Topic: Can Israeli - Palestinian conflict worsen the crisis? - page 2. (Read 582 times)

Currently, Chuck Schumer, leader of the Democratic majority in the US Senate, is on an official visit to China; yesterday he met with Xi. Came to arrange for Xi to visit San Francisco in November. Relatively recently, Blinken also was in China. By your logic, does this mean that China supports the US and that the US supports China?

Russia does not support either side of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, but has diplomatic contacts with representatives of both sides. This is normal. When Zelensky wants to end the conflict with Russia, taking into account the real state of affairs, Russia will be ready to listen to him carefully. Or does Ukraine still hope to win?

Hamas visited the Kremlin several times to discuss the current operation. Russia was involved, and so was Iran.

Ismail Haniyeh met with Lavrov in Sept. 2022 to discuss a high-level plan for this current distraction.

Saleh Al-Arouri met with Lavrov and the RF military in March 2023 to finalize the details.

Google it first before you open your mouth.

How is that May 9th, 2022 victory parade in Kyiv coming along? Still dreaming about it?

Muslim nation supports muslim nation, isn't it so? The world is changing, Saudi Arabia and UAE want to join BRICS, US is losing dominance and there are rumors that Russia supports the war because America will prioritize Israel over Ukraine, it's a win for Russia and for Muslim world and both of them have one enemy, the United States Of America.

I bet my satoshis, you must be from middle east. I spent my one hour in reading your posts and you know the history and situation in middle east like no one. But you are so wrong when you talk about Russia. Russia invaded my country and brutally killed many people here. They were playing football with the heads of our soldiers, they made a mother of soldier to eat an eye of her son, this happened in 2008.

No, that's not double standard, that's what we are told by western media, that's how they represent it to us.

Believe it or not, many people from post-soviet countries hate Russia so much that if you ask them, they wish Germany had won the war because now we would be as developed as them and would live the same life. <-- This is not my argument or opinion, I just express how many people from post-soviet countries think. This means something, this shows you why Ukraine doesn't want Russia and fights to join Europe.

The apartheid regime of Israel is well known in the world as Child Murderers. For years they have been trying to shake this well deserved brand but have been failing because they keep murdering Palestinian children. The vague statement @light_warrior reposted here is a propaganda released by the Child Murderers to try and distract the public from their violations against Children. Interestingly enough there is absolutely no picture of this supposedly 40 children anywhere including the DailyMail which is the source!!!
Meanwhile with a simple google search you will find the pictures of the Children the Israeli terrorists murdered a couple of hours ago. That is despite the reporters that the Israelis have killed in the past couple of days, the internet and electricity they have cut off, etc. to prevent the news from coming out of Gaza.

That is disturbing and completely inhumane...
However, since this is a conflict which has already been plagued with disinformation and fake news, I would encourage you to share the original source your are quoting or referring to.

We are not supposed to alledge such horrible war crimes by neither side if we do not provide the webpage or news media where we got that from, it would only serve to increase the biases towards one side and if we started to talk about those allegations without providing sources, we will only make people more prone to believe whatever they read on internet, even propaganda by Hamas.

I just read that 40 (!) dead children were found in the Israeli settlement of Kfar Aza. Some had their heads cut off (!). Hamas, damn you. May those who support these subhumans and scum be damned. Hamas must be wiped off the face of the earth. They have no right to live. All of them to the knife, to the gallows.

They use a combination of a couple of tactics to overwhelm the enemy, apart from the launching of large number of projectiles, drones are also used to hunt down the defense batteries and radars directly and at the same time a large scale cyber attack is perform against the entire cyber infrastructure of the Zionist regime that includes the air defense (radars, Iron Dome, David's sling, etc) to disable or disrupt them.

Gone are the days that all Palestinians had against the heavily armored enemies were stones.

A single missile costs $100k Hamas rockets are much cheaper. They use cheap Qassam rockets that can be manufactured with basic tools and cost less than $1k.
They also buy old Soviet Katyusha rockets and newer Grad and some modern ones supplied by Iran.

Each Iron Dome battery has 20 missiles loaded and needs time to reload.
According to Wikipedia Israelis have between 10 and 15 batteries deployed.

This means that at most, with full capacity and 100% accuracy, the system can stop 300 missiles.

Hamas claims to have launched 5000, but other sources say 2000 unguided rockets. There was no way to stop that many, which is why they launched all at once. They knew it would overpower the defense system.

It's not about how significant the country might seem. It's how significant the allies of those countries are. Left to face off, Israel would "wipe Palestine off the map" but why haven't they done that since? They've been doing whatever they want to Palestine.

When Ukraine stood up to Russia people said the same thing but here we are today months later and the war is still on and Russia has not been able to successfully take over Ukraine.


They're fighting for what they believe in. You don't expect them to just sit down and watch while a superior power wipes them off the face of the earth.
To them, they're fighting for their freedom. It always seems impossible until it's done.

Secondly, for to be able to rise against Israel it means they must have been getting support somewhere. The motive of the people supporting them may be does not matter to them.

Where is there any proof in the article to support that claim?


Because it's in their interest! They don't want US to supply weapons to Ukraine, so they will spread these rumors to decrease public support.
Further in the article they even say that these weapons could be the ones left behind by US forces.

Problem with Israel is that they can win 1000 wars, but lose only 1

Yes, I agree it's completely pointless if you think logically. But that's exactly why I'm suspicious. If a conflict makes no sense it normally means that someone or something is creating and supporting it artificially.

Could you please provide a source for such a bold claim?


They can create pretty much anything but the question is whether they can afford it and whether the US can afford it. If I'm not mistaken, most components (including rockets) of the Iron Dome were provided by the US.

Modern warfare is changing, you can be surprisingly efficient with low budget and poorly equipped. Ukraine showed it with cheap drones vs Russian fighter jets, unmanned boats vs rocket cruisers, ATGMs vs tanks etc etc etc.... And Hamas has got very motivated fighters, much more aggressive and fearless than Israeli conscripts. So I wouldn't say that this "victory" will come easy.  

What I’ve seen so far is horrific, so many lives lost on both sides. It’s really horrible that this is happening, I just hope a resolution can be found quickly & peace can be brokered. It was on the news this morning that even in London, there has been attacks on Jewish businesses, with anti-sematic murmurings. I just hope this isn’t all false flag narratives to profit from war.

^^^
That is easily debunkable.

* There is population concentration but if you look up Gaza on google maps you'll see that there is also large unpopulated areas. Many of which are covered with trees (inaccurate use of the word "jungle" by me) like this screenshot from North Eastern Gaza without any tall apartments in sight for the terrorists to bomb:


* You can compare google maps with some of the videos I mentioned above from all these years where there is a face off and see that every time there is a rocket launch, it clearly is from an open area without any tall buildings in sight. You can also see the cover of trees used to hide the positions in some videos. Examples:
Rocket barrage system Rojum in the middle of "jungle":

Palestinian "air defense" brigade shooting down an Israeli helicopter from the middle of "jungle":


* The past 4 days has been mainly a land attack not a rocket attack like previous battles; this means majority of Palestinian forces are already on the front line and inside the occupied land, not in Gaza itself to be hit by any air raids when the terrorists bomb apartments!

* Israeli terrorists are mainly using precision strikes so even claiming or inferring it is a "mistake" is outright false.

* The targets which these terrorist are hitting with their fighter jets are civilian, many of which are too obvious to be civilian like the schools built and controlled by United Nations (UNRWA), hospitals as I mentioned earlier too, the press building, even ambulances in middle of the roads!

Yep. However, I must note that the recent statement by the Israeli Minister of Defense and the subsequent actions of the IDF can be qualified as genocide of the Palestinian people and the dehumanization of the image of the enemy, characteristic of the Nazis.



It is a shame that decision-makers in Israel so quickly forgot the lessons of history. I think the entire Netanyahu government should immediately resign as a disgrace to its people and unsuitable for its profession.

Its not strange, as if they would take all the land, they should give everyone Israeli citizenship. They want them cleansed from that area
before they take land


Not true, for pure logistical reasons...Gaza is so small and overpopulated that anywhere you shoot from, its "civilian area", there's very few open spaces and surely not any "jungle"

At roughly 140 square miles, the Gaza Strip is just over twice the size of Washington, D.C., but has triple the population.

There isn't really anything new here though. US has been sending billions of dollars of American taxpayers money to Israel for as long as it existed (ie. after its artificial creation in post WW2).

Sometimes the choices you have are to either sit back and let the genocide continue until nothing is left of you, your family and your race or you try something and hope to win.
BTW Israel doesn't murder women and children to "hit a few combatants", the armed Palestinians aren't even in their vicinity to be killed in such airstrikes. The Zionist terrorists murder children to discourage the resistance at the front from advancing.

This is also clear from the videos where we see the Palestinian resistance launching their rockets. The locations are always an open space, jungle, desert, etc. You never see any buildings anywhere close.
However when Israel uses the US donated bombers, they are always bombing civilian buildings and schools like the UN school they bombed murdering dozens of children and hospitals like the International Eye Hospital in Gaza 2 days ago.

More like dozens and it is a rocket defense not a missile defense.
This was also mainly a ground assault not like before which was solely a rocket attack from afar. This is why Gaza size is now doubled as they have already liberated nearly the same size around the strip and last I checked they are close to opening a route to the West Bank (the remaining Palestine) which would effectively surround the occupiers from 3 sides.

This is a pointless conflict. Hamas can never win, and Israel can only kill more innocents just to try to hit a few combatants.
I guess the only ones who win are arm dealers. Palestine can never work as a country, what the UN has on paper is a bad joke designed to never ever work. In practice, it is the rule of Israel, but Israel is doing something strange, they didn't finish conquering the place and kept those sort of open prison / ghettos to shoot at like fish in a barrel every so often.

So Hamas kept quiet, piled a bunch of rockets then launched them all at the same time, they got some people in Israel, then what? Can they take Jerusalem or some other city? They can't so what was the point of this? Avenge martyrs creating more martyrs? Israel as usual will just carpet bomb that strip and other spots. Last time i remember they used that internationally banned chemical weapon called white phosphor (just like Russia did in Ukraine), they even killed their own soldiers in their overpowered operations, but still didn't achieve the objective to "disarm/eliminate" all combatants.

Iron Dome was probably designed for hundreds but not thousands of missiles. They can make a better system able to deal with thousands and the opposition will try ten thousand, it never ends. Actually, you can add drones now. Israel has way more military power than several other much larger countries, this is why any sort of "response" ends demolishing buildings and killing thousands of civilians.

After yet another mountain of corpses, Hamas will stop, because most of them end killed or just ran out of ammo. Israel on the other hand, can keep going, and going and going but will stop only after they see no more attacks (for the aforementioned reason) and declare it another "victory"...

That land is not worth it. Some people want to paint it religiously but it really isn't. It might sound surprising but the Zionist project is in fact political and its original proposal even had two alternative locations. Jerusalem may be contested by Abrahamic religions but not the rest of the country, and religious people would probably not care who rules as long as they are allowed their rites in peace with each other.

If you are on telegram you can see tons of uncensored videos with this nonsense carnage.

I saw it on BBC that US are sending what would help Isreal in defense.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67049196.amp
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67050350?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=6524607efd63b979e1accddd%26Pentagon%20briefing%3A%20US%20warships%20and%20munitions%20en%20route%20to%20Israel%262023-10-09T20%3A43%3A15.865Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:73e99722-3330-4ed6-996b-6787b14382ba&pinned_post_asset_id=6524607efd63b979e1accddd&pinned_post_type=share


The influence that Palestine will have would be from Muslim countries like Iran: https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/israel-hamas-gaza-rockets-attack-palestinians/card/hamas-says-attacks-on-israel-were-backed-by-iran-kb2ySPwSyBrYpQVUPyM9

Russians are main Christians and Isreal will have more influence in Christian countries. Although, Isreal are Jews but in reality, the Christian countries will prefer to support them. Muslim countries are the ones backing Palestine, I guess.

Although Russia has always been neutral about the conflict between Isreal and Palestine.

Exactly, this OP just want to stir up things with no actual proof or basis, there's nothing like that (as of now?). Well, some are arguing it could be Iran that supports these militants but Iran deny the allegations.