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I don't think trading can be considered as gambling though both posses risks and both are unpredictable. However, trading for me is better than gambling since it requires discipline and analysis and if you treat trading as business you'll likely success

Before treating it has a business you need to learn first how trading works otherwise you can lose a lot of money in it. It is not so easy to make a profit from trading like how we think because timing is very important to buy and sell. Many experts also lost a lot of money in it so you should be very careful and don't just invest all your money in one or two coins. Need to diversify properly to reduce riks.

We all have a chance to learn trading, we will all start from the beginning and every stage has different approach and one thing that is necessary
is that you need to start with a small amount of money when you are just starting as eventually you will improve that will be the time that you will be more aggressive.

with some learning in trading will makes us know how to determine the price is up or is down and we have a chance to make profit from trading although we can not always get the profit. but in gambling, we need to have a luck to win the games so we can win the money. its different ways to make money but i am prefer with trading because trading can give the best opportunity to us to make money and reach our goals in future.

the word opportunity is much better when you are into trading since learning has no limitations as long as you wanted to achieved more the better chances that you will able to gain knowledge that you can use for having an edge with trading activity while inside gambling its always luck that you
needed to win bigger stake.

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I don't think trading can be considered as gambling though both posses risks and both are unpredictable. However, trading for me is better than gambling since it requires discipline and analysis and if you treat trading as business you'll likely success

Before treating it has a business you need to learn first how trading works otherwise you can lose a lot of money in it. It is not so easy to make a profit from trading like how we think because timing is very important to buy and sell. Many experts also lost a lot of money in it so you should be very careful and don't just invest all your money in one or two coins. Need to diversify properly to reduce riks.

We all have a chance to learn trading, we will all start from the beginning and every stage has different approach and one thing that is necessary
is that you need to start with a small amount of money when you are just starting as eventually you will improve that will be the time that you will be more aggressive.

with some learning in trading will makes us know how to determine the price is up or is down and we have a chance to make profit from trading although we can not always get the profit. but in gambling, we need to have a luck to win the games so we can win the money. its different ways to make money but i am prefer with trading because trading can give the best opportunity to us to make money and reach our goals in future.

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Obviously not. If trading was gambling, then all the wall street offices would shut down after being in loss, because no one will invest money into them if it is considered as trading. There is just risk, which is true for a lot of things in life. Its just not a pure gamble.

I agree with you, maybe gambling and trading has money involve but the result is different. Gambling result in the end is zero, unlike in trading that has sure profit. And if we become addicted in gambling we always want to play even we have no money, we always want to come back for chances of winning or back some lose money. And if we become addicted in trading the result is good, because if we stop from the failures/mistakes we did not reach our aim especially in bitcoin that gives huge profit to the trader.

I don't agree with you about trading is a sure profit , there's a lot of people who suffering huge loss in trading.
And even for some people trading are still not profitable especially when you do it without preparation .
I mean there is a big difference when you trade with a proper analysis and when you trade on picking a buy/sell positiin based on nothing but your feeling in hope to get a luck. That time you do gamble on the market.

Most people lose in trading as well, you must remember that the money you earn from trading must come from somewhere, so if you have great profits then that means that someone is looking at the same screen as you but instead of being happy that person is lamenting the losses he has.

Trading is a zero-sum game if someone else losing profit, some else gaining profit.The problem is that for a person who is just started to getting into the markets can be excited by the gains but scared of making a mistake and so they choose a safer option like following others trade. Instead, if they spent the time learning to trade they could avoid an unnecessary risk

And the worst part is that the only ones that are guaranteed to make a profit are the exchanges, with their spreads and with the commission they charge, while creating a bitcoin exchange is difficult once it is running and it is popular it must be one of the easiest ways to make money.

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I don't think trading can be considered as gambling though both posses risks and both are unpredictable. However, trading for me is better than gambling since it requires discipline and analysis and if you treat trading as business you'll likely success

Before treating it has a business you need to learn first how trading works otherwise you can lose a lot of money in it. It is not so easy to make a profit from trading like how we think because timing is very important to buy and sell. Many experts also lost a lot of money in it so you should be very careful and don't just invest all your money in one or two coins. Need to diversify properly to reduce riks.

We all have a chance to learn trading, we will all start from the beginning and every stage has different approach and one thing that is necessary
is that you need to start with a small amount of money when you are just starting as eventually you will improve that will be the time that you will be more aggressive.

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Quote from: felicegabis on November 03, 2017, 05:31:01 PM

I don't think trading can be considered as gambling though both posses risks and both are unpredictable. However, trading for me is better than gambling since it requires discipline and analysis and if you treat trading as business you'll likely success

Before treating it has a business you need to learn first how trading works otherwise you can lose a lot of money in it. It is not so easy to make a profit from trading like how we think because timing is very important to buy and sell. Many experts also lost a lot of money in it so you should be very careful and don't just invest all your money in one or two coins. Need to diversify properly to reduce riks.

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When it comes to currency trading, the traders buy the currency at a low price and then they hope that it will eventually rise so that they sell to make their profits, since they don't actually know that it's going to rise or not like they are taking a risk there and in my opinion that can be said to be gambling.

Yes there is a risk in trading because we have no assurance if the price will go up after buying a coin and that risk that be considered as gambling so trading can be considered as gambling.

Nope, in trading, we can predict the outcome and analyze the market so we can minimalize the lost, but in gambling, luck is number one, we cant predict the outcome, its unpredictable, its randomness and uncertainty.

Exactly, trading is based on chart reading and lot of analysis about the market. But for gambling there is no specific market to analyse the only thing here is we need to have enough to win through gambling.

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Obviously not. If trading was gambling, then all the wall street offices would shut down after being in loss, because no one will invest money into them if it is considered as trading. There is just risk, which is true for a lot of things in life. Its just not a pure gamble.

I agree with you, maybe gambling and trading has money involve but the result is different. Gambling result in the end is zero, unlike in trading that has sure profit. And if we become addicted in gambling we always want to play even we have no money, we always want to come back for chances of winning or back some lose money. And if we become addicted in trading the result is good, because if we stop from the failures/mistakes we did not reach our aim especially in bitcoin that gives huge profit to the trader.

I don't agree with you about trading is a sure profit , there's a lot of people who suffering huge loss in trading.
And even for some people trading are still not profitable especially when you do it without preparation .
I mean there is a big difference when you trade with a proper analysis and when you trade on picking a buy/sell positiin based on nothing but your feeling in hope to get a luck. That time you do gamble on the market.

Most people lose in trading as well, you must remember that the money you earn from trading must come from somewhere, so if you have great profits then that means that someone is looking at the same screen as you but instead of being happy that person is lamenting the losses he has.

Trading is a zero-sum game if someone else losing profit, some else gaining profit.The problem is that for a person who is just started to getting into the markets can be excited by the gains but scared of making a mistake and so they choose a safer option like following others trade. Instead, if they spent the time learning to trade they could avoid an unnecessary risk

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Obviously not. If trading was gambling, then all the wall street offices would shut down after being in loss, because no one will invest money into them if it is considered as trading. There is just risk, which is true for a lot of things in life. Its just not a pure gamble.

I agree with you, maybe gambling and trading has money involve but the result is different. Gambling result in the end is zero, unlike in trading that has sure profit. And if we become addicted in gambling we always want to play even we have no money, we always want to come back for chances of winning or back some lose money. And if we become addicted in trading the result is good, because if we stop from the failures/mistakes we did not reach our aim especially in bitcoin that gives huge profit to the trader.

I don't agree with you about trading is a sure profit , there's a lot of people who suffering huge loss in trading.
And even for some people trading are still not profitable especially when you do it without preparation .
I mean there is a big difference when you trade with a proper analysis and when you trade on picking a buy/sell positiin based on nothing but your feeling in hope to get a luck. That time you do gamble on the market.

Most people lose in trading as well, you must remember that the money you earn from trading must come from somewhere, so if you have great profits then that means that someone is looking at the same screen as you but instead of being happy that person is lamenting the losses he has.

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I don't think trading can be considered as gambling though both posses risks and both are unpredictable. However, trading for me is better than gambling since it requires discipline and analysis and if you treat trading as business you'll likely success

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Trading isn't the same with Gambling. I think cause gambling is very easy to do it but not with trading. You can't earn a shit in trading without knowledges and researchs. Sometimes, you need to make more friend to get a good news too. So gambling doesn't like that.

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In my opinion, I don't considered trading as gambling, they are different from each other even if they are both have money involve. In trading we need some knowledge and skills for us to earn profit. While in gambling, we just let our bet in that kind of what game it is and wait if we were going to win or not. We can't control what will be the result when we bet in gambling but in m trading there is a possibility that we can gain profit because of our good knowledge and skills about trading.

They are different but not really that different. In some area they are almost the same but some people dont notice it. In term of making money then trading is alot better than gambling but still alot of people choose gambling because it is much simpler. People will always choose something that is simple for them because they dont want to learn and do some hard work to get money

The statement that gambling is simpler than trading is a little but incomplete. Gambling is simpler than trading but it rarely works. Trading is a way of making money. It demands hard work and skills and produces results accordingly whereas gambling pays no attention to anything. It is all about luck. Gambling is just a game and trading is a much respected profession. Both are poles apart in every aspect.Risk is in every task.

The fact that majority of the gamblers are losers we cannot say it's better than trading, in general we can say people will focus in
trading than in gambling when their purpose is to make money. Most people who are trying their luck to win instant money are getting the opposite,
they are making big problems in the end because they are not competent to pursue their ambition in gambling.

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In my opinion, I don't considered trading as gambling, they are different from each other even if they are both have money involve. In trading we need some knowledge and skills for us to earn profit. While in gambling, we just let our bet in that kind of what game it is and wait if we were going to win or not. We can't control what will be the result when we bet in gambling but in m trading there is a possibility that we can gain profit because of our good knowledge and skills about trading.

They are different but not really that different. In some area they are almost the same but some people dont notice it. In term of making money then trading is alot better than gambling but still alot of people choose gambling because it is much simpler. People will always choose something that is simple for them because they dont want to learn and do some hard work to get money

The statement that gambling is simpler than trading is a little but incomplete. Gambling is simpler than trading but it rarely works. Trading is a way of making money. It demands hard work and skills and produces results accordingly whereas gambling pays no attention to anything. It is all about luck. Gambling is just a game and trading is a much respected profession. Both are poles apart in every aspect.Risk is in every task.

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I do not think trading can be considered a gamble, because i think trading should have many techniques such as when market conditions are negative, positive or stagnant market conditions and become boring for traders.
While gambling does have to have a way or tactic when Playing, but most gambling just takes a little bit of luck.

But if you don't have skills of trading or don't know how to get latest market news about your investments then it is also similar to gambling. Because people are investing just by thinking that prices may go high and that makes it similar to gambling. So if one wants to trade then better learn trading basics and always start with a small amount until you become experienced.

And unskilled trading is not a recommended thing. Unlike gambling which is depend on luck, trading is depend on skill so you must have skill to trading so your trading is not like gambling. Other people have the skills, you do not, you will be oppressed.

Not only that, in gambling the house edge is fixed but in trading if you do not have any knowledge I can guarantee you are going to have worst odds than in gambling, in the same way that a novice poker player is going to be destroyed if faced against a poker champion.

I don't think so, if you know the basic needs for trading like the basic knowledge that every trader should have, it won't be a problem because if you continue to just play and believe that you are going to profit, probably you win. It's your responsibility to know and understand how you are going to make the best out of gambling.

You are arguing against something I never argued in the first place, I said that if a person does not have any knowledge of trading then that person has worst odds than in gambling and I think I’m right, now if a person does have some knowledge then his odds improve, we all agree on that.

I agree, I think the guy is playing a gambling game in a trading platform. Considering the fact that the person does not know how to trade, then it is not called trading but gambling. But for a person that is knowledgeable on trading and say that trading is considered gambling then for that person it is wrong.

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I do not think trading can be considered a gamble, because i think trading should have many techniques such as when market conditions are negative, positive or stagnant market conditions and become boring for traders.
While gambling does have to have a way or tactic when Playing, but most gambling just takes a little bit of luck.

But if you don't have skills of trading or don't know how to get latest market news about your investments then it is also similar to gambling. Because people are investing just by thinking that prices may go high and that makes it similar to gambling. So if one wants to trade then better learn trading basics and always start with a small amount until you become experienced.

And unskilled trading is not a recommended thing. Unlike gambling which is depend on luck, trading is depend on skill so you must have skill to trading so your trading is not like gambling. Other people have the skills, you do not, you will be oppressed.

Not only that, in gambling the house edge is fixed but in trading if you do not have any knowledge I can guarantee you are going to have worst odds than in gambling, in the same way that a novice poker player is going to be destroyed if faced against a poker champion.

I don't think so, if you know the basic needs for trading like the basic knowledge that every trader should have, it won't be a problem because if you continue to just play and believe that you are going to profit, probably you win. It's your responsibility to know and understand how you are going to make the best out of gambling.

You are arguing against something I never argued in the first place, I said that if a person does not have any knowledge of trading then that person has worst odds than in gambling and I think I’m right, now if a person does have some knowledge then his odds improve, we all agree on that.

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When it comes to currency trading, the traders buy the currency at a low price and then they hope that it will eventually rise so that they sell to make their profits, since they don't actually know that it's going to rise or not like they are taking a risk there and in my opinion that can be said to be gambling.

Yes there is a risk in trading because we have no assurance if the price will go up after buying a coin and that risk that be considered as gambling so trading can be considered as gambling.

Nope, in trading, we can predict the outcome and analyze the market so we can minimalize the lost, but in gambling, luck is number one, we cant predict the outcome, its unpredictable, its randomness and uncertainty.

Exactly, in trading if we predict right then good, but instead of it, if we can't predict rightly, then we could have minimize lost, and it is a good point of trading. But instead of it in gambling, our skills and analysis are depend on us, but without luck we can't survive in gambling. I always remind that both are risky, sometime we get profit from gambling more than our wishes and sometime we can't make profit in trading even we predict right.

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Quote from: erpbridge on December 24, 2016, 06:20:54 PM

Obviously not. If trading was gambling, then all the wall street offices would shut down after being in loss, because no one will invest money into them if it is considered as trading. There is just risk, which is true for a lot of things in life. Its just not a pure gamble.

I agree with you, maybe gambling and trading has money involve but the result is different. Gambling result in the end is zero, unlike in trading that has sure profit. And if we become addicted in gambling we always want to play even we have no money, we always want to come back for chances of winning or back some lose money. And if we become addicted in trading the result is good, because if we stop from the failures/mistakes we did not reach our aim especially in bitcoin that gives huge profit to the trader.

I don't agree with you about trading is a sure profit , there's a lot of people who suffering huge loss in trading.
And even for some people trading are still not profitable especially when you do it without preparation .
I mean there is a big difference when you trade with a proper analysis and when you trade on picking a buy/sell positiin based on nothing but your feeling in hope to get a luck. That time you do gamble on the market.

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Quote from: supandi wiharja on October 27, 2017, 09:54:04 AM

I do not think trading can be considered a gamble, because i think trading should have many techniques such as when market conditions are negative, positive or stagnant market conditions and become boring for traders.
While gambling does have to have a way or tactic when Playing, but most gambling just takes a little bit of luck.

But if you don't have skills of trading or don't know how to get latest market news about your investments then it is also similar to gambling. Because people are investing just by thinking that prices may go high and that makes it similar to gambling. So if one wants to trade then better learn trading basics and always start with a small amount until you become experienced.

And unskilled trading is not a recommended thing. Unlike gambling which is depend on luck, trading is depend on skill so you must have skill to trading so your trading is not like gambling. Other people have the skills, you do not, you will be oppressed.

Not only that, in gambling the house edge is fixed but in trading if you do not have any knowledge I can guarantee you are going to have worst odds than in gambling, in the same way that a novice poker player is going to be destroyed if faced against a poker champion.

I don't think so, if you know the basic needs for trading like the basic knowledge that every trader should have, it won't be a problem because if you continue to just play and believe that you are going to profit, probably you win. It's your responsibility to know and understand how you are going to make the best out of gambling.

In trading. basic things would really be essential since you are just starting up but if you are really serious on making money then better to find ways on your trading to make it more better and effective.Results would really vary on how good you are on trading and it would only be just like gambling if you dont know on what you are doing on trading.You do still gamble your money to trade which considered as gambling also.

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Quote from: supandi wiharja on October 27, 2017, 09:54:04 AM

I do not think trading can be considered a gamble, because i think trading should have many techniques such as when market conditions are negative, positive or stagnant market conditions and become boring for traders.
While gambling does have to have a way or tactic when Playing, but most gambling just takes a little bit of luck.

But if you don't have skills of trading or don't know how to get latest market news about your investments then it is also similar to gambling. Because people are investing just by thinking that prices may go high and that makes it similar to gambling. So if one wants to trade then better learn trading basics and always start with a small amount until you become experienced.

And unskilled trading is not a recommended thing. Unlike gambling which is depend on luck, trading is depend on skill so you must have skill to trading so your trading is not like gambling. Other people have the skills, you do not, you will be oppressed.

Not only that, in gambling the house edge is fixed but in trading if you do not have any knowledge I can guarantee you are going to have worst odds than in gambling, in the same way that a novice poker player is going to be destroyed if faced against a poker champion.

I don't think so, if you know the basic needs for trading like the basic knowledge that every trader should have, it won't be a problem because if you continue to just play and believe that you are going to profit, probably you win. It's your responsibility to know and understand how you are going to make the best out of gambling.

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Quote from: supandi wiharja on October 27, 2017, 09:54:04 AM

I do not think trading can be considered a gamble, because i think trading should have many techniques such as when market conditions are negative, positive or stagnant market conditions and become boring for traders.
While gambling does have to have a way or tactic when Playing, but most gambling just takes a little bit of luck.

But if you don't have skills of trading or don't know how to get latest market news about your investments then it is also similar to gambling. Because people are investing just by thinking that prices may go high and that makes it similar to gambling. So if one wants to trade then better learn trading basics and always start with a small amount until you become experienced.

And unskilled trading is not a recommended thing. Unlike gambling which is depend on luck, trading is depend on skill so you must have skill to trading so your trading is not like gambling. Other people have the skills, you do not, you will be oppressed.

Not only that, in gambling the house edge is fixed but in trading if you do not have any knowledge I can guarantee you are going to have worst odds than in gambling, in the same way that a novice poker player is going to be destroyed if faced against a poker champion.

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Quote from: vv181 on November 01, 2017, 06:39:20 AM

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Quote from: joebrook on October 30, 2017, 05:55:26 PM

When it comes to currency trading, the traders buy the currency at a low price and then they hope that it will eventually rise so that they sell to make their profits, since they don't actually know that it's going to rise or not like they are taking a risk there and in my opinion that can be said to be gambling.

Yes there is a risk in trading because we have no assurance if the price will go up after buying a coin and that risk that be considered as gambling so trading can be considered as gambling.

Nope, in trading, we can predict the outcome and analyze the market so we can minimalize the lost, but in gambling, luck is number one, we cant predict the outcome, its unpredictable, its randomness and uncertainty.

That's the advantage in trading, analysis helps us to figure out but it's never accurate most of the time. I'm also a trader and there are times that my analyzed coins are good and accurate but there are times also that I fail even I analyzed it.

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