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Bitcoin is bitcoin, and for me, bitcoin is a store of value no matter if the price of bitcoin fluctuates, that is a risk that I should pay when I have bitcoin. That risk will be change if bitcoin price increases in the next future but if the price is down, then I will make sure to buy more bitcoin because that means, I have a discount to purchase bitcoin at a low price. I am sure that these situations will not stay forever, and there is a time for bitcoin to back to a higher price. You can say that bitcoin is not a store of value, but you will see it later, and you can change what you say when bitcoin can pass $20k again in the future.
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But i believe soon it will be a good store of value when all countries take part in using it as a currency just like what they did when fiat currency was still newly introduced.

Gold did pretty well even though it went down like btc but a lot less.

Countries let people using btc because right now they don't see it as a threat. When btc gets big enough and start to threaten their existence, they'll take action against it instead of promoting it.

In other words, they don't have any problems with btc as long as it stays low profile.
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We've been telling it that it's a good store of value just like gold but there's an exception in moments like this. All kinds of assets are experiencing downtrend so why you would only choose to say that with bitcoin?

I'll still take bitcoin as my store of value and when the dust settles, you'll see that I've made a great choice of defining it like that. Look to the picture that the FED has already started printing dollars.
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If it survives the current economic climate it will definitely go a long way to re-affirming its use case as a store of value

In the current economic climate Bitcoin will be a reserve of enduring value savings Everybody is buying bitcoin now, thinking about the future they will get a lot of profit if the price goes up In that case it is later in storage. But it is difficult to say when it will be determined. We have to wait patiently.
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However much you want it to be, BTC is NOT a store of value.  It has been a few years since $20K and even now, each peak is smaller than the previous peak.  Probably be $3K by the end of the week.
Sometimes the post I see here is very annoying. So, you’re saying that Bitcoin is not a store of value because it hasn’t reached $20,000 again and cause it never continued to go up after reaching that rate? I don’t even know who told you that Bitcoin is a store of value when you know very much that it is a means of payment peer-to-peer and an investment for those that chooses, and you were also told that it is a volatile asset.

So, what makes you think that the price will reach $20,000 and keep going up? Some of you join this community with a greedy mind-set; because you saw the price reach high, you thought it will keep going up and you jumped on the train.
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People does have the freedom and choice to spend their bitcoin to purchase goods and services provided by any companies that are willing to accept bitcoin, but I do understand some investors who purchased bitcoin for investment purpose are holding bitcoin for the long term as they believe the price of bitcoin will increase as time goes by, I guess it is up to every individual to decide whether bitcoin is a store of value.
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However much you want it to be, BTC is NOT a store of value.  It has been a few years since $20K and even now, each peak is smaller than the previous peak.  Probably be $3K by the end of the week.
I don’t really agree with that. You’re saying this because the price of Bitcoin crashed as of recent. What if the price kept increasing, are you still going to question whether it is a store of value or not? Roll Eyes You will be very excited and wouldn’t even ask.

Gold is a store a value, and it’s not just gold but silver and other precious metals as well, but despite that , the price of gold and all these precious metals still crashed to a low price, and some of them have managed to get back up a bit, especially gold and silver. Bitcoin went down and still got back up, it’s a matter of time and it will start going back up again.
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Unfortunately, we cannot evaluate Bitcoin as a means of value retention, while even investment instruments that are considered safe ports in today's market conditions have a very unstable price movement. In addition, if we comment outside of today's market, I would like to say that Bitcoin will never be used as a value storage tool because large investors can control the price easily. As such, no investor will want to hold his money in such a manipulative investment instrument to protect himself. Regardless of today's market conditions and the conditions of Bitcoin and crypto markets, unfortunately, the situation you are talking about does not seem to be possible. I don't know if there will be a change in the coming years, but my opinion is that Bitcoin will never be a value storage currency.
At first, if we talk about the current situation of the market so it's really casual as in crypto coins we should be ready for those pumps and dumps and don't give it such hypothetical value just keep patience things will come to the track very soon. Don't lose your hope and as if you notice in early years bitcoin got a huge number of users who were investors and were using it as currencies as well.
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If it survives the current economic climate it will definitely go a long way to re-affirming its use case as a store of value
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At least every asset will surely experience a period where they will crash, so I think in bitcoin also applies the same and even tends to be more extreme, prices can go down anytime quickly and therefore with unique characteristics I think bitcoin is indeed not a storage of value. Although there is something that can keep its value more stable for some time but the crisis will come and we must be prepared about any crash that will occur.
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The recent crash has proven it is not.

Bitcoin was built to withstand those crisis. The COVID19 black swan event was a crucial opportunity for bitcoin to show its worthy as a store of value. Instead, it dropped more than the stock market (with the exception of flying companies), thanks to the derivatives casino called Bitmex.

I pointed out several times bitcoin would have the same destiny of gold if paper speculation was allowed in the sector. Now every idiot out there want to blame COVID19, but by doing that, they are admitting bitcoin is not a store of value, since it followed the legacy system in the crash.

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Yes, you are right, But I will give another chance to BTC because The world is going an economical crisis, a huge one. If it will show itself, we can count COVID-19 as an exception. I think there is an exception for Covid-19, that's not only economical trouble as you know

True, the COVID-19 destroy every market, people should not blame the crypto market if it will dump as the stocks are falling as well.
Bitcoin is even quite stronger at this stage because it has recovered pretty well when it was dump hard, that is compared to other assets but we can't really guarantee that it will stay this way, the pandemic continues hence the crisis is still here, therefore anytime a dump could be possible.
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The recent crash has proven it is not.

Bitcoin was built to withstand those crisis. The COVID19 black swan event was a crucial opportunity for bitcoin to show its worthy as a store of value. Instead, it dropped more than the stock market (with the exception of flying companies), thanks to the derivatives casino called Bitmex.

I pointed out several times bitcoin would have the same destiny of gold if paper speculation was allowed in the sector. Now every idiot out there want to blame COVID19, but by doing that, they are admitting bitcoin is not a store of value, since it followed the legacy system in the crash.

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Yes, you are right, But I will give another chance to BTC because The world is going an economical crisis, a huge one. If it will show itself, we can count COVID-19 as an exception. I think there is an exception for Covid-19, that's not only economical trouble as you know
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The recent crash has proven it is not.

Bitcoin was built to withstand those crisis. The COVID19 black swan event was a crucial opportunity for bitcoin to show its worthy as a store of value. Instead, it dropped more than the stock market (with the exception of flying companies), thanks to the derivatives casino called Bitmex.

I pointed out several times bitcoin would have the same destiny of gold if paper speculation was allowed in the sector. Now every idiot out there want to blame COVID19, but by doing that, they are admitting bitcoin is not a store of value, since it followed the legacy system in the crash.

What to do from here? I'm going to apply a inverted DCA strategy, where, instead of buying small quantities periodically, I will be selling, until my stash is depleted. This will give enough time for bitcoin to rebounce, but make no mistake, it is not a store of value anymore, much less a currency for daily use. Unless something is done against paper speculation, bitcoin will be no more than a product from the fiat system.
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Bitcoin is not a good store of value because the very people who claim to be supporting it are full of doubts about its future anytime its price drops. We need to learn how to trust the volatile system and also learn how to hodl during these times but in reality you can tell what people should do with their money so it ends up being dumped on the market. That's exactly what we are seeing at the moment with all the panic selling which is crushing the price of bitcoin.


at this time because of the economic crisis caused by corona even all market sectors also fell, so fully you can not blame btc for this incident.
I know crypto is a terrible investment place for new people because anytime the value can go up / down drastically.
but at least people still use it this indicates that the BTC is still in interest and is used as a means of investment.
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How do you decide if something is store of value or not? I mean do you look at it during bad times only? Do you look at it over time only? What makes something just a store of value thing? Look at gold for example, it literally dropped during this period and it is widely regarded as the most store of value thing in the world.

People literally buy grams of gold all around the world for store of value and in case anything goes bad, that's GLOBAL, we are talking about trillions of dollars. So, if you think bitcoin is not a store of value because of the drop we had this month, do you also think that gold is not one as well? I doubt anyone could say that. In all regards bitcoin IS a store of value, just not all the time and also not as commonly known as gold, that's it.
While I believe that bitcoin is a store of value, gold has a tremendous advantage that cannot be underestimated, gold has been a store of value for thousands of years and even people that do not know a lot about how the economy works know that fact, so if things get really ugly there is no doubt in my mind the price of gold will go up for sure, but that kind of awareness is still not present when it comes to bitcoin, but it will eventually come as most likely in the future holding and using gold will become more difficult as governments try to stop people from doing so.
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When the global market is down nothing can be a reliable store of value.
But we still choose something that we think would help us to store our money, and for me that should be bitcoin as I believe on its potential.

Now everything is decimated. Bitcoin isn't an exception + get into consideration its volatility.   
Volatility is quite a nature of bitcoin already, that is due to the fact that it has limited supply and there is no specific demand yet and it's been traded as well, so when people like to speculate, this will move the asset, but its long term is actually good, it would not reach at the current price if people does not believe on bitcoin.
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When the global market is down nothing can be a reliable store of value. Now everything is decimated. Bitcoin isn't an exception + get into consideration its volatility.   
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However much you want it to be, BTC is NOT a store of value.  It has been a few years since $20K and even now, each peak is smaller than the previous peak.  Probably be $3K by the end of the week.

I think BTC will go down again below if holder start dumping but for now safe zone 5200$ if it go below than it will go down 3k$ for sure and now the europian country is affected and I think many people from those countries hold a high number of BTC so we need to prepare for another dump and we might not see this year 10k$ but crypto is really unstable and no one know which way it will go for sure let's hope best for now.

Well I don' think they would dump bitcoin that quickly. Stocks are the one directly affected by this pandemic and I am not surprised if some investors there bought bitcoin. Also, we've already seen the price of bitcoin reaching $10K this year, but then again it dumped back to $4K and now jumped to $6K, that's volatility for you. The price may dump but I don't see it lasting since people would just take those dumps for granted.
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However much you want it to be, BTC is NOT a store of value.  It has been a few years since $20K and even now, each peak is smaller than the previous peak.  Probably be $3K by the end of the week.
Well, I have never for once seen it as a store of value; to me, bitcoin is not a store of value, it’s just an investment and whatever goes into bitcoin is what I can afford to risk and apart from that I also use it for transactions in cases or places where it’s possible that I can make use of cryptocurrency, and those are few.

When I invest in bitcoin and altcoins I already know that there are risks that are involved in buying and storing them, so I relax and wait till the price goes up and when it reaches a rate where I’m completely okay with it, that’s when I sell it and convert to whatever I want to convert.
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However much you want it to be, BTC is NOT a store of value.  It has been a few years since $20K and even now, each peak is smaller than the previous peak.  Probably be $3K by the end of the week.

I think BTC will go down again below if holder start dumping but for now safe zone 5200$ if it go below than it will go down 3k$ for sure and now the europian country is affected and I think many people from those countries hold a high number of BTC so we need to prepare for another dump and we might not see this year 10k$ but crypto is really unstable and no one know which way it will go for sure let's hope best for now.
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