Topic: Can the world be without poverty - page 8. (Read 10039 times)

What about "systemic poverty"? Let me explain now. Systemic poverty is when the inhabitants of an entire country, at the level of state propaganda, impose the opinion that living well and richly is bad, that wealth (or an average and higher standard of living) is evil? Vivid examples are the USSR, which has sunk into history, the existing North Korea, etc. countries, as a rule, are the heirs of the concept of socialism in the Soviet way.
At the same time, the leaders of such countries, and the top of the government in such countries, always live in a separate isolated world, with a high level of income, immersed in luxury and wealth

Corruption, of course, has a very broad impact, especially on the lives of the poor in rural and urban areas, there are several bad impacts that will be received by the poor due to corruption, among them, making them poor people (the poor) tend to receive fewer social services and receive less attention. or the high price of public services and services, low quality of service, limited access such as health due to misappropriation of funds into the pockets of the corrupt.

One other example of corrupt activities is the misuse of education funds or money for underprivileged school children so that the consequences of this deviation in education funds will have an impact on the community or underprivileged children because their right to receive a decent education is lost. Even if you can access the facilities, it will not be good and the underprivileged children also have to pay for school, while the cost of education is not cheap, this is what ultimately causes many children to drop out of school. The increasing number of children dropping out of school makes the level of education in the community lower, it will trigger an increase in the complexity of the pre-existing poverty problem.

I think as long as there are greedy and corrupt people specially to those who are working in the government there are always poor. They always says poverty is not the hindrance to success, will in my part i think that was only a sayings, how can we go to school without any expenses, how can we live life without money ? Well i will say you are lucky if you are born rich.

Putting that into simple explanation, those rich people allow their Childs to inherit their wealth,

but aside from the wealth itself they also gave all the spice that's needed to continue being wealthy, not to allow their child to overspend those luxury and place them into situation where they will manage the business with the guidance that will continue to prosper the business.

however, those who are in the poor side will continue to push their child to an early labor to survive life, same cycle and only those who have determinations and luck will change their fate.

  For me difinitely not happen that the world without poverty cause I believe that their a cases due that over population and some government can't notice the problem  of the society it is hard to addressed this kind of scenario. That's why we can prevent poverty in everywhere. But maybe we can reduce in discipline ourselves and learn to listen the Government implementation regards in reducing poverty .

And without proper research, it is clear that wealth breeds even more wealth. It is no secret to anyone, and joint research has been conducted on this topic, that the absolute greatness of today's great wealth is obtained not through earning from scratch, but through inheritance. It's just that y different strata of the population have different priorities and if the rich strata are looking for ways to increase their wealth and they have all the conditions and resources for this, it's the poor strata of the present who are deprived of all this and are simply concerned with the issues of a decent life at best, survival at worst. It's just that these are the rules of the game of modern civilization. And there is no need to talk about laziness and lack of diligence, it's just that all the billions of inhabitants of the Earth cannot be Gates and Bezos, purely physical.

According to a new study published by the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, people who grew up in poor households are, as adults, more likely to be poor than those who grew up in rich households. Especially when faced with economic uncertainty in the future. Exposure to instability hinders their ability to complete challenging tasks. In one experiment, researchers found that individuals with poor childhoods gave up trying to solve difficult puzzles -- more than 25 percent gave up earlier than those with rich backgrounds.

This is really a sad truth most rich people wouldn't want the poor to be rich because there feel the poor will be on the same status with them and there will be lack of servant to carry on the duties of the poor, most people why they are poor is because of lack of information and opportunities, they  are so many people out there who are really knowledgeable but still poor because of lack of information and the rich got a lot of opportunities which can be utilized by the poor and within a short time frame there would also be rich.

Poor is a relative term.
I mean that poor people differe from each other: the poor people from the Middle Ages were different from the poor that live nowadays or American poor people are not the same as Chinese poor people. A poor person means a man who is lacking sufficient money to live at a standard considered comfortable or normal in a society. Technically, we can get rid of poverty right now by lowering the living standrads. Poor people's financial situation will not change but officially they will not be considered as poor.
There is such a philosophical concept which is called 'Communism'. It implies that there will not be rich or poor, everybody will be equal. But it works only in theory, in practice there is still stratification of society which we observed in Soviet Union or North Korea or anywhere else. Surely, one can say that these countries haven't reached the communism but they were the closest to it in their mindset. It goes without saying that communism is impossible but it may be the only theory which aspires to financial equality.
If we have free markets, there wiil be also people who earn less or more, which drives us to the conclusion that poor people will also exist. Perhaps, one day the poor will live better than contemporary middle class (remember my comparison to Middle Ages), but they will still be treated like the poor.

Today the world has become more money minded. The importance of money in our daily lives as of now is much more than what it was two or three decades back. And in 99% of the cases, being in a good financial position (i.e having enough money in hand) is synonymous with good mental and physical health. One reason for this is the transformation of society. A few decades back, at least in the developing world a lot of villages used to have a community based lifestyle. But now it has shifted to family-based structure. Even the families have become smaller. Extended families were common previously, but now the average family size is 2 to 4 individuals.

The team "Rich" has different meaning for different people, being rich does not necessarily mean to have plenty of money, some people are poor in the eyes of other people, but they consider themselves rich while other people we think are rich are actually poor mentally.
But to answer the question based on the OPs perspective, everybody can not be rich, and for those we might consider poor, we should understand that some of this people aren't necessarily poor because they are lazy or lack information, we all should know that alot happens in the spiritual world far more than we know in the physical, God didn't create everyone to be rich and this set of people, no matter how hard they work or how much information at their disposal, they can never be rich in the eyes of other people but within themselves, they are satisfied with whatever they have, this is why we see a shoe maker who we consider poor but when offered a better job, he will reject it and tell you how he's very comfortable with he's shoe making business.

I agree with your statement that laziness can be the result of some people not having a better life, I say poor. If lazy people can change their mindset, maybe they can change the economy of their life. even though they can't have a lot of wealth, they can make their lives better. not a few people around me who do not have knowledge and lack of information. but they can feel the comfort of life because they are willing to learn and work with passion. so I think the main factor of poverty is laziness. I believe that if everyone had passion and was not lazy, there would be no poverty in this world.

I, in my life, never came to the conclusion that happiness and money are a synonym or two entities complementing each other. I am most impressed by this proverb: money is a good servant or assistant, but a disgusting master.

It is a very important point. The important thing is that the essential needs can be taken care of. For example, someone who is considered as "poor" in a developed nation such as Norway or Germany will be in a much better position considered to someone else who is classified as "upper middle class" in a country such as India or Nigeria. So what does this mean? IMO, the priority must be given to the overall development of the country. The focus just on the poor will drag down the economic growth and it will hamper the eradication of poverty in the long run.

"The status in life is a choice to do something to make you rich."

With all due respect, my friend, how much in your life have you travelled, to which places have you travelled, and where are you from? I have seen places and people who were given no choices at all. In Africa in particular there is a variety of places where it is all about fate. If you are born in a privileged country, you are right. If you are born in a suppressed country, it really depends. Even in India the caste system is still so prevalent that the lowest castes can't just decide to become somebody else. By the time they are old enough to make reasonable and rational decisions, they have been brainwashed in regards to their status so much that they think there is nothing else for them in life to go for.

Survival is like a daily task to them. It is true that it's one of the important thing that they have to deal in their daily living.

Like where they're going to get their food for their table if jobs aren't stable. That's how they deal with their daily lives which is a very difficult task if we're going to imagine about it.

But with that experience, I've saw people who worked hard and smartly to overcome this trial of poverty.

rich and poor has become a natural law because the world must be balanced.  In my opinion, people who are poor in wealth do not matter, the most important thing is that all their needs can be met.  and it is the role of the rich who helps the welfare of the poor.  so all there must be intimacy and mutual understanding and mutual help.  You don't have to be all rich and you don't have to be all poor

This is exactly the reason there will be poverty in the world. If you believe that some people "deserve" to be poor, either because lack of motivation, or because laziness, or because lack of information or whatever the reason would be, I would say that you are doing a propaganda for capitalist rich people.

There is zero person in the world who deserves to live in poverty, doesn't matter even if they decline to work, I am being honest here if you decide you do not want to work and sit around and do nothing all day, that is still not a good enough reason for you to be in poverty, why? Because the world has enough resources to give every single human a standard of life.

However the reality is that there are over a billion people who work and still earn less than poverty level, how about those people? They are working and still underpaid, they are not lazy, they are workers, over a billion people, how can we accept that and just say "they should have been better and earned more" when they are providing some to the world, even if it is just a mcdonalds cook? Even if its just janitor? Every single human in the entire world should live a base of income where they are fine. And this is for big nations, when you go to Africa or south aside you see a lot of people who have even good jobs and still live in poverty because the whole nation is in a mess. Basically the reason why we have poverty is people like you two that deem some people unworthy.

From my experience poverty and corruption are totally related. Corruption means someone is having inadequate advantage over others. It's a relation of abuse of an individual towards other, and although those on the top of the society's pyramid can also be the abused ones, it's more likely they are the abusers, because in corrupt societies people must corrupt themselves to achieve wealthy status.
While those who don't participate such schemes will be put aside from the society, being hard to thrive and becoming doomed to the poverty, if relying only on the local community or country to have opportunities. It happens in private and public sectors.

Maybe you are right, but as long as the government cares enough about all level of its people, the poverty rate is much less. There are still many other factor that may make poverty on this earth ineradicable and very difficult to perfect. Employment, knowledge, education are some of the factor I mean.