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Topic: Can i get banned for Card Counting in online casinos? - page 4. (Read 658 times)

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Afaik they can? But they've had multiple methods of countering this such as having multiple decks for each session, which basically ruins the chances of card counting actually having any effect throughout the entire game. If we're aware of it, then casinos are most likely also aware of it and with that being said, I don't think it even matters if you tried it, casinos themselves probably know that it's a futile effort. But still, I would err on the side of caution in these cases, since as I've said, casinos know it's futile, so in some form you should as well, so might as well not try it.
I remember I watched an episode in Big Bang Theory where Sheldon do card counting and been caught by Guards or martials since his too obvious that he is studying the cards in the table. I don't know if its possible in online but in actual casino maybe but it will requires a Intelligence as high what Sheldon is in that show. Or those who discovered ways how will it possible probably is too smart to analyze how it will works.
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You'd probably be banned if the casino noticed that you're winning much more often than the rest of the players. They must suspect that something is not right with your winning pattern. Casinos have the right not to allow undesirable gamblers. You'd probably be considered one if you're often taking away their money.

Anyway, card counting is more or less a thing of the past already with casinos usually using 6-8 decks per hand and constant shuffling with their automatic shuffle machines.
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Here the question is, have you ever seen a user getting banned from an online casino for card counting?
While using land based casino, it can be known if you are counting cards, but I do not think this would be possible on online casinos. But if you are able to count cards on an online casino known, the casino can bar you from using their platform, especially if you win most often. But card counting is more impossible on online casinos.
same thoughts here on that matter because how can an Online casino and businesses in gambling can find out if we are really counting the cards?
when they cannot even seen our Eye movement?
so basically this will be implemented in real life casinos but in Online? impossible if this can be adopted and implemented .
and as what OP says? it is not illegal in casino actually .
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Afaik they can? But they've had multiple methods of countering this such as having multiple decks for each session, which basically ruins the chances of card counting actually having any effect throughout the entire game. If we're aware of it, then casinos are most likely also aware of it and with that being said, I don't think it even matters if you tried it, casinos themselves probably know that it's a futile effort. But still, I would err on the side of caution in these cases, since as I've said, casinos know it's futile, so in some form you should as well, so might as well not try it.
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Normally, when faced with questions like that, the first thing I do is look it up on the internet. According to what I see, it is more likely to happen in Live Dealer casinos, but not in the rest, because of what was explained before:

They have multiple decks and shuffle when half of the deck is already reduced to avoid count counting.

Counting cards will not get you anywhere as most casinos online are much aware of this trick.Therefore in order to completely eliminate it they use a lot of card decks,different ones,so you can count cards all you want but this won't get you anywhere in online casinos especially.

So, I wouldn't worry too much. If in doubt, read their TOS or even ask them.
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Casino sites won't be able to track whether you're counting cards. It will also be hard for them to monitor it. However, it isn't an effective strategy anymore, especially in online casinos. Casino sites somehow know how to counter it by reshuffling the cards multiple times so if ever you'll count it, you won't have an accurate guess. I used to apply this strategy at an early age in casinos but it isn't as effective as before anymore.
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Here the question is, have you ever seen a user getting banned from an online casino for card counting?

To be clear, card counting isn't a method to always win, it's just a method to have better odds.

I Google for available information about getting ban using card counting playing online and I find one site that tackles this and its almost impossible to accuse you of card counting for lack of solid evidence to prove their allegation, on offline they can restrict you or will not allow you to play, but online it's unlikely that they will implement this

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An online casino is unlikely to ban you for card counting because the activity is nigh on impossible in most cases....

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https://www.olbg.com/casino-sites/articles/online-casinos-counting-cards
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Nah, it's not working nowadays but if ever you are trying to count cards it's not gonna work unlike in the past where they have less counter for card counting but nowadays it's difficult to penetrate the card by counting since they always reshuffle it with a brand new card.

In physical casino you could be kicked out or ban forever from the establishment if you are caught counting cards since that's basically cheating on the casino but I don't know yet if card counting will work in online casinos or maybe you will get banned in that casino but there are no news yet that says they caught someone card counting.
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Here the question is, have you ever seen a user getting banned from an online casino for card counting?

To be clear, card counting isn't a method to always win, it's just a method to have better odds.

It's very different online and offline when it comes to card counting, on offline they can sense that you are card counting but how is it possible online when they cannot see you, they should have solid proof that you are card counting when they can't even see your action or the community will give them a lousy mark for false accusation, online they ban you for multi-accounting and manipulation but card counting I don't think you'll get ban since it's not illegal.
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Casinos could ask you to get out of their establishments if they caught you counting cards on blackjack, but they cannot do more than that legally because as you said, counting cards is not illegal. Casinos have the right though to kick you out.

Some articles are saying that it is really hard to pull off and you need to be really focused to be able to completely track the flow of cards. That means you cannot really enjoy the games because you are continuously counting unless you are in Adderall or any drugs that will keep you focused, or you are Raymond in Rain man.
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Here the question is, have you ever seen a user getting banned from an online casino for card counting?

To be clear, card counting isn't a method to always win, it's just a method to have better odds.
I haven't heard any news about the gamblers being banned on a specific site because of card counting, so probably this is ok.
Gamblers will always find a way or strategy to beat the house and that gambling site already anticipate it, so maybe they also have a system that can measure if you are doing card counting or not at all. If you want to be safe and want to protect your account at all cost, better not to try this or read the terms of service, if stated there that card counting is not acceptable, then stop doing that.
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Here the question is, have you ever seen a user getting banned from an online casino for card counting?

To be clear, card counting isn't a method to always win, it's just a method to have better odds.

I've never seen anyone banned from an online game for card counting, not least because that would be extremely unfair, as the casino could never be sure that the player was doing it.

On the whole, I don't think it's right for card counters to be banned... Obviously casinos aren't obligated to accept everyone, but card counting has never been illegal.
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How the site can know if you are doing the card counting if it's just online? There's no way to prove this for the site and that's why they created a system to avoid this one. They might shuffle the cards from time to time so this one is just a waste of time because those sites already knows that someone might try to do the card counting. You can't be banned because of this, just keep it a secret and you can be good. Whatever your strategy is, don't be greedy and stay within your limit.
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Well, if a gambler keeps winning for a long time it will light an alert signal on the casino side, driving their attention to that gamblers specifically. They will investigate why he is winning so much and take action against him, probably inviting him to leave the house. I'm not sure if this kind of thing has happened in legit online casinos platforms, but there are some stories it has happened at land based ones.

I guess if it's counting cards or any other trick it is just an excuse. The goal is to remove the 'lucky' player from the casino.
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There’s already a system to counter that card counting and most of the casinos are already doing it on the live bet, so technically it will be hard to do that card counting. Since it’s an online bet, I guess you can still do that without being noticed by the site, you just need to be very careful though since it’s against the policy. You can have other strategy but for me, it will still be hard to beat the house.
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that's what i was thinking. also, they don't have rules when it comes to this strategy. how can they ever prove that you are doing this? in physical casinos, yes, they can observe you via their cameras, but with online casinos, nope. and i don't think you can beat the casino also with this technique. if the OP wants, try it online. and see if it will really improve your results. but getting caught online, that would be hard.
Yes that's right, I can't beat the casino online either. The strategy was also just to keep myself from getting bored, by observing the game and doing some strategies, and even then just following the channels of some videos that I found, and from experiences of my friends. Because there are no rules related to this strategy in some casino providers, maybe it's worth it if OP does it at live casino online, because also I've never tried it at a live casino online. It could be same with land casino?
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Yes but you can’t do that anymore on current deck of live blackjack table. They have multiple decks and shuffle when half of the deck is already reduced to avoid count counting.

So they will not believe you that you can card count.
I know that mate, but even with this people can still do the counting to see if odds are on their side or in the house side. As i mention, this method is not an always win method, is just about having a better chance to win.

No, you can't count with multiple decks... we discussed the same topic before, when you add more decks you add more combinations, and your counting needs to adapt. It's a question of how many decks they are using, and if it's +5 the number of combinations that you need to think off is just crazy!

I am sure you can try to do something more with live playing, paper, and pen! But will you succeed in raising your chances for win or not will be seen after your gambling session, I guess you can try to run some experiments with some amount you can afford to lose and share your results after. I would love to see that kind of stats...
This is the best way on finding out the answer in relation to this aspect if you could really apply that card counting on an online casino.If there are people who do get banned because of card counting
and if this one is true then presumably it could really be that possible, but how they would really be able to detect out into those people who had been card counting? This do puzzles me.
It would really be just common sense that if this one would be applied on an offline casino then you would surely be kicked out on a certain venue.
Dont know on how things been done through online.
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Counting cards will not get you anywhere as most casinos online are much aware of this trick.Therefore in order to completely eliminate it they use a lot of card decks,different ones,so you can count cards all you want but this won't get you anywhere in online casinos especially.

In offline ones you can play and can count cards but even these casinos have put checks in check like offering a different deck in order to avoid such thing,nowadays I have not heard anyone going and succeeding in black jack being in online or offline casino,in the end it still remains a game of luck.

You can still win in an offline casino if you don't accept playing with different decks,very few casinos maybe still play with only one deck and you need a huge visual memory to make it an advantage however keep in mind that just like you count cards I am sure the dealer does the same.
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Here the question is, have you ever seen a user getting banned from an online casino for card counting?

To be clear, card counting isn't a method to always win, it's just a method to have better odds.

Before asking this question, you need to look for news about someone being banned from a real casino for counting cards. I have not heard anything like this for a long time, since offline casinos have long solved this problem and those who count cards well do not threaten them in any way. Even if card counting in modern conditions gives the better odds, it still does not give an advantage over the casino.
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I didn't know about this method when gambling and you use counting method will get you kicked out. Anyways, not that I am expert about it but here's what I can say or give advice if you call it that way,  if you really don't want that to happen getting kicked out or ban from online casinos then I think that you should do card counting without showing anything that can make them tell you use that method if you want to have your chance of winning increase or to see if it will help. I also agree that online casinos may not be able to tell that you are card counting unless the casino requires you to video call with the dealer more like video call on Facebook instead of only using chat/voice call to interact with the live dealer.
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