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Quote from: Oshosondy on March 03, 2021, 04:29:32 AM

In world, there is hierarchy, that is why some people are rich, some are average, some are not that rich but still having good living some are poor, while the poor still look at some and still appreciate life because they are poorer. I am beginning to thinking laziness can be the result of some people not having good living, while some is purely due to ignorant an lack of knowledge and exposure, some even only lack information.

I am thinking with how people is, is there a way possible for everyone to live without being poor, though their can be hierarchy but in a way no one is poor? But I am thinking it is not possible. If anything happens today that the poor are richer and got richer than the rich people, the rich people will become poor too because life is not just balance.

Economically, can there be a way people can live and no one will be poor?

Well of course laziness is the result of many people not having "good living".. but with that said, there are countless people whom are poor and have zero chance of ever changing that no matter how hard they work or what they do. Imagine growing up in a country like Syria, there are countless people there who have absolutely no control over how their lives turn out. Very sad.

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Quote from: virasog on August 12, 2021, 03:55:06 AM

No matter how equally you divide the wealth there will still be some people who have more money and and still many people who have less money.
Without this the difference in the world we cannot find people who are willing to do odd jobs or fulfill them.

It doesn't matter. The question here is whether the world can be without poverty or not. Poverty may cease to exist, but the wealth disparity may remain. Wealth equality is theoretically possible only in socialist countries. And socialism is a failed concept, as seen from infinite number of examples. Personally it is possible for the governments to manage poverty, if overall wealth levels are high (irrespective of wealth disparity). But that is not possible, in case the overall wealth levels are low. The governments can tax the rich, and distribute a part of it to the poor.

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Quote from: MKings on August 12, 2021, 01:23:59 AM

Poverty is a relatively relative term, and everyone can define poverty.
If poverty is eliminated, it means that the world is equal and fair.
The most basic way to get rid of poverty is to rely on labor and get how much money you do. But it is difficult to cross classes. The more you go up, the more you need to broaden your horizons and increase your knowledge reserves.
Poor people are slow to accept information and will accept wrong information.
Learn to control risks, control risks, control desires, and save money.

No matter how equally you divide the wealth there will still be some people who have more money and and still many people who have less money.
Without this the difference in the world we cannot find people who are willing to do odd jobs or fulfill them.

Logically right, if all have the same level who's going to do the job.

Though poverty can be less if people are capable to have proper educations, if they can get equal opportunities the chance is high for the not to suffer.

The fate is different from people who have the good education, the foundation ponder your future.

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In Economics, we say anybody who is below the absolute line is poor and by this, it means not being able to provide for three basic needs of life; food, clothing, and shelter. I don't think the world can be rid of poverty with this measure, it can just be monitored and reduced to the barest minimum.

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Quote from: MKings on August 12, 2021, 01:23:59 AM

Poverty is a relatively relative term, and everyone can define poverty.
If poverty is eliminated, it means that the world is equal and fair.
The most basic way to get rid of poverty is to rely on labor and get how much money you do. But it is difficult to cross classes. The more you go up, the more you need to broaden your horizons and increase your knowledge reserves.
Poor people are slow to accept information and will accept wrong information.
Learn to control risks, control risks, control desires, and save money.

No matter how equally you divide the wealth there will still be some people who have more money and and still many people who have less money.
Without this the difference in the world we cannot find people who are willing to do odd jobs or fulfill them.

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Poverty is a relatively relative term, and everyone can define poverty.
If poverty is eliminated, it means that the world is equal and fair.
The most basic way to get rid of poverty is to rely on labor and get how much money you do. But it is difficult to cross classes. The more you go up, the more you need to broaden your horizons and increase your knowledge reserves.
Poor people are slow to accept information and will accept wrong information.
Learn to control risks, control risks, control desires, and save money.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on March 03, 2021, 04:29:32 AM

In world, there is hierarchy, that is why some people are rich, some are average, some are not that rich but still having good living some are poor, while the poor still look at some and still appreciate life because they are poorer. I am beginning to thinking laziness can be the result of some people not having good living, while some is purely due to ignorant an lack of knowledge and exposure, some even only lack information.

I am thinking with how people is, is there a way possible for everyone to live without being poor, though their can be hierarchy but in a way no one is poor? But I am thinking it is not possible. If anything happens today that the poor are richer and got richer than the rich people, the rich people will become poor too because life is not just balance.

Economically, can there be a way people can live and no one will be poor?

Well, having no poor is imposible as long as there are:

1. People who want to be at the top and be richer than the other with no contentment and consideration.
2. A corrupt, and power abuser government officials
3. People who are too greedy for money
4. People who have too big family but they can't support, no family planning.
5. Unequal oppurtunities given to poor and middle class

Poverty is always there and every country has it. And also we can't eliminate it, but it was on us if we will be one of the people who are at the bottom of the hierarchy or at the top.

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Quote from: Sir Legend on August 11, 2021, 05:20:43 AM

The world was created to need each other, it is impossible for a world without the poor because those who work hard and become laborers are poor people, if everyone is rich then no one wants to be a farmer, fisherman and so on. poor and rich need and benefit each other so that life can go on.

That is not true. There are countries with hardly anyone living in poverty, such as Switzerland and Norway. There are laborers in these countries as well. But the difference is that they are paid at decent rates. It depends on the strength of the economy. If the economy is strong and the population is small, then irrespective of the job everyone will be paid good salaries. On the other hand, if the economy is in a poor state and there is an oversupply of labor, then the wage levels will be very low (India, African nations.etc).

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Quote from: StanleyBoyle on August 07, 2021, 12:51:40 AM

It is very possible to reach that kind of world. Although it looks very far away now, the world created by the Creator should not be like this. The evolution of human beings on earth will definitely realize our ideal world, and a world like heaven will come true. It just takes time and needsThe lead of a big event.

The world was created to need each other, it is impossible for a world without the poor because those who work hard and become laborers are poor people, if everyone is rich then no one wants to be a farmer, fisherman and so on. poor and rich need and benefit each other so that life can go on.

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Quote from: King Khaizan on August 10, 2021, 06:05:33 AM

All of us want to be rich and no one wants to be poor. But in fact, the number of poor people is hundreds of times more than the rich. This fact is not only in our day, but has happened since the early days of human reproduction. Likewise, the human desire to be rich has existed since time immemorial. It is the same with people's pride in wealth and considers the glory and honor to be in people whose wealth or high position has emerged thousands of years ago.

In my opinion, rich and poor are purely God's gifts.

Only God can determine whether someone is rich or not. Therefore, being rich has nothing to do with intelligence, higher education or descent. How many rich people, even though their intelligence is mediocre, or have not graduated from college or have never had a tertiary education or their parents are not rich. So rich can not be engineered by humans. If humans can manipulate themselves or others to become rich, we will inevitably see that the richest people are the smartest in school and the increase in the number of rich people in this world is growing fantastically so that the number of poor people is getting thinner or maybe no longer exists.

As for me, it is more correct to compare with physical processes - it is like matter and antimatter ... Poverty is antimatter that only absorbs, but does not produce a sufficient amount of "useful energy". Wealth, or even the "middle class" is the generation of cash flows, development, progress, production of useful entities, "positive energy." And only an unbalanced system (when there is "light and dark" energies) lives in motion, a balanced system is stable and immobile. And life is a movement, so there will never be equality ... Well, or rather, at some point, general complete equality will come, but this will coincide with the death of humanity.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on March 03, 2021, 04:29:32 AM

In world, there is hierarchy, that is why some people are rich, some are average, some are not that rich but still having good living some are poor, while the poor still look at some and still appreciate life because they are poorer. I am beginning to thinking laziness can be the result of some people not having good living, while some is purely due to ignorant an lack of knowledge and exposure, some even only lack information.

I am thinking with how people is, is there a way possible for everyone to live without being poor, though their can be hierarchy but in a way no one is poor? But I am thinking it is not possible. If anything happens today that the poor are richer and got richer than the rich people, the rich people will become poor too because life is not just balance.

Economically, can there be a way people can live and no one will be poor?

If hunger is poverty, then it is no problem to eradicate hunger, if poverty is a comparison. Then obviously impossible.
To solve "poverty" is not to equalize the rich and the poor, but to allow all those who wish to get rid of the current situation to have a way, or at least feel that there is hope that they can go on

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Quote from: Semar Mesem on August 10, 2021, 08:43:19 AM

Quote from: StanleyBoyle on August 07, 2021, 12:51:40 AM

It is very possible to reach that kind of world. Although it looks very far away now, the world created by the Creator should not be like this. The evolution of human beings on earth will definitely realize our ideal world, and a world like heaven will come true. It just takes time and needsThe lead of a big event.

Currently too many people are greedy and don't care about others, their wealth can not run out up to 10 generations but they don't care about people who are hungry, poverty seems impossible to disappear as long as many people are greedy and do everything they can to get rich.

but there are also rich people who carry out social actions even in fantastic numbers, because indeed they (the poor) cannot be given just one help, indeed this becomes complicated, when we give business or work to them, but not all of them have the enthusiasm to change his life, so that it seems impossible to exclude the poor in a country

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Quote from: Semar Mesem on August 10, 2021, 08:43:19 AM

Quote from: StanleyBoyle on August 07, 2021, 12:51:40 AM

It is very possible to reach that kind of world. Although it looks very far away now, the world created by the Creator should not be like this. The evolution of human beings on earth will definitely realize our ideal world, and a world like heaven will come true. It just takes time and needsThe lead of a big event.

Currently too many people are greedy and don't care about others, their wealth can not run out up to 10 generations but they don't care about people who are hungry, poverty seems impossible to disappear as long as many people are greedy and do everything they can to get rich.

- I would like to complain about such people when I stand on the position of someone who likes to talk about morality and social justice but in fact, they have efforts, their greed can only be called a bad point but this action is not bad and does not affect others, the result they have is a process of their labor, they still give charity in times of need and sometimes their selfishness is normal. They are not the main cause of poverty and the poor have no special relationship with them, envy and blame them, that is impossible

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Quote from: StanleyBoyle on August 07, 2021, 12:51:40 AM

It is very possible to reach that kind of world. Although it looks very far away now, the world created by the Creator should not be like this. The evolution of human beings on earth will definitely realize our ideal world, and a world like heaven will come true. It just takes time and needsThe lead of a big event.

Currently too many people are greedy and don't care about others, their wealth can not run out up to 10 generations but they don't care about people who are hungry, poverty seems impossible to disappear as long as many people are greedy and do everything they can to get rich.

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Quote from: Kusman on August 09, 2021, 04:33:34 PM

It is actually possible that mankind could put an end to poverty. But they don't want to deal with such thing so nothing has changed about it so far. People can still be workers etc.. But they shouldn't be paid unfairly in any country. They aren't working for nothing in the end. They also want to have what they want. It is the duty of governments to offer better conditions for these people.

Possible but.

We will never find that to happen for most of the countries in the world. It's one of the wish that we cannot ever see and make it happen. But for some countries even if they're rich already, there will still be those people that are on the poverty threshold.

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All of us want to be rich and no one wants to be poor. But in fact, the number of poor people is hundreds of times more than the rich. This fact is not only in our day, but has happened since the early days of human reproduction. Likewise, the human desire to be rich has existed since time immemorial. It is the same with people's pride in wealth and considers the glory and honor to be in people whose wealth or high position has emerged thousands of years ago.

In my opinion, rich and poor are purely God's gifts.

Only God can determine whether someone is rich or not. Therefore, being rich has nothing to do with intelligence, higher education or descent. How many rich people, even though their intelligence is mediocre, or have not graduated from college or have never had a tertiary education or their parents are not rich. So rich can not be engineered by humans. If humans can manipulate themselves or others to become rich, we will inevitably see that the richest people are the smartest in school and the increase in the number of rich people in this world is growing fantastically so that the number of poor people is getting thinner or maybe no longer exists.

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Quote from: Dragonfund on August 09, 2021, 09:35:26 PM

It's almost impossible for the world to live without labour and as long as that exists, poverty will always be around, there is no any side to it.
The day it stop, that will be the day money and value may cease to exist. As long as there are others willing to offer cheap labour, it can never be eradicate though it may be reduce.
Poverty create level and this level has created difference as among us, the moment that ceese to exist, even the president of a nation sovereign power will be useless.

You are not getting it. "Cheap labour" exists, because supply outstrips demand. And this oversupply will be there as long as human population increases without any limit. The planet is not able to sustain such huge human population. At the most, it can sustain 1-2 billion people. But the world population is estimated to reach 12 billion by 2100. That means that there will be an oversupply of labour and it will ensure that the pay scale remains low. Salaries are high in countries that have managed to limit population growth.

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Quote from: StanleyBoyle on August 07, 2021, 12:51:40 AM

It is very possible to reach that kind of world. Although it looks very far away now, the world created by the Creator should not be like this. The evolution of human beings on earth will definitely realize our ideal world, and a world like heaven will come true. It just takes time and needsThe lead of a big event.

It's almost impossible for the world to live without labour and as long as that exists, poverty will always be around, there is no any side to it.
The day it stop, that will be the day money and value may cease to exist. As long as there are others willing to offer cheap labour, it can never be eradicate though it may be reduce.
Poverty create level and this level has created difference as among us, the moment that ceese to exist, even the president of a nation sovereign power will be useless.

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It is actually possible that mankind could put an end to poverty. But they don't want to deal with such thing so nothing has changed about it so far. People can still be workers etc.. But they shouldn't be paid unfairly in any country. They aren't working for nothing in the end. They also want to have what they want. It is the duty of governments to offer better conditions for these people.

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Quote from: StanleyBoyle on August 07, 2021, 12:51:40 AM

It is very possible to reach that kind of world. Although it looks very far away now, the world created by the Creator should not be like this. The evolution of human beings on earth will definitely realize our ideal world, and a world like heaven will come true. It just takes time and needsThe lead of a big event.

It's not going to happen.

It's like having a world that has all businessman and there are no people that shall work for them because everyone is rich. There's the balance in the world.

And that's the sad reality that has been happening ever since the old days and it will continue in the future.

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