 minutes to 17 seconds; daemonize/rpcwallet merged into common branch for testing 
August 3rd - blockchain class rewrite+refactor nearly complete; Windows move from MSVC to mingw/msys2 begun; refresh now takes an optional blockheight from parameter; seed / viewkey commands and query_key RPC call added to allow seed / key retrieval; DNS seeder code released 
August 10th - abstracted blockchain class is now in BlockchainDB; target-specific builds in CMake; OT logging system reimplementation in Monero begun (logging channels, rollover, etc.) 
August 16th - development branch added to github; mingw-w64 / msys2 build operational and ready for testing; wallet code refactor begun; BlockchainDB functionally complete and ready for implementation; GUI interface binaries released 
August 24th to September 7th - spam attack patch; block 202612 attack patch; block 202612 attack mitigation and fork fix (via a whole new block blob hash checkpointing system) 
September 15th - FreeBSD compatability; CMake miniupnpc overhaul to use system miniupnpc if available; static release Makefile target; versioning CMake overhaul to suit and indicate tagged releases; on-demand testnet released and operational; per-kb fees nearly ready for testing; default logging moved; LMDB database implementation begun 

take a look at the network graph on github and read he missives?

https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/network
openalias.org + cn pool software + URS https://github.com/monero-project/urs (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/unique-ring-signatures-using-secp256k1-keys-768499) ...


Development is one thing, research is also important:

http://lab.monero.cc/pubs/MRL-0001.pdf
http://lab.monero.cc/pubs/MRL-0002.pdf

Is there some kind of overview what the Monero team has specifically developed beyond forking Bytecoin? Thanks