And back on topic.
I noticed something strange with the JTAG header in this photo from BFL (original here):
http://image.bayimg.com/oaoolaade.jpg
Look at the left JTAG header (JTAG2). Is it just me or did they trim some of the pins?
It would seem that pins 3, 5, 7 and 9 are longer. Could that be it?
Also note how the LCD port has a header in this PCB. I know it's a bit far fetched, but does 5 pins for an LCD seem usual?
It's a bit blurry but it looks like a Rev C. The ones I have are Rev E.
Topic: Can anyone tell me what chip is used in BFL single? - page 2. (Read 12751 times)
That or the whole thing is made up on the spot, upto the point of someone actually receiving a BFL single. (Yeah I am siding with mem here.)
Better put your flame suite on mate, questioning the almighty BFL will get you burned as a witch in these parts
So you posted the response of the microcontroller first? Who wanna know that, it even has a intact silkscreen.
If the second quote is from the "big chip" this means absolutely nothing, you could have connected it to a power pin and would have gotten the same response. I still think you are trolling.
If the second quote is from the "big chip" this means absolutely nothing, you could have connected it to a power pin and would have gotten the same response. I still think you are trolling.
The Atmel chip on the board is not a secret. It's the big chips that most of us were wondering.
It's ATMEL not altera, read it dammit'. I said nothing about FPGAs, so maybe Atmel cell asics have some diagnostics jtag port.
That's the only explanation. That or the whole thing is made up on the spot, upto the point of someone actually receiving a BFL single. (Yeah I am siding with mem here.)
That's the only explanation. That or the whole thing is made up on the spot, upto the point of someone actually receiving a BFL single. (Yeah I am siding with mem here.)
Don't forget to email eldentyrell and ask for your 5 BTC. 
After a little bit of reading, I found that protecting the JTAG port of an Altera FPGA seems to be a standard feature.
You wouldn't happen to be trolling?
maybe?
Anyway the only chip which would be offered by atmel which would have the capabilities are their cell asics, which shouldn't even have a jtag port in the first place.
Altera:
Quote
JTAG Threats
Another type of threat makes use of the JTAG port. Although the port is meant for board connectivity and basic
system-functionality testing, the flexibility of JTAG can be misused to determine the configuration of the FPGA.
Because in most FPGAs, JTAG is always enabled, uses dedicated pins, and overrides any other configuration
mechanism, it can be used to exercise the design systematically to reverse engineer the functionality, thereby stealing
the design. However, like timing analysis on an FPGA, this is an extremely laborious, time consuming, and rote
process, though it requires no specialized equipment.
JTAG-Port Protection Solution
Recognizing the susceptibility of JTAG, Cyclone III LS FPGAs take extra precautions by restricting access to the
JTAG port. Traditionally, the JTAG port always was enabled on FPGAs, and any instructions received on the JTAG
I/O pins would execute immediately. In Cyclone III LS FPGAs, the native state of JTAG is restricted to only those
instructions required for compliance to the IEEE specification. The JTAG port can be reset to accept the full
instruction set. However, resetting the JTAG port causes the Cyclone III LS FPGA automatically to erase all
configuration within itself (including the volatile AES key, if used), before allowing full access on the JTAG pins.
Therefore, a user cannot use the JTAG port to test or modify the design in any way.
Another type of threat makes use of the JTAG port. Although the port is meant for board connectivity and basic
system-functionality testing, the flexibility of JTAG can be misused to determine the configuration of the FPGA.
Because in most FPGAs, JTAG is always enabled, uses dedicated pins, and overrides any other configuration
mechanism, it can be used to exercise the design systematically to reverse engineer the functionality, thereby stealing
the design. However, like timing analysis on an FPGA, this is an extremely laborious, time consuming, and rote
process, though it requires no specialized equipment.
JTAG-Port Protection Solution
Recognizing the susceptibility of JTAG, Cyclone III LS FPGAs take extra precautions by restricting access to the
JTAG port. Traditionally, the JTAG port always was enabled on FPGAs, and any instructions received on the JTAG
I/O pins would execute immediately. In Cyclone III LS FPGAs, the native state of JTAG is restricted to only those
instructions required for compliance to the IEEE specification. The JTAG port can be reset to accept the full
instruction set. However, resetting the JTAG port causes the Cyclone III LS FPGA automatically to erase all
configuration within itself (including the volatile AES key, if used), before allowing full access on the JTAG pins.
Therefore, a user cannot use the JTAG port to test or modify the design in any way.
If it's a standard feature of the Cyclone III LS FPGAs, I assume it's available on other Altera devices too (but what do I know?).
And no, I am not trolling.
But as I have already pointed out earlier, they may have just switched the pins around on JTAG2. Who knows. If it would be me trying to protect my design, I'd do that too.
After a little bit of reading, I found that protecting the JTAG port of an Altera FPGA seems to be a standard feature.
You wouldn't happen to be trolling?
maybe?
Anyway the only chip which would be offered by atmel which would have the capabilities are their cell asics, which shouldn't even have a jtag port in the first place.
How do you know you're probing the TDO pin?
I'm in also.
Indeed it is. I'll be following this.
now its getting interesting - subscribing.
After a little bit of reading, I found that protecting the JTAG port of an Altera FPGA seems to be a standard feature.
Anyway, since I had the chance to lay my hands on some BFL singles, here is the result of some JTAG probing.
JTAG1
JTAG2
Anyway, since I had the chance to lay my hands on some BFL singles, here is the result of some JTAG probing.
JTAG1
Code:
jtag> detect
IR length: 5
Chain length: 1
Device Id: 10110001111011100011000000111111 (0x00000000B1EE303F)
Manufacturer: Atmel
Unknown part!
chain.c(149) Part 0 without active instruction
chain.c(200) Part 0 without active instruction
chain.c(149) Part 0 without active instruction
jtag> idcode
Reading 0 bytes if idcode
Read 00111111 00110000 11101110 10110001 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
jtag> idcode
Reading 0 bytes if idcode
Read 00111111 00110000 11101110 10110001 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
IR length: 5
Chain length: 1
Device Id: 10110001111011100011000000111111 (0x00000000B1EE303F)
Manufacturer: Atmel
Unknown part!
chain.c(149) Part 0 without active instruction
chain.c(200) Part 0 without active instruction
chain.c(149) Part 0 without active instruction
jtag> idcode
Reading 0 bytes if idcode
Read 00111111 00110000 11101110 10110001 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
jtag> idcode
Reading 0 bytes if idcode
Read 00111111 00110000 11101110 10110001 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
JTAG2
Code:
jtag> detect
Warning: TDO seems to be stuck at 1
jtag> idcode
Reading 0 bytes if idcode
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Warning: TDO seems to be stuck at 1
jtag> idcode
Reading 0 bytes if idcode
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Why hasn't someone done these x-Ray images like one big website (the do it to chips like the 7970, before that they sanded the top of. Don't remember who it was 
) does it?
Ther has to be some kind of labeling underneath the metal shield hidden in the Silicium?
found it: http://www.chipworks.com/en/technical-competitive-analysis/resources/recent-teardowns/2012/02/inside-the-asus-amd-7970-graphics-card-tsmc-28-nm/
When i trust my eyes i can see some Names beneath the AMD Logo (CHIP Corner). I think every proud Dev puts an ester egg in his baby
Why not funding a BFL and ask Chipwork to do the job
) does it?Ther has to be some kind of labeling underneath the metal shield hidden in the Silicium?
found it: http://www.chipworks.com/en/technical-competitive-analysis/resources/recent-teardowns/2012/02/inside-the-asus-amd-7970-graphics-card-tsmc-28-nm/
When i trust my eyes i can see some Names beneath the AMD Logo (CHIP Corner). I think every proud Dev puts an ester egg in his baby
Why not funding a BFL and ask Chipwork to do the job
The Single has a JTAG connector, but BFL have said on this forum that using JTAG won't help in any way in finding out which chip it is.
Which leads me to suspect that it is a programmable custom ASIC, originally intended for supercomputing / cryptography.
Something like a custom FPGA or a large array of microcontrollers.
Which leads me to suspect that it is a programmable custom ASIC, originally intended for supercomputing / cryptography.
Something like a custom FPGA or a large array of microcontrollers.
LOL at the people still thinking it is an ASIC.
ASIC in the bitcoin world is long way away folks.
Largecoin or BFL is NOT ASIC just custom HardCopy solution maybe.
Nobody is stupid enough to invest $1 million into mining equipment like ASIC would require. Maybe the GOV
Let us be realistic now ...
The Single has a JTAG connector, but BFL have said on this forum that using JTAG won't help in any way in finding out which chip it is.
Which leads me to suspect that it is a programmable custom ASIC, originally intended for supercomputing / cryptography.
Something like a custom FPGA or a large array of microcontrollers.
Which leads me to suspect that it is a programmable custom ASIC, originally intended for supercomputing / cryptography.
Something like a custom FPGA or a large array of microcontrollers.
I highly doubt that it is an ASIC. If you look at their website you'll see that they removed an mention of designing with ASIC's. Several months ago this was written right on their homepage. The relatively high power consumption also suggests that it's not an ASIC.
The Single has a JTAG connector, but BFL have said on this forum that using JTAG won't help in any way in finding out which chip it is.
I think that's just them trying to discourage people from trying.
I'll still pay the 5BTC bounty for an IDCODE readout, even if the two "big chips" aren't on the chain.
He is probably right with JTAG Probing, modern FPGAs include pretty good bitstream encryption.
These are totally unrelated.
The JTAG interface lets you ask the chip "what chip are you" -- IDCODE. All Xilinx chips have this capability, and it cannot be disabled. I don't know about altera, but I suspect it's the same deal. This has nothing to do with the bitstream/firmware.
I would be surprised if the JTAG pins were not already broken out to a header (populated or unpopulated) on the board somewhere. This is very standard for any programmable device layout.
The Single has a JTAG connector, but BFL have said on this forum that using JTAG won't help in any way in finding out which chip it is.
Which leads me to suspect that it is a programmable custom ASIC, originally intended for supercomputing / cryptography.
Something like a custom FPGA or a large array of microcontrollers.
He is probably right with JTAG Probing, modern FPGAs include pretty good bitstream encryption.
These are totally unrelated.
The JTAG interface lets you ask the chip "what chip are you" -- IDCODE. All Xilinx chips have this capability, and it cannot be disabled. I don't know about altera, but I suspect it's the same deal. This has nothing to do with the bitstream/firmware.
I would be surprised if the JTAG pins were not already broken out to a header (populated or unpopulated) on the board somewhere. This is very standard for any programmable device layout.
He is probably right with JTAG Probing, modern FPGAs include pretty good bitstream encryption.
These are totally unrelated.
The JTAG interface lets you ask the chip "what chip are you" -- IDCODE. All Xilinx chips have this capability, and it cannot be disabled. I don't know about altera, but I suspect it's the same deal. This has nothing to do with the bitstream/firmware.
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