You have a nice question going by your topic of discussion here. I believe casinos are audited by government agencies designated for such activities be it online or offline casinos but I believe there is always a mutual agreement between both parties to keep it away from the public as the case maybe if I am not mistaken.
Nobody would want to reveal their strategies or secret how they make gains publicly as that is a secret they have in staying firm in the industry where they belong or whichever way. The best I believe they can do is maintaining a good reputation and being transparent in their dealings with their clients or customers.
Topic: Can gambling sites provide proof of auditing that was done on their RTP? - page 2. (Read 786 times)
May 08, 2024, 04:59:50 AM
May 08, 2024, 03:46:39 AM
I won't worry much about third part games providers, since they do not even belong to the online casino that says a lot, either audited or not I don't care, but if the games belong to the casino that is where there will be some suspicions, casino in games can be tampered and fine tune to how they want it, with third party providers there shouldn't be a problem.
Find the one that works best for you, as for me, I will choose a big casino that already has some reputation to protect and I will use a small amount of money to keep trying my luck, you can't play for a very long time without winning at all, and you can easily change the casino or the third-party provider.
It makes no sense for any online casinos to show their customers any proof of audit, only the regulators or the authorities can ask for such information, as a gambler all you need to look out for is the reputation of the online casino you want to use for gambling.
Find the one that works best for you, as for me, I will choose a big casino that already has some reputation to protect and I will use a small amount of money to keep trying my luck, you can't play for a very long time without winning at all, and you can easily change the casino or the third-party provider.
It makes no sense for any online casinos to show their customers any proof of audit, only the regulators or the authorities can ask for such information, as a gambler all you need to look out for is the reputation of the online casino you want to use for gambling.
May 07, 2024, 03:10:54 PM
Because of the reasons above, the slots operators/casinos dont need nor able to provide an audit of the RTP/RNG because the slots operators do not have a direct access to that program.
And Im sure many people are still not aware that they play their favorite slots with non standard RTP on certain sites.
What this means now is that we should not just sign up and start playing but we should look if there's no RTP on the casino website and that it is a sign that we shouldn't play slots? Also is there a particular number or percent that should be a good sign that the casino slot is a good one to play at ? And Im sure many people are still not aware that they play their favorite slots with non standard RTP on certain sites.
May 07, 2024, 01:28:07 PM
RTP is calculated automatically, depending on the games played, so you want to find the most popular games, and it will show the most accurate RTP!
The provider can probably provide the most accurate RTP for their games because they have all the statistics!
The provider can probably provide the most accurate RTP for their games because they have all the statistics!
You are missing the point here, the OP wants a way to verify whether the RTP provided by the game provider is correct since only the the provider itself can show the statistics about profit to total wager ratio.
I believe the concern is game provider might showing not updated RTP in case the actual RTP result is much lower to the displayed RTP of their slot games. Having the statistics in public or there’s an official audit in online slot games will solve this kind of speculation.
That must be very easy to demonstrate, but a report that they make and demonstrate through their systems is completely demonstrable, I don't know, but the difficulty that casinos have to measure the entire process so that they realize that what they are doing is transparent. They do it, it's something that makes me think that there is no problem, what they have to do is get permission from the casinos to do it, but that is an internal matter, it is what everyone is looking for.
Now if they don't want to show these records, it makes one think that things may be a little Suspicious, and it's strange, every casino does its internal audits and there Shouldn't be any problems, on the contrary, if they want a record to demonstrate such things they Should do it.
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May 07, 2024, 09:12:22 AM
RTP is calculated automatically, depending on the games played, so you want to find the most popular games, and it will show the most accurate RTP!
The provider can probably provide the most accurate RTP for their games because they have all the statistics!
The provider can probably provide the most accurate RTP for their games because they have all the statistics!
You are missing the point here, the OP wants a way to verify whether the RTP provided by the game provider is correct since only the the provider itself can show the statistics about profit to total wager ratio.
I believe the concern is game provider might showing not updated RTP in case the actual RTP result is much lower to the displayed RTP of their slot games. Having the statistics in public or there’s an official audit in online slot games will solve this kind of speculation.
May 07, 2024, 09:05:12 AM
RTP is calculated automatically, depending on the games played, so you want to find the most popular games, and it will show the most accurate RTP!
The provider can probably provide the most accurate RTP for their games because they have all the statistics!
The provider can probably provide the most accurate RTP for their games because they have all the statistics!
May 04, 2024, 04:52:30 PM
I think it's a really important topic. We never try to know that gaming software is checked by any regulated authority to check their software before starting a game. we only throw money and start to play games. But we should ask them if it is audited or not for this way we can play a safe game. Most of the players choose high RTP. They think high RTP gives them the most winning probability. But casino most of the time depends on your luck. Fair audit reports are always in course for their player to participate game. But unfortunately, most of the casinos don't show.
Its not every gambler that tend to check on the gambling platform RTP, because they don't have time for that and may not want to either waste time and effort on doing so, all they want is to make use of the platform and gamble, i don't think as well some of the gambling site will love to have their auditing made public to the world in some certain case, except if the regulatory authorities requested for it.
May 04, 2024, 04:22:49 PM
[...]But unfortunately, most of the casinos don't show.
How many online or offline casinos have you visited and how many of them do not show? It has been repeatedly mentioned in this thread that there's a way for a player to verify randomness of game from third party providers. It's also been said that they are regularly audited by license providers. The real issue here is the audit of in-house games.
May 04, 2024, 04:15:46 PM
I would rather play on an online live poker table like Pokerstars where I know that everything is regulated and managed properly, than in an offline casino where you know that the dealer can do random stuff.
Excuse me, how are things going with pokerstar.net? I haven't played there for years, I can't deny that when I had my first dollars on Paypal I put them there on the platform, but the level of poker there was impressive, people who play poker like professionals, in fact there are guides to play and The strategies are pure gold, I only played a couple of times, I couldn't because at that time they blocked transactions in my country from Paypal, of course it was the fault of the government in power and I couldn't play there anymore, but of course I found that all the platforms PvP in poker are the best, and it's a shame that pokerstar hasn't included the option to play with bitcoin or any crypto, I think this way more people came in who are somewhat restricted from playing there, so I discovered that it's a good platform to play. pvp poker was Betcoinpóker, but you had to download the software.
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April 24, 2024, 08:16:15 AM
It has been repeatedly mentioned in this thread that there's a way for a player to verify randomness of game from third party providers. It's also been said that they are regularly audited by license providers. The real issue here is the audit of in-house games.
This is how this board works.
Step 1: Someone who has no clue asks a legit question.
Step 2: Someone who knows the industry answers it.
Step 3: 99 signature spammers enter the thread and twist/deform/reform the topic for the sake of post count, without reading what happened before.
Step 4: The first two people have no fkn clue what happened and where to go after that so they disappear
Step 5: The thread stays unlocked and more spammers enter the argument, like Zarintasnim above.
And then sometimes, if I'm having a particularly bad day, I either report the comment or ask the admin to lock the thread.
I understand the pain of being flooded as if no one reading your post. I suggested a feature on the forum before to provide top answer feature on every thread so that a discussion thread will not be hard spammed when someone already provided the correct answer to the main question of the thread.
The problem on this board is no one reads previous post due to the tons of post need to back-read and just go directly with their opinion.
I hope the OP update this thread and put your answer on the front page. @Kakmakr
April 24, 2024, 04:06:24 AM
It has been repeatedly mentioned in this thread that there's a way for a player to verify randomness of game from third party providers. It's also been said that they are regularly audited by license providers. The real issue here is the audit of in-house games.
This is how this board works.
Step 1: Someone who has no clue asks a legit question.
Step 2: Someone who knows the industry answers it.
Step 3: 99 signature spammers enter the thread and twist/deform/reform the topic for the sake of post count, without reading what happened before.
Step 4: The first two people have no fkn clue what happened and where to go after that so they disappear
Step 5: The thread stays unlocked and more spammers enter the argument, like Zarintasnim above.
And then sometimes, if I'm having a particularly bad day, I either report the comment or ask the admin to lock the thread.
April 23, 2024, 07:39:49 PM
[...]But unfortunately, most of the casinos don't show.
How many online or offline casinos have you visited and how many of them do not show? It has been repeatedly mentioned in this thread that there's a way for a player to verify randomness of game from third party providers. It's also been said that they are regularly audited by license providers. The real issue here is the audit of in-house games. 
April 23, 2024, 06:48:17 PM
I think it's a really important topic. We never try to know that gaming software is checked by any regulated authority to check their software before starting a game. we only throw money and start to play games. But we should ask them if it is audited or not for this way we can play a safe game. Most of the players choose high RTP. They think high RTP gives them the most winning probability. But casino most of the time depends on your luck. Fair audit reports are always in course for their player to participate game. But unfortunately, most of the casinos don't show.
March 11, 2024, 12:05:36 PM
I will say with all honesty that this is really an interesting question, as personally, I've never for once thought about the possibility and importance of auditing a game software to ensure that it's up to the standard the casino are advertising the game to be.
But unfortunately, this is not a question gamblers can answer, just as money here have said, there is no way we can know if online casinos actually go through such audit on their games software before launching such game to the public, because so far, no online casino have ever spoken concerning this, neither has any ever made such data available to their customers and prospective customers as well.
This is something I will suggest we all return back to our favorite casinos and ask them if their game software are audited, as a way to prove that the games are as fair as they should be, and just as they claim, casinos that refuse to answer or provide the audit data possibly have something they are hiding.
We know they do that that because they are required to have auditing from third party auditors by law. It's happening frequently and constantly because one test doesn't cut it.But unfortunately, this is not a question gamblers can answer, just as money here have said, there is no way we can know if online casinos actually go through such audit on their games software before launching such game to the public, because so far, no online casino have ever spoken concerning this, neither has any ever made such data available to their customers and prospective customers as well.
This is something I will suggest we all return back to our favorite casinos and ask them if their game software are audited, as a way to prove that the games are as fair as they should be, and just as they claim, casinos that refuse to answer or provide the audit data possibly have something they are hiding.
And i wonder what kind of proof is OP looking for. Pure data about testing or what? I am sure most people wouldn't even make sense any data analysis of an auditor. But anyone can probably ask if those auditors have time to answer questions, or about their methods.
Quote from: Pragmatic play's home page as an example:
Pragmatic Play’s games are regularly reviewed by independent bodies that are formally accredited to ensure both randomness and fairness. As such, our games are Random Number Generator tested and certified by Gaming Laboratories International, Quinel and Gaming Associates this is also a prerequisite for all markets in which we operate.
Imagine risking a billion dollar industry by using fake audits. There's no reasonable explanation for that, especially when the biggest asset of any casino is trustworthiness and transparency.
Mathematical proof of slight house edge is the only thing they need to profit.
March 10, 2024, 04:09:37 PM
I don't think you can test provably fair on a slot machine. Someone can correct me if i'm wrong as I am actually curious of this myself.
This is true. There’s no way to test the probably fair system of slot games since they are all close source that’s why we are relying here on trust that provider is following the standards after the audit done to them since everything is online now.
Moreover, being provably fair has nothing to do with being closed source or not. Actually, most pf games are closed source.
The only problem with pf algorithms used in slots is that they are a bit more complicated and harder to verify than those used in more simple games such as dice or roulette.
@yahoo, here is an article explaining in details how the pf algorithm for BGaming slots works and how to verify that it's indeed fair:
https://bgaming.com/provably-fair
March 09, 2024, 05:46:33 PM
That's a good proposal indeed. If casinos or third partry slot providers would provide links toward reports from certifying companies, users would be less reluctant and more confident to play not provably fair games, so it could be a good thing for both sides at the end: casinos and players. Because it would certainly attract new categories of players, more suspicious players for example.
March 09, 2024, 02:35:04 PM
in Italy our local agency can perform audits and inspections both on their offices (AAMS) both with vendors (like local bookmakers).
all games here have an audit trail (you get a code at start of game). however I don't know if this can really help players or change something in case there are "smart" operatos.
all games here have an audit trail (you get a code at start of game). however I don't know if this can really help players or change something in case there are "smart" operatos.
March 09, 2024, 11:32:47 AM
To be honest I never know if there an audit for RTP and yes people usually choose a game with high RTP ratio but you are kinda right maybe we need an RTP audit hahaha, but I saw a lot of people win big 90% RTP sometimes the gambling site post a leaderboard should we still need a audit rtp in your opionion
There are many casino that would be er disclose that to the public, although this is one of the reasons why we need to keep doing research on casinos ww intended to use and keep gambling. Many of these information are not that available for users and we need to be wise and be conscious of manipulative casino that are always ready to mislead users just to keep getting frequent traffic if new users to there casino. This might not be necessary to some person but I what ever way it is, we need concentrate and look for a good casino to use. March 08, 2024, 04:43:17 AM
I would venture to say that for the Brick N mortar casinos they are regulated with much more scrutiny but the online casinos are probably a lot more loose, proabably letting things slide or not double checking everything as much probably due to lack of regulations.
This is not true. This is so not true.
Offline casinos have much more leeway for offering a scammy experience.
I would rather play on an online live poker table like Pokerstars where I know that everything is regulated and managed properly, than in an offline casino where you know that the dealer can do random stuff.
I would rather play on a 96% RTP slot machine in an online casino, than on a god-knows-how-much RTP in an offline casino, just go to Vegas and ask them for the RTP on a slot, you will hear numbers hovering around 77%.
Also, I would rather play long-term on an online casino and establish a relationship with my VIP manager and get perks, bonuses and what nots, instead of having that ghostly feeling of being just one out of many within a regular offline casino.
March 07, 2024, 11:46:44 PM
So, I know these audits are done on "brick n mortar" casinos, but what about the online gambling sites?
If these audits are done on online gambling sites, why are this not published online for transparency? It does not even have to be detailed reports, just a summary report of their findings.
I would venture to say that for the Brick N mortar casinos they are regulated with much more scrutiny but the online casinos are probably a lot more loose, proabably letting things slide or not double checking everything as much probably due to lack of regulations. There are so many small casinos now, I think that something like chip mixers are more on the radar but online gambling casinos even crypto ones are probably more so overlooked compared to something like that.
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