Topic: Can gambling sites provide proof of auditing that was done on their RTP? (Read 409 times)

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It has been repeatedly mentioned in this thread that there's a way for a player to verify randomness of game from third party providers. It's also been said that they are regularly audited by license providers. The real issue here is the audit of in-house games.

[...]But unfortunately, most of the casinos don't show.

I will say with all honesty that this is really an interesting question, as personally, I've never for once thought about the possibility and importance of auditing a game software to ensure that it's up to the standard the casino are advertising the game to be.
But unfortunately, this is not a question gamblers can answer, just as money here have said, there is no way we can know if online casinos actually go through such audit on their games software before launching such game to the public, because so far, no online casino have ever spoken concerning this, neither has any ever made such data available to their customers and prospective customers as well.

This is something I will suggest we all return back to our favorite casinos and ask them if their game software are audited, as a way to prove that the games are as fair as they should be, and just as they claim, casinos that refuse to answer or provide the audit data possibly have something they are hiding.

Pragmatic Play’s games are regularly reviewed by independent bodies that are formally accredited to ensure both randomness and fairness. As such, our games are Random Number Generator tested and certified by Gaming Laboratories International, Quinel and Gaming Associates this is also a prerequisite for all markets in which we operate.

This is true. There’s no way to test the probably fair system of slot games since they are all close source that’s why we are relying here on trust that provider is following the standards after the audit done to them since everything is online now.

To be honest I never know if there an audit for RTP and yes people usually choose a game with high RTP ratio but you are kinda right maybe we need an RTP audit hahaha, but I saw a lot of people win big 90% RTP sometimes the gambling site post a leaderboard should we still need a audit rtp in your opionion

I would venture to say that for the Brick N mortar casinos they are regulated with much more scrutiny but the online casinos are probably a lot more loose, proabably letting things slide or not double checking everything as much probably due to lack of regulations.

So, I know these audits are done on "brick n mortar" casinos, but what about the online gambling sites?

If these audits are done on online gambling sites, why are this not published online for transparency? It does not even have to be detailed reports, just a summary report of their findings.

I once chased losses and played one slot machine continuously, but I didn't get good results, all I got were more and more losses. So I don't really care about RTP, and in my opinion there is no guarantee about RTP, this happens when we play a slot machine that we have never played before and it turns out we can get a big win. Or maybe the RTP is random and doesn't always come back to us, but winnings can also be given to other users?

As long as a gambling casino is licensed, then they should have information for their Return to Player audit, mostly this has to deal with the gambling platforms and the regulatory authorities or government as the case may be, what do someone like me, an average gambler needed that for, will they even allow me to see such, all these would have been well spelt out under their casino ToS if we had gone through them.

Reputable internet casinos have their games audited by independent, third-party auditing organizations to ensure fairness to players. Auditing is a requirement enforced by the various licensing authorities and is also done to show players their business is fair and reliable.

AI told you some garbage there.

Slot machines are here for entertainment and the thrill of a big win, which does happen, but they are not here to make money for the player.

The most common RTP in the online industry hovers around 96%, in the offline industry it can go as much down as 80%, but offline businesses that go that aggressive rarely deal with regulars, while we in online deal with regular players and want that they stay with us longer, so we have higher RTP's. That doesn't mean that you, specifically you, will get 96% back out of $100 gambled. No, this means that the game, on an average (a huge average) is giving out 96% back, but in most cases you don't see it because it comes back in increments. Someone might have a zero RTP, someone else a jackpot. It's a theoretical average. The point is to entertain you as long as possible for those $100, and the slot machine will be taking and giving as you continue to play. You might win, but let's assume you'll not.

And although the games have to be ISO/IEC 17025 compliant, if the casino is using a slots provider (e.g. Bgaming) then they can't change the RTP, it's baked into the game and managed by Bgaming, not the casino. So the Auditing part would go to Bgaming, which is a Malta Gaming Authority audited brand, so basically MGA is doing the Audit on them.

If the casino is using their own games, there's more room for scams, so check if they are "provably fair" (no, it's not a typo). However, I would never recommend to play on a non-licensed casino.

This is true. There’s no way to test the probably fair system of slot games since they are all close source that’s why we are relying here on trust that provider is following the standards after the audit done to them since everything is online now.

Being close source of most 3rd party game provider is still a mystery since some says it’s to protect their games against exploit but some says to hide what they are doing from behind. No one knows exactly what’s true here. Online gambling is based on trust built over their length of service without any issue.

I think so but I’m not sure. Some provider like PP have a tournament for all the players playing their games in different casino. I think they are just like evolution gaming that tracks all the players playing their games even in different casino.

I want to ask, if the RTP is determined by the provider and not the casino, why is there usually a slight difference in RTP between one casino and another? usually the difference is not much but there is a slight difference.

Additionally, if I play on the same slot machine at a different casino, will the provider know? For example, I played Gates of Olympus on Shuffle and won, because I had won, I moved to another casino and played the Gates of Olympus slot machine again, does PP know that it was me? because they must have recorded my IP

AI told you some garbage there.

Slot machines are here for entertainment and the thrill of a big win, which does happen, but they are not here to make money for the player.

The most common RTP in the online industry hovers around 96%, in the offline industry it can go as much down as 80%, but offline businesses that go that aggressive rarely deal with regulars, while we in online deal with regular players and want that they stay with us longer, so we have higher RTP's. That doesn't mean that you, specifically you, will get 96% back out of $100 gambled. No, this means that the game, on an average (a huge average) is giving out 96% back, but in most cases you don't see it because it comes back in increments. Someone might have a zero RTP, someone else a jackpot. It's a theoretical average. The point is to entertain you as long as possible for those $100, and the slot machine will be taking and giving as you continue to play. You might win, but let's assume you'll not.

And although the games have to be ISO/IEC 17025 compliant, if the casino is using a slots provider (e.g. Bgaming) then they can't change the RTP, it's baked into the game and managed by Bgaming, not the casino. So the Auditing part would go to Bgaming, which is a Malta Gaming Authority audited brand, so basically MGA is doing the Audit on them.

If the casino is using their own games, there's more room for scams, so check if they are "provably fair" (no, it's not a typo). However, I would never recommend to play on a non-licensed casino.