Can we have Ignore option on topics, not boards, not users?

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Quote from: holydarkness on April 22, 2023, 05:17:14 AM

(...) Taking this into consideration, PowerGlove, how feasible is it to patch this ignore topic button but with the "last post [date] by [username]" still visible? I think it'll be quite signaling enough whether we should reinvest our attention into the ignored topic or not if we glanced at the author of latest reply.

I'll consider this more deeply when I get around to actually implementing it, but my knee-jerk is that that won't work out very well.

What would suit me best (as a user) is for the topic to become totally invisible once I've ignored it. I agree though that there should be some mechanism to take a peek at ignored threads every once in a while to make sure that you're not missing out on anything important. I think maybe a "show ignored" toggle-link (in the same strip as "new topic") that adds/removes ";showIgnored" to the board URL would probably work out nicely.

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Your suggestion Is good if @theymos would have the time to implement it, but well, PowerGlove is there to assist. Although I have not used the forum ignore button to ignore any board, I just chose boards where I deem them useful to me and where I can also make productive contributions without having to spam. I have just ignored a few newbies because they were creating irrelevant topics, but after some time I just decided to unignore them and use another method to handle their spam and shitposts, which is by reporting them to the moderator.

Some of these users topics are very misleading, so even putting them on ignore means some users could get misleading information from those topics. It would not take me two minutes to report any post or topic to a moderator. So if I already put any user or topic on ignore, I would not contribute to clearing up the forum from some trash, and to see those trash, the ignore button is useless to me.

But for the sake of other users, your idea is still good. "Don't ignore the whole board; just an annoying thread/topic." Great idea.

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Quote from: LoyceV on April 22, 2023, 05:30:32 AM

Quote from: holydarkness on April 22, 2023, 05:17:14 AM

Yep, not working. Unwatched this thread soon after my last post above to test the theory, I woke up to this on my new replies page

Then don't click "Show new replies to your posts.", and use the Watchlist instead:

Quote from: theymos on November 01, 2012, 03:41:09 PM

I don't understand why anyone would not use the watchlist. You can configure the watchlist to be exactly the same as "show new replies to your posts" by configuring your posts to be auto-watched and adding your posted-in topics to your watchlist. After this is done, you can unwatch topics that you don't want to see.

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Oh...? Yet another feature of the forum I didn't know. Thanks for this, I'll start trying this and unwatch the old topics. If if works nicely, I might start changing habit and visit the watchlist page instead of the new replies

Edit: ahh yes. I recall now why I didn't bother tweaking my watchlist before. It's because although I've set my profile to be automatically watch topics I've posted in [it's set like that by default, if I'm not mistaken?], it still displayed a very limited threads somehow and didn't show the threads like the one on show new replies. That's why I thought the watchlist page is something that need extra configuration. Watchlist posts button clearly helps this.

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Quote from: holydarkness on April 22, 2023, 05:17:14 AM

Yep, not working. Unwatched this thread soon after my last post above to test the theory, I woke up to this on my new replies page

Then don't click "Show new replies to your posts.", and use the Watchlist instead:

Quote from: theymos on November 01, 2012, 03:41:09 PM

I don't understand why anyone would not use the watchlist. You can configure the watchlist to be exactly the same as "show new replies to your posts" by configuring your posts to be auto-watched and adding your posted-in topics to your watchlist. After this is done, you can unwatch topics that you don't want to see.

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Quote from: holydarkness on April 21, 2023, 12:54:13 PM

Quote from: Igebotz on April 21, 2023, 11:09:02 AM

Quote from: holydarkness on April 21, 2023, 06:39:29 AM

If I may add another possible benefit of what "ignore a topic" may offer, sometimes we want to leave a topic we're previously engaged on, either because the topic no longer interests us or it has turned into a meaningless discussion filled with spam posts. I am not sure there is currently a way to "remove" these threads from our "show new replies" page. The ignore a topic button would be a nice thing if it means it will remove those threads from my new replies page.

We already have a button for that, you can simply unwatch topics you do not longer want to engage or get notified on anymore.

Eh? I thought that'll just remove the topic from "watchlist" page but we'll still get the updates of the topic on the "show new replies" page? Let me try that with this thread.

Yep, not working. Unwatched this thread soon after my last post above to test the theory, I woke up to this on my new replies page

Quote from: Pmalek on April 22, 2023, 03:07:39 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 21, 2023, 04:05:55 PM

However, I personally would worry about a tool like this being a little heavy handed on the ignoring, leading to missing topics that you might actually care about just because some buzzwords were thrown around in the discussion.

You are the one who will be putting certain discussions on ignore, so do it properly. Check what the thread is about, and if you absolutely hate it, remove it from your field of vision. It shouldn't be an automatic thing that relies on keyword filtering because there would be too many issues with it.

I think what OgNasty tries to propose was the possibility that the thread we ignored because it became a mega thread or spammers nest at one point re-evolved back into a meaningful discussion.

Taking this into consideration, PowerGlove, how feasible is it to patch this ignore topic button but with the "last post [date] by [username]" still visible? I think it'll be quite signaling enough whether we should reinvest our attention into the ignored topic or not if we glanced at the author of latest reply.

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Quote from: OgNasty on April 21, 2023, 04:05:55 PM

However, I personally would worry about a tool like this being a little heavy handed on the ignoring, leading to missing topics that you might actually care about just because some buzzwords were thrown around in the discussion.

You are the one who will be putting certain discussions on ignore, so do it properly. Check what the thread is about, and if you absolutely hate it, remove it from your field of vision. It shouldn't be an automatic thing that relies on keyword filtering because there would be too many issues with it.

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Personally, I don't use the ignore button of the forum. I have never ignored any user, I have never ignored any board, I haven't blocked anyone from sending me pm.
Even on social media, I don't block people. Even if you send me a dm, I can read and still ignore you. I can chose not to read when it's from an undesirable person. That is how I handle it.

But for the sake of others and for the sanity of this forum, I support the idea of ignoring threads. If that is implemented, many people wouldn't put any board in their ignore list.
Recently, The Sceptical Chymist has been complaining about the spamming going on in Bitcoin discussion board. It is simple, instead of ignoring the whole board because of some shits, he could just visit the board and use 10mins to ignore some thrash thread he deems to be spam and that settles it.

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I have always had a concept in mind. I learnt it from one of my teachers in college. It is about picking out the sense from the nonsense.
As simple as it sounds, hitting the ignore button could actually prevent or cut down on the inflow of information one is exposed to.
It could also make one lose interest in the forum as one's mentality may be tuned to the fact that only trash post is being posted.
It could also discourage those with the intent of getting better from both positive and negative criticisms, directed towards their post.
Everyone wants to learn and get better, that'd why this forum exists, if ignore buttons where introduced, it wouldn't make this any different from normal social media apps that promote malice by ingoring, blocking or limiting owners of an account from the contacts on its network.

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Quote from: PowerGlove on April 21, 2023, 08:06:38 AM

Hehe, yeah I'll look into this.

Thanks, there is no rush, just place it under ''do it later'' folder Wink

Quote from: PowerGlove on April 21, 2023, 08:06:38 AM

I'm busy helping theymos with something that might keep me occupied for a while, and then after that I'd like to send him the 2FA patch that I've been talking about for months. Once those two things are done, I'll see about this proposal; haven't thought too deeply about it, but it seems like a good idea to me, and I think it's something that I would personally use.

Hmmm that is interesting, so you are actually slowly becoming main forum developer, and I was joking about that not long ago around April 1st Wink

I am really glad theymos started to positively respond to all your work in forum and apply this patches.

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I'm all for being heavy on the ignore button when it comes to this forum. It's necessary if you are anyone working on anything that has any effect here as the trolls are like packs of hyenas with missing teeth. However, I personally would worry about a tool like this being a little heavy handed on the ignoring, leading to missing topics that you might actually care about just because some buzzwords were thrown around in the discussion. It seems like to be done right it would have to be a bit complicated, and with a new forum a decade into development, I'm not sure we should be trying to reinvent the wheel here.

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That would actually be very cool. There are certain topics I don’t even want to see and I couldn’t find a way other than ignoring the whole board just so I can avoid seeing that topic. I support this request wholeheartedly. I don’t know if it is too much work to add this feature to the forum but if it is possible, they should do it.

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Quote from: tranthidung on April 21, 2023, 09:11:27 AM

Quote from: PowerGlove on April 21, 2023, 08:06:38 AM

I think maybe a logical place to put it would be here (bottom right):

If you build this patch from the idea that is good but I think it's better and more convenient if you add it at two places: top right corner and bottom right corner.

Reason: Currently forum has other buttons at those places and if you add one more, you should add it at both places. Convenience for sure, as I don't have to scroll down to the bottom, just to ignore a topic. I would like to do it with either at top or bottom.

Hahaha, yeah that's the plan; when I said "bottom right" I meant "look at the bottom right of the image", not "I'm only planning on adding this to the bottom right of the page".

If you examine that image carefully, you'll see that it's actually from the top right (otherwise the next/previous links would have been below instead of above the other links).

Quote from: Igebotz on April 21, 2023, 11:09:02 AM

Quote from: PowerGlove on April 21, 2023, 08:06:38 AM

I'm busy helping theymos with something that might keep me occupied for a while [...]

Does this imply that the long-awaited new forum software is still alive and well? [...]

I'm referring to something SMF-related.

Further details are G14 classified, "eyes only", burn-after-reading, etc. theymos mailed me a VR headset and when I put it on I got a your-mission-should-you-choose-to-accept-it style video and then had to throw it over the balcony before it exploded.

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Quote from: Igebotz on April 21, 2023, 11:09:02 AM

Quote from: holydarkness on April 21, 2023, 06:39:29 AM

If I may add another possible benefit of what "ignore a topic" may offer, sometimes we want to leave a topic we're previously engaged on, either because the topic no longer interests us or it has turned into a meaningless discussion filled with spam posts. I am not sure there is currently a way to "remove" these threads from our "show new replies" page. The ignore a topic button would be a nice thing if it means it will remove those threads from my new replies page.

We already have a button for that, you can simply unwatch topics you do not longer want to engage or get notified on anymore.

Eh? I thought that'll just remove the topic from "watchlist" page but we'll still get the updates of the topic on the "show new replies" page? Let me try that with this thread.

Quote from: Pmalek on April 21, 2023, 12:19:13 PM

Quote from: holydarkness on April 21, 2023, 06:39:29 AM

If I may add another possible benefit of what "ignore a topic" may offer, sometimes we want to leave a topic we're previously engaged on, either because the topic no longer interests us or it has turned into a meaningless discussion filled with spam posts. I am not sure there is currently a way to "remove" these threads from our "show new replies" page.

I have never tested it, but maybe if you deleted all your posts in those threads, it might work!? I am just guessing. If you have no posts there, no one can reply to those non-existing posts. Hence, you won't see those replies if you click the "Show new replies to your posts" button. Huh

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That might work, but I think it'll be quite troublesome if I've already made a dozen posts on that thread, initially interested on the topic because the discussion is engaging, but later on it became a mega thread filled with spam. The ignore topic button will be a very much welcome shortcut.

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Quote from: holydarkness on April 21, 2023, 06:39:29 AM

If I may add another possible benefit of what "ignore a topic" may offer, sometimes we want to leave a topic we're previously engaged on, either because the topic no longer interests us or it has turned into a meaningless discussion filled with spam posts. I am not sure there is currently a way to "remove" these threads from our "show new replies" page.

I have never tested it, but maybe if you deleted all your posts in those threads, it might work!? I am just guessing. If you have no posts there, no one can reply to those non-existing posts. Hence, you won't see those replies if you click the "Show new replies to your posts" button. Huh

Quote from: tranthidung on April 21, 2023, 07:09:30 AM

Quote from: Pmalek on April 21, 2023, 05:18:55 AM

Let's imagine that I want to be active in Meta but I don't want to see the above threads or some other ones I don't think are interesting to me personally. However, it makes no sense to me to ignore the users who created those discussions because I have nothing against them and I might enjoy there other discussions.

It makes a lot of sense. Ignore a person is too serious but it's right to ignore specific uninteresting topics / posts from that person (especially topics).

I am not sure if you misunderstood me or I misunderstood you lol with the part where you said "It makes a lot of sense." We are saying the same thing. Did you see it differently?

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Quote from: holydarkness on April 21, 2023, 06:39:29 AM

If I may add another possible benefit of what "ignore a topic" may offer, sometimes we want to leave a topic we're previously engaged on, either because the topic no longer interests us or it has turned into a meaningless discussion filled with spam posts. I am not sure there is currently a way to "remove" these threads from our "show new replies" page. The ignore a topic button would be a nice thing if it means it will remove those threads from my new replies page.

We already have a button for that, you can simply unwatch topics you do not longer want to engage or get notified on anymore.

Quote from: PowerGlove on April 21, 2023, 08:06:38 AM

I'm busy helping theymos with something that might keep me occupied for a while, and then after that I'd like to send him the 2FA patch that I've been talking about for months. Once those two things are done, I'll see about this proposal; haven't thought too deeply about it, but it seems like a good idea to me, and I think it's something that I would personally use.

Does this imply that the long-awaited new forum software is still alive and well? The 2FA idea has been floating around for a while now, and if it is finally implemented, it would give another layer of protection to our accounts, something we are all looking forward to.

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Quote from: PowerGlove on April 21, 2023, 08:06:38 AM

I think maybe a logical place to put it would be here (bottom right):

If you build this patch from the idea that is good but I think it's better and more convenient if you add it at two places: top right corner and bottom right corner.

Reason: Currently forum has other buttons at those places and if you add one more, you should add it at both places. Convenience for sure, as I don't have to scroll down to the bottom, just to ignore a topic. I would like to do it with either at top or bottom.

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Quote from: tranthidung on April 21, 2023, 07:09:30 AM

Quote from: dkbit98 on April 20, 2023, 08:24:59 PM

I am all for adding options to ignore topics, maybe PowerGlove can again perform some of his script magic for another forum update Wink

I expect it from PowerGlove who is genius with code and SMF patch.

Hehe, yeah I'll look into this.

I'm busy helping theymos with something that might keep me occupied for a while, and then after that I'd like to send him the 2FA patch that I've been talking about for months. Once those two things are done, I'll see about this proposal; haven't thought too deeply about it, but it seems like a good idea to me, and I think it's something that I would personally use.

I think maybe a logical place to put it would be here (bottom right):

And then, obviously something in "Modify Profile" to maintain the list of topic IDs.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on April 20, 2023, 08:24:59 PM

I am all for adding options to ignore topics, maybe PowerGlove can again perform some of his script magic for another forum update Wink

I expect it from PowerGlove who is genius with code and SMF patch.

Quote from: Igebotz on April 20, 2023, 04:28:11 PM

The ignore thread button would better fiT close to the quote button in the Op for visibility or just a drop-button on the existing one.

Sorry but I fail to see how a drop-down list/ menu can bring more convenience. It is convenience wherever it is located especially if we can assign specific button / space for each one. Perhaps you missed my previous clarification

Quote from: Pmalek on April 21, 2023, 05:18:55 AM

Let's imagine that I want to be active in Meta but I don't want to see the above threads or some other ones I don't think are interesting to me personally. However, it makes no sense to me to ignore the users who created those discussions because I have nothing against them and I might enjoy there other discussions.

It makes a lot of sense. Ignore a person is too serious but it's right to ignore specific uninteresting topics / posts from that person (especially topics).

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Quote from: Pmalek on April 21, 2023, 05:18:55 AM

Quote from: T3PR00T on April 20, 2023, 05:03:08 PM

Ignoring a topic does not make sense. There are hundreds of topic created everyday. None of it should bother you unless your notification for a specific topic is enabled.

It's got nothing to do with notifications. It's about what you see when you open a specific sub-forum. For example, look at Meta right now.

A few threads in Meta that I regularly see at the top include:

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Let's imagine that I want to be active in Meta but I don't want to see the above threads or some other ones I don't think are interesting to me personally. However, it makes no sense to me to ignore the users who created those discussions because I have nothing against them and I might enjoy there other discussions. Putting Meta on ignore is also out of the question. In those cases, it helps to put only certain threads on ignore, so as to not have to look at them every time you open a particular board. It has nothing to do with your watchlist or post notifications.

If I may add another possible benefit of what "ignore a topic" may offer, sometimes we want to leave a topic we're previously engaged on, either because the topic no longer interests us or it has turned into a meaningless discussion filled with spam posts. I am not sure there is currently a way to "remove" these threads from our "show new replies" page. The ignore a topic button would be a nice thing if it means it will remove those threads from my new replies page.

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Quote from: T3PR00T on April 20, 2023, 05:03:08 PM

Ignoring a topic does not make sense. There are hundreds of topic created everyday. None of it should bother you unless your notification for a specific topic is enabled.

It's got nothing to do with notifications. It's about what you see when you open a specific sub-forum. For example, look at Meta right now.

A few threads in Meta that I regularly see at the top include:

Merit & new rank requirements
Report plagiarism (copy/paste) here. Mods: please give temp or permban as needed
Wall of fame / shame. Shit posts so bad that they are actually funny
Save your nice merit records here - LAST UPDATE: 06/03/2023

Let's imagine that I want to be active in Meta but I don't want to see the above threads or some other ones I don't think are interesting to me personally. However, it makes no sense to me to ignore the users who created those discussions because I have nothing against them and I might enjoy there other discussions. Putting Meta on ignore is also out of the question. In those cases, it helps to put only certain threads on ignore, so as to not have to look at them every time you open a particular board. It has nothing to do with your watchlist or post notifications.

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