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Topic: Can anyone explain me the exact reasons for the hate on Monero? - page 2. (Read 1852 times)

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I appreciate your honestly.  The reality of the situation is that it appears that this is a hype type situation around a technology that are going to lose a lot of small fishes a lot of money.  By continuing to hype what WILL come crashing down (if not in price first - then by the exploit BCX outlined if it stays a decent sized target).

I honestly don't see this "hype" situation you're describing. We don't make promises or say we're going to do something merely to create hype. When we push something out, like with the OpenAlias system we pushed out today, we are already well down the road to having it working, if not completed already. Anyone outside of the core team that tries to create hype will have to, unfortunately, deal with out release cycle.

We (the core team) have already stated that we will work on Monero regardless of whether the price goes up or down. Monero is not going to "die", even if the price goes down. The exploit still has more vague hand-waving than actual details. Nonetheless, if such an exploit exists then either we will figure it out over time and patch it, or the exploit will be used and we will patch it (just as we did with the block 202612 exploit).

This, too, will not make Monero "die" any more than Bitcoin "died" in August 2010 when someone created a block with 184 billion Bitcoins. They had to suspend the network and roll it back, causing a fork at that bad block. It took over 2 days for the correct fork to win out. In fact, Bitcoin has, over its history, had 23 exploits serious enough to have CVE numbers. And yet it hasn't died. This constant declaration of death because someone manipulates the price or some other person unverifiably claims to "have an exploit" is just silly.

The entire thing is built around greed of the big guys (see rptellia). 

The "big guys" were not around at the beginning, so I can't get how you say that "the entire thing is built around" them. That makes no logical sense whatsoever. Either way, they can be as greedy as they want, they're not affecting us or our ability to develop. Eventually their "greed" will either result in them being rewarded financially, or they will chicken out and leave. Not every early, loud-mouthed Bitcoin proponent is still around.

This overt stab at screwing people over and being dis honest by creating hype about a technology that is NOT ready for prime time has created this backlash.

Again, where is the hype?

Are there proponents of Monero who say that Monero is "amazing" or what have you? Sure. But I have not seen them claim Monero is ready for prime time (in fact, quite the opposite), and I have not seen them claim we're developing anything that we aren't.
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I'm really curious, because so far the claims were vague at the best.

Threads: A lot of people say, that the team spams the forum with Monero threads, but looking at the Ann you can clearly see that there are only 7 threads, that are officialy approved. Though when I search the forum, I see 60 (30 if you exclude mining, though not every topic is a a pool-ann) topics focused around monero (they either include monero or xmr in their title). Most of them are topics focused around "creating negative comments about the devs, the community, the coin itself or the number of threads". With that in mind I think it is safe to say, that this reason is disproving itself

Shills:
There are 2 'shills' (fanboys is a better term) of Monero I know about: Nekomata and darkota, though these are legitimate users with legitimate reasons to like this coin, who may get insulting, but atleast hold some integrity. These are no sockpuppets, hence if you look at their old posts you see that they were also big fans of Dogecoin resp. Darkcoin. Trolls like Moneroman88 or AltcoinHimmler (srsly?) are obvious positive trolls/reversed-psychology trolls after we already had a lot of negative trolls like Rias, Chessus, hexah etc. Yes, when Monero is mentioned/Cryptonote is disucussed, often enough some core members/team member may show up, but they are polite, repsectful, friendly and stay objective.

I'm maybe wrong with some of the stuff I've written up, but I'm not really intensively following Bitcointalk. I don't want to discuss whether Monero is any good or
if you think the team is just sitting on their fat asses (ofc, that's why they already spent 110BTC for external devs/freelancers/mathematicians/etc) /s
I rather discuss what you hate about the community and whether there are improvement possible

I appreciate your honestly.  The reality of the situation is that it appears that this is a hype type situation around a technology that are going to lose a lot of small fishes a lot of money.  By continuing to hype what WILL come crashing down (if not in price first - then by the exploit BCX outlined if it stays a decent sized target).

The entire thing is built around greed of the big guys (see rptellia). 

This overt stab at screwing people over and being dis honest by creating hype about a technology that is NOT ready for prime time has created this backlash.
sr. member
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Nice coin. I'm in.
hero member
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Probably the endless threads about it.

Note: Please stop with the monero threads
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Oh look it's another monero thread,how interesting
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King of all the land
Too many threads.

/thread
sr. member
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Thanks you OP for proving that some people in this community still possess the ability to read without bias.

Yes XMR has a few shills, annoying personality or overexcited investors, like any other alt-coin that exist. Nothing worrisome or war-worthy as long as you make the difference between them and the battery of fake-shills that, on a daily basis, attack everyone in the name of their enemy while brandishing nazi-flags and pictures of gaped assholes on a maximum amount of threads.

There is an obvious smear campaign mixed with real attacks on the network (last one was on 7sept). Someone offered BcX 100btc for information concerning a flaw in XMR code.

Ofc all of that make so much noise, with so much shit being thrown, that barely any outsider that lurk on this section associate XMR with something noisy and smelly, and annoying. That's the point.
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No i haven't noticed because this is not a fact, but a feeling, and in this case your own feeling.

u are wrong - its a fact as u can observe by recent polls. more than 50% of forum believe Monero is annoying as shit

so u are wrong, and ur feeling that its not is utterly irrelevant

~CfA~
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So basically, there are million of reason to love Monero or hate it!

But so far none of the expressed reasons are fact most of them are opinion.

And Opinion are like asshole, everybody has one.
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if u havent noticed monero is utterly annoying, and all of them shills 100%
No i haven't noticed because this is not a fact, but a feeling, and in this case your own feeling.
So what i can notice is that YOU are pissed off by Monero, which is pretty far from my concern !

monero administration is most annoying shitheads ive ever seen in crypto
Also, another too vague opinion, just expressing your own feeling without any factual evidence.

dont even get me started dude. even just dem rpietila guy alone is worse than all the trolls of bitcointalk combined

they try hard to suck in poor ppl in their garbage scam... but fail hard LOL

~CfA~

This one is the best, the menace argument: please dont push me in the state of mind to really express my anger and frustration toward this shitcoin. Too bad you just did. And no one fears you Cheesy

hero member
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sure heres the exposé of truth 4 u



Monero is a scam coin piece of shit and nothing more.




if u havent noticed monero is utterly annoying, and all of them shills 100%
monero administration is most annoying shitheads ive ever seen in crypto
dont even get me started dude. even just dem rpietila guy alone is worse than all the trolls of bitcointalk combined

they try hard to suck in poor ppl in their garbage scam... but fail hard LOL

~CfA~
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I'm really curious, because so far the claims were vague at the best.

Threads: A lot of people say, that the team spams the forum with Monero threads, but looking at the Ann you can clearly see that there are only 7 threads, that are officialy approved. Though when I search the forum, I see 60 (30 if you exclude mining, though not every topic is a a pool-ann) topics focused around monero (they either include monero or xmr in their title). Most of them are topics focused around "creating negative comments about the devs, the community, the coin itself or the number of threads". With that in mind I think it is safe to say, that this reason is disproving itself

Shills:
There are 2 'shills' (fanboys is a better term) of Monero I know about: Nekomata and darkota, though these are legitimate users with legitimate reasons to like this coin, who may get insulting, but atleast hold some integrity. These are no sockpuppets, hence if you look at their old posts you see that they were also big fans of Dogecoin resp. Darkcoin. Trolls like Moneroman88 or AltcoinHimmler (srsly?) are obvious positive trolls/reversed-psychology trolls after we already had a lot of negative trolls like Rias, Chessus, hexah etc. Yes, when Monero is mentioned/Cryptonote is disucussed, often enough some core members/team member may show up, but they are polite, repsectful, friendly and stay objective.

I'm maybe wrong with some of the stuff I've written up, but I'm not really intensively following Bitcointalk. I don't want to discuss whether Monero is any good or
if you think the team is just sitting on their fat asses (ofc, that's why they already spent 110BTC for external devs/freelancers/mathematicians/etc) /s
I rather discuss what you hate about the community and whether there are improvement possible
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