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Quote from: seoincorporation on September 24, 2022, 10:10:05 AM

Card counting is not illegal, but in real life casinos people get kicked from casinos for this action, and casinos really hate people using this methods because it gives some advantage to the users.

If you don't know how card counting works you can read this explanation from fiulpro:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/card-counting-in-black-jack-5273810

Or you can watch this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjfLuM-Pqr8

Here the question is, have you ever seen a user getting banned from an online casino for card counting?

To be clear, card counting isn't a method to always win, it's just a method to have better odds.

Counting cards in a real casino really increases the chances of winning.

In general, when gambling, it is very important to have a competitive advantage. Card counting is such a competitive advantage. A player with a very good memory, attentiveness and reaction gets a significant advantage over the casino and other players. However, card counting is possible only when playing in a real offline casino.

In an online casino, this method does not work. It is not provided by the online casino software algorithms.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on September 24, 2022, 10:10:05 AM

Here the question is, have you ever seen a user getting banned from an online casino for card counting?

To be clear, card counting isn't a method to always win, it's just a method to have better odds.

Never have I ever seen regarding that but surely on offline setting, yes. I often wonder how can they detect when it's online? Or, they have such system that can detect it even if they aren't seeing it in personal? All I thought all this time that it was a cheat or hacks, now I know.

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I once saw the movie 21, then I started to delve a bit into counting cards. not that I've ever done that myself, but I did find it quite fascinating how it was put together. I think that is no longer possible these days, you have a card machine in every casino these days, right? Then it wouldn't be possible at all. Every casino will use that. But if we jump in time, yes I think you can easily get banned to a casino if they know you count cards. However, the question is more whether it is cheating or not?

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Quote from: seoincorporation on September 24, 2022, 10:49:06 AM

Quote from: Wapfika on September 24, 2022, 10:16:25 AM

Yes but you can’t do that anymore on current deck of live blackjack table. They have multiple decks and shuffle when half of the deck is already reduced to avoid count counting.

So they will not believe you that you can card count.

I know that mate, but even with this people can still do the counting to see if odds are on their side or in the house side. As i mention, this method is not an always win method, is just about having a better chance to win.

No, you can't count with multiple decks... we discussed the same topic before, when you add more decks you add more combinations, and your counting needs to adapt. It's a question of how many decks they are using, and if it's +5 the number of combinations that you need to think off is just crazy!

I am sure you can try to do something more with live playing, paper, and pen! But will you succeed in raising your chances for win or not will be seen after your gambling session, I guess you can try to run some experiments with some amount you can afford to lose and share your results after. I would love to see that kind of stats...

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Quote from: seoincorporation on September 24, 2022, 10:10:05 AM

Here the question is, have you ever seen a user getting banned from an online casino for card counting?

To be clear, card counting isn't a method to always win, it's just a method to have better odds.

Never seen it, to be honest I personally have tried counting cards but that didn't work, maybe i'm really stupid or just unlucky and I think this strategy can be applied in land-based casino but not online casinos. The online casino only banned users from action multiplying accounts and abusing bonuses, for card counting possibilities their program is developed with the most advanced intelligence.

I've tried it as well and it didn't work for me. I'm not sure if I had a mistake on counting but I guess card counting doesn't work for everyone. Yes, I haven't heard about a casino site that bans players for such a reason but better not do it if it could possibly cause banning.

Initially, I didn't even know what card counting was, I had to watch the YouTube video op shared in his post, and from that video, I learnt that card counting is actually a skill which not everyone has, but it can be learnt, so when you say you tried it and it didn't work, I assume you are yet to learn or master the skill... This aside.....

I am still trying to figure out how possible it is for online casinos to know when a player is counting cards, I personally think it's not possible, but I stand to be corrected any way...

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Quote from: Doell on September 24, 2022, 01:59:25 PM

Quote from: seoincorporation on September 24, 2022, 10:10:05 AM

Here the question is, have you ever seen a user getting banned from an online casino for card counting?

To be clear, card counting isn't a method to always win, it's just a method to have better odds.

Never seen it, to be honest I personally have tried counting cards but that didn't work, maybe i'm really stupid or just unlucky and I think this strategy can be applied in land-based casino but not online casinos. The online casino only banned users from action multiplying accounts and abusing bonuses, for card counting possibilities their program is developed with the most advanced intelligence.

I've tried it as well and it didn't work for me. I'm not sure if I had a mistake on counting but I guess card counting doesn't work for everyone. Yes, I haven't heard about a casino site that bans players for such a reason but better not do it if it could possibly cause banning.

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Quote from: Doell on September 24, 2022, 01:59:25 PM

Quote from: seoincorporation on September 24, 2022, 10:10:05 AM

Here the question is, have you ever seen a user getting banned from an online casino for card counting?

To be clear, card counting isn't a method to always win, it's just a method to have better odds.

Never seen it, to be honest I personally have tried counting cards but that didn't work, maybe i'm really stupid or just unlucky and I think this strategy can be applied in land-based casino but not online casino. The online casino only banned users from action multiplying accounts and abuse bonuses, for card counting possibilities their program is developed with the most advanced intelligence.

that's what i was thinking. also, they don't have rules when it comes to this strategy. how can they ever prove that you are doing this? in physical casinos, yes, they can observe you via their cameras, but with online casinos, nope. and i don't think you can beat the casino also with this technique. if the OP wants, try it online. and see if it will really improve your results. but getting caught online, that would be hard.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on September 24, 2022, 10:10:05 AM

Here the question is, have you ever seen a user getting banned from an online casino for card counting?

To be clear, card counting isn't a method to always win, it's just a method to have better odds.

Never seen it, to be honest I personally have tried counting cards but that didn't work, maybe i'm really stupid or just unlucky and I think this strategy can be applied in land-based casino but not online casino. The online casino only banned users from action multiplying accounts and abuse bonuses, for card counting possibilities their program is developed with the most advanced intelligence.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on September 24, 2022, 10:10:05 AM

Card counting is not illegal, but in real life casinos people get kicked from casinos for this action, and casinos really hate people using this methods because it gives some advantage to the users.

Some casinos may not out rightly ban you knowing they cannot do so legally, but if you become singled out as an individual who ''card counts'' and it is something which they highly detest, they can frustrate you in the casino by being unnecessarily unjust to you, so you stop coming to the casino.

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Quote from: mindrust on September 24, 2022, 10:15:38 AM

I don't think they can ban you for this. How is they gonna know if you counted cards anyway? That's not even possible. Even if it was, they wouldn't know it so I say you will be fine. Like you said it don't make you always win and you shouldn't count on it too much. If this was making you win automatically this game wouldn't have existed at all because anybody with this ability would clear out the casino.

That's right - the casino doesn't worry about the strategies (including card counting) that the player uses because it secures itself against such players in advance. If we are talking about Black Jack, then a large number of decks are used and shuffling is done until the moment when card counting starts to matter. If we are talking about roulette, then the acceptance of bets ends before the speed of the ball makes it possible to determine which sector it will fall into, etc.

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Quote from: bittraffic on September 24, 2022, 10:37:56 AM

there were issues with the countbing cards in the past. anyone can do it. the rainmaker movie for instance is just one example but the casino admin just let it go because they can't just do anything about it because the person involved is a family member.

there were issues with the countbing cards but I guess it's something that they couldn't just pin. it possible to get banned. depending to the casino.

Yeah, maybe he can do it secretly? or maybe he can make some skip rounds so that he will not be suspicious counting cards? he can do it but he needs to make sure he can hide his plan properly or else online casino will banned him forever or he will be sued if there's a law about it. I think it is not that bad, it is just part of the strategy.

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I don't care that much if you are card counting anyway. They have employed a lot of counter-measures against this activity and for sure they already expected that some of their patrons will be doing this. Perhaps if you are successful enough on your card counting they might even invite you and help them provide some feedback that can help them about this Cheesy

Most probably they'd just let it slide because they'd just lure you in to playing more and in the end they'll get more from you.

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I've to many movies and documentaries about card counting whereas casino will take action in case they found out that someone is doing it. I doubt that online casinos are an exception. I think online casino will put a limit and observe your gambling activities such as if there is any possible programs being used as card counting are much more complicated compared to offline casinos.

Also, Upon researching on google, there are various methods as to why card counting online are likely to impossible to do.

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Most Online Casinos Shuffle After Every Hand

Instead, mobile developers program games to shuffle after each hand. The result is a brand new shoe in every round. Therefore, online blackjack games essentially offer zero deck penetration. They don't give you any chance to count cards and gain an advantage.

Is counting cards possible online?

Deck Penetration: If you're considering counting cards online, this one is the killer. Many online casinos employ continuous shuffle machines. Those make card counting ineffective. But for online live dealer blackjack games that don't use a “CSM,” they will have the dealer shuffle in the middle of the shoe.

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Quote from: mindrust on September 24, 2022, 10:15:38 AM

I don't think they can ban you for this. How is they gonna know if you counted cards anyway? That's not even possible. Even if it was, they wouldn't know it so I say you will be fine...

They can realize we are counting card if we be the min amount in the first hands and big amounts while getting close to the shuffle point.

Quote from: Wapfika on September 24, 2022, 10:16:25 AM

Yes but you can’t do that anymore on current deck of live blackjack table. They have multiple decks and shuffle when half of the deck is already reduced to avoid count counting.

So they will not believe you that you can card count.

I know that mate, but even with this people can still do the counting to see if odds are on their side or in the house side. As i mention, this method is not an always win method, is just about having a better chance to win.

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there were issues with the countbing cards in the past. anyone can do it. the rainmaker movie for instance is just one example but the casino admin just let it go because they can't just do anything about it because the person involved is a family member.

there were issues with the countbing cards but I guess it's something that they couldn't just pin. it possible to get banned. depending to the casino.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on September 24, 2022, 10:10:05 AM

Card counting is not illegal, but in real life casinos people get kicked from casinos for this action, and casinos really hate people using this methods because it gives some advantage to the users.

In most online casinos, card counting is no longer possible. At least, I don't know of any reputable provider where it works.

Other than that, ofc you can get banned. The casino may exclude undesirable players from its service anytime. Even if a rule on card counting is not explicitly stated in the provider's T&Cs (which I doubt). In any case there is a clause that players can be excluded without giving a detailed reason.

I would scrap the idea and invest my time differently. You won't get rich with this idea. Sorry buddy.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on September 24, 2022, 10:10:05 AM

Here the question is, have you ever seen a user getting banned from an online casino for card counting?

While using land based casino, it can be known if you are counting cards, but I do not think this would be possible on online casinos. But if you are able to count cards on an online casino known, the casino can bar you from using their platform, especially if you win most often. But card counting is more impossible on online casinos.

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Yes but you can’t do that anymore on current deck of live blackjack table. They have multiple decks and shuffle when half of the deck is already reduced to avoid count counting.

So they will not believe you that you can card count.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on September 24, 2022, 10:10:05 AM

Card counting is not illegal, but in real life casinos people get kicked from casinos for this action, and casinos really hate people using this methods because it gives some advantage to the users.

If you don't know how card counting works you can read this explanation from fiulpro:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/card-counting-in-black-jack-5273810

Or you can watch this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjfLuM-Pqr8

Here the question is, have you ever seen a user getting banned from an online casino for card counting?

To be clear, card counting isn't a method to always win, it's just a method to have better odds.

I don't think they can ban you for this. How is they gonna know if you counted cards anyway? That's not even possible. Even if it was, they wouldn't know it so I say you will be fine. Like you said it don't make you always win and you shouldn't count on it too much. If this was making you win automatically this game wouldn't have existed at all because anybody with this ability would clear out the casino.

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Card counting is not illegal, but in real life casinos people get kicked from casinos for this action, and casinos really hate people using this methods because it gives some advantage to the users.

If you don't know how card counting works you can read this explanation from fiulpro:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/card-counting-in-black-jack-5273810

Or you can watch this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjfLuM-Pqr8

Here the question is, have you ever seen a user getting banned from an online casino for card counting?

To be clear, card counting isn't a method to always win, it's just a method to have better odds.

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