Do you believe another stimulus [Conditioned Response] can replace the stimuli from gambling? So my question is, what is an effective stimulus [Conditioned Response] that can replace gambling addiction?
I believe this is something similar to a routine, if it's not it itself? And afaik, ANYTHING can become a routine. It's just a matter of actually being able to build up that routine consistently via repetition and conditioning your body to adapt to it, replacing any old ones. Yes, it's effective and can be helpful but this doesn't mean it's easy though. It's not a fault that the saying "Habits die hard" exists cause yes, they're hard to remove from yourself and if you start adapting to one, without any hard work on your part it's not going to disappear anytime soon. 
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Do you believe another stimulus [Conditioned Response] can replace the stimuli from gambling? So my question is, what is an effective stimulus [Conditioned Response] that can replace gambling addiction?
Doing demo could be another way to still gamble and even if you have to do it constantly, a combination of real gambling and demo gambling could cut down in your cost but that's when it's almost impossible to not get triggered to gamble when you're in certain environment.
I don't think that a person can be cured of gambling addiction with a "stimulus", at least not always. You know, sometimes a person unwittingly creates an addiction for himself because of a so-called viral idea. Let's say a person is obsessed with a viral idea, also known as an idée fixe, that he can get rich by playing roulette using the Martingale method. And the person will experiment with roulette and Martingale for a very long time and persistently until he is convinced of the absurdity of this idea. And it is impossible to "cure" him as long as the person believes in his viral idea. Any obstacles on the way to realizing his idea will only irritate the person.
Several signs suggest a person may have a gambling addiction, a topic we've discussed extensively. However, there are some conditions for a person to be able to stop in time, and everyone usually has their own, which may differ from others. For example, a person plays for a long time and loses, but he remembers that once he had a nasty case, which ended very badly. And if he had stopped in time, the misfortune would not have happened. A reminder always clicks in a person's head not to repeat something like this. It is difficult to call this a reflex. But it is straightforward to take it as a sign; there are many such signs for different people. Someone is afraid to repeat something at all costs, believing that what happened to him badly once, with some coincidences, will be repeated regularly.
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Yes, another stimulus can replace the will to playing gambling and even can makes someone forget about his gambling addiction. But those stimulus must be done continously for some time until he can forget his gambling activity. Many people fail to forget their gambling activity because they still remember that playing gambling is something that can gives them pleasure and if they are luck, they can win for some money.
Someone who has gambling addiction needs to do many activity to block his minds of thinking about playing gambling. If you ask what stimulus that can replace gambling addiction, the answer will be different. Maybe someone can do something that he knows before and focus doing that and with doing other things so his brain and minds will thinks about what he do. Maybe it will difficult for the first time and that needs to be done over and over to gets a good result.
Someone who has gambling addiction needs to do many activity to block his minds of thinking about playing gambling. If you ask what stimulus that can replace gambling addiction, the answer will be different. Maybe someone can do something that he knows before and focus doing that and with doing other things so his brain and minds will thinks about what he do. Maybe it will difficult for the first time and that needs to be done over and over to gets a good result.
I think what you're trying to talk about is an activity that can replace the desire to gamble and not conditioned response. Conditioned response are cues we pick up through our lives and cannot just be created to cure a gambling addiction. It will take years to condition your body to want to eat or something when you think of gambling, but you can replace gambling with video games.
The danger of this is building another addiction while trying to fix one, so the replacement activity needs to be something creative and should not be allowed to turn to an addiction.
if it does replace the desire to gamble I think there are many things that can be done, but the main thing is thinking. we must be able to control our thoughts which when there is a feeling or thought of wanting to gamble we must be able to put it aside and I think when that happens what must be done is to think about the risk side maybe that can make the desire to gamble a little bit aside because knowing there is a risk so you don't want to look for disease. but this is not easy because gambling itself has a strong appeal.The danger of this is building another addiction while trying to fix one, so the replacement activity needs to be something creative and should not be allowed to turn to an addiction.
most people become addicted because they want to improve the situation where when they lose they want to restore the defeat to victory as a result the action taken is to gamble again. meanwhile what OP said is true, gambling addiction develops through repetition of habits that continue either because they want to improve as you said or because they feel dissatisfied. considering that many things can be done to put aside the desire to gamble, but it all depends on each individual who feels it. whether they will do something else or even follow their desires.
Engaging in activities that provide a sense of achievement, such as learning a new skill, exercising, or pursuing creative outlets, could serve as new stimuli that gradually reduce the urge to gamble. It’s not an easy process, but with consistent effort, it might be possible to rewire those responses.
I agree with you because that way gambling addict will feel that they have other activities that are more enjoyable and can be done anytime without having to involve things like betting money, gradually all of this will lead gambling addicts to really reduce gambling activities.In addition, there are many more positive activities or activities that can provide special stimulation for gambling addicts so that they can consider if what they do is much better than the gambling activities they have previously done.
But these various activities can only be done by people who really think about being able to cure themselves because basically healing and stopping gambling addiction must begin with the desires and intentions of each addict themselves.
This is a nice topic, i used to say in the past "People don't quit vices, they substitute em" and that can apply to gambling. So, how can we substitute gambling, that's the question here. And i know it will sound weird, but we can substitute gambling with a job, and that's because that way we learn how hard is to earn money, and losing it in some clicks feels terrible after working all week. So, from my own experience, i could say that working hard for a company or for personal project can take us out of gambling.
Engaging in activities that provide a sense of achievement, such as learning a new skill, exercising, or pursuing creative outlets, could serve as new stimuli that gradually reduce the urge to gamble. It’s not an easy process, but with consistent effort, it might be possible to rewire those responses.
This reminds me of the psychology course our department borrowed when I was in school that condition stimulus was talked about in which ringing of a bell and feeding of dog after was used for the explanation. If the bell is later rang, the dog will salivates as the dog get use to it. But this is different from what we can associate with gambling in a way someone can stop gambling because of condition stimulus. That is not possible and I do not know how these can be associated together.
I agree with you and I think if a gambler stops gambling because of a presumed conditioned stimulus m, then that gambler should be interrogated and reason for the stimulus should be checked as I believe no insane gambler would want to be conditioned especially in something that offers the possibility of changing lives either good or bad, there is change and as such, it should be under some either drugs or some blackmail or even some sort of life threats ( just overthinking, I guess ).I think what you're trying to talk about is an activity that can replace the desire to gamble and not conditioned response. Conditioned response are cues we pick up through our lives and cannot just be created to cure a gambling addiction. It will take years to condition your body to want to eat or something when you think of gambling, but you can replace gambling with video games.
The danger of this is building another addiction while trying to fix one, so the replacement activity needs to be something creative and should not be allowed to turn to an addiction.
lolThe danger of this is building another addiction while trying to fix one, so the replacement activity needs to be something creative and should not be allowed to turn to an addiction.
He might not just get only one but also a second addiction as you don’t expect to heal one addiction with another addiction, as such gaming isn’t the right opinion for him
Such a person should try as much possible to associate more with people and try as much as possible to not stay idle at this at this early stage(just my opinion)
I think what you're trying to talk about is an activity that can replace the desire to gamble and not conditioned response. Conditioned response are cues we pick up through our lives and cannot just be created to cure a gambling addiction. It will take years to condition your body to want to eat or something when you think of gambling, but you can replace gambling with video games.
The danger of this is building another addiction while trying to fix one, so the replacement activity needs to be something creative and should not be allowed to turn to an addiction.
The danger of this is building another addiction while trying to fix one, so the replacement activity needs to be something creative and should not be allowed to turn to an addiction.
Do you believe another stimulus [Conditioned Response] can replace the stimuli from gambling? So my question is, what is an effective stimulus [Conditioned Response] that can replace gambling addiction?
Ivan Pavlov would be curious to know the responses to this discussion - let's make him proud. Any effective stimulus that would replace gambling addiction is a very high valued activity in which the gambler is interested in or will be interested in and that generates as much excitement as gambling doesn't. It is not a one size fits all activity. It differs from person to person. As for me such stimuli would be football. 
It is hard to see some quality posts or new kind of topics here lately, and I believe this is the first time someone speaks about conditioned response beside attaching it to a cure of gambling addiction. The idea seems very similar to curing a sickness by creating an opposite effect of what reason the illness itself begins.
There will be different ways and opinion about how this method can help or definitively cure an addictive person, perhaps even if someone is reading the topic and responses here may help him. Personally, I would say that if you keep thinking and believing in an investment strategy every time you get the desire of gambling, pushing yourself to feel that pain of losing even before gambling, is something to start with and make you revert back and put that money in an investment. Maybe practicing that for few weeks until your investment starts to pay back will be the end of your addiction.
There will be different ways and opinion about how this method can help or definitively cure an addictive person, perhaps even if someone is reading the topic and responses here may help him. Personally, I would say that if you keep thinking and believing in an investment strategy every time you get the desire of gambling, pushing yourself to feel that pain of losing even before gambling, is something to start with and make you revert back and put that money in an investment. Maybe practicing that for few weeks until your investment starts to pay back will be the end of your addiction.
I don't know the exact medical term but I bet that's what the rehab is mostly about to concur an addiction, the best way is to let or force them to develop interest so over the period it will fade away for older but this could take really long cause reversing psychological conditions take months or even years but it only took 21 days to develop the habit so no matter what you do just limit yourself about everything not just how much money you spend.
Why making this thread a self moderated?
I think a discussion like this shouldn't be made a self moderated because you would see different opinions coming here.
However, this won't help either because already as you can already see the effects is lose and there is no other effect that could be so hard that this, I mean the punishment because if someone gambled and lost his money it's already bad effects on the person therefore he would try next not get carried where by increasing their chances of winning. But what else, greed is the general thing that makes them to be addicted someone who doesn't apply and gambling moderate can't be an addicted gambler.
I think a discussion like this shouldn't be made a self moderated because you would see different opinions coming here.
However, this won't help either because already as you can already see the effects is lose and there is no other effect that could be so hard that this, I mean the punishment because if someone gambled and lost his money it's already bad effects on the person therefore he would try next not get carried where by increasing their chances of winning. But what else, greed is the general thing that makes them to be addicted someone who doesn't apply and gambling moderate can't be an addicted gambler.
I think once this is established in your head it wouldn’t be as effective as it would be In replacing a bad response or conditioning in the brain. It is not as replaceable in my opinion, especially if the person is addicted already. maybe a different therapy or something could be done.
Yea the urge for gambling cannot be replaceable because what causes the urge to gamble is when you think that you want to use it to double your money. The thing is that it can be replaced but it depends on the gambler because if the gambler takes gamble to be a way to double his money or if he doesn't. However there might be a condition that might be given to the gambler mostly if it a type that includes some kind of illness or life or properties that might be very precious to the gambler.
Do you believe another stimulus [Conditioned Response] can replace the stimuli from gambling? So my question is, what is an effective stimulus [Conditioned Response] that can replace gambling addiction?
Absolutely this will work. This is the method which professionals dealing with addiction keeps doing. They are changing the gambling addiction in different activities repeatedly.
Also being open to the problem is the key solution to fight addiction. Always being honest to yourself and seek advice immediately when experiencing gambling crave will help to fight addiction but the trauma on losses is the perfect conditioned response solution for gambling addiction because it will automatically discourage user to play if you feel this fear whenever you are planning to gamble.
Since repeated stimuli were brought about by the conditioned response, it can be replaced by another repeated stimulus. The best person to think of a replacement is a professional expert who deals with gambling; he knows the best replacement that can equal the gambling stimulus.
I don't think another hobby or playing sports can replace the strong stimuli brought about by gambling addiction it should be something that will bring a dramatic effect.
I don't think another hobby or playing sports can replace the strong stimuli brought about by gambling addiction it should be something that will bring a dramatic effect.
A cold turkey way. Complete isolation or just the gambler lost it all and got mixed into a crime and then jailed. That's a dramatic effect that could stop a gambling addiction.
Or a slow conditioned response may help gradually. Sometimes it just needs a person's realization of the truth that he could never get the life he wants with gambling. It takes years and maybe when the time comes he gets older like 45, time passes by and all his friends are gone busy living life to see himself left out.
Since repeated stimuli were brought about by the conditioned response, it can be replaced by another repeated stimulus. The best person to think of a replacement is a professional expert who deals with gambling; he knows the best replacement that can equal the gambling stimulus.
I don't think another hobby or playing sports can replace the strong stimuli brought about by gambling addiction it should be something that will bring a dramatic effect.
In as much as I agree with your opinion that applying Conditioned Response as a measure to stop cure gambling addiction might not be effective enough on gambling addicts, I think we should also put in consideration that different people have different reactions to mental exercises. Since the gambling addiction was caused by constant engagement in gambling, the addiction can also be erased by engaging the gambling addict in other fun activities that can go to serve as the addict's hobby. So it might be possible depending on the individual. I don't think another hobby or playing sports can replace the strong stimuli brought about by gambling addiction it should be something that will bring a dramatic effect.
Since repeated stimuli were brought about by the conditioned response, it can be replaced by another repeated stimulus. The best person to think of a replacement is a professional expert who deals with gambling; he knows the best replacement that can equal the gambling stimulus.
I don't think another hobby or playing sports can replace the strong stimuli brought about by gambling addiction it should be something that will bring a dramatic effect.
I don't think another hobby or playing sports can replace the strong stimuli brought about by gambling addiction it should be something that will bring a dramatic effect.
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