Can we Manipulate Bitcoin price? - page 64.

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Quote from: hase0278 on August 02, 2016, 05:39:09 AM

We manipulating bitcoin price is possible op though it will be hard. It would be hard to convince everyone to help put up a buy wall at a certain price since trust is needed for it to work. There are also users here who cannot help build up a buy wall since they got a little amount of money like me that needs my money to survive daily life. I guess the market as of now is ok because the bots on trading sites are working to stabilize bitcoin's price.

We might manipulate or affect the bitcoin price in short term. But the bitcoin price is determined ultimately by the adoption.

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We manipulating bitcoin price is possible op though it will be hard. It would be hard to convince everyone to help put up a buy wall at a certain price since trust is needed for it to work. There are also users here who cannot help build up a buy wall since they got a little amount of money like me that needs my money to survive daily life. I guess the market as of now is ok because the bots on trading sites are working to stabilize bitcoin's price.

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Quote from: Achargeturry78 on August 02, 2016, 05:07:57 AM

Quote from: European Central Bank on April 24, 2016, 05:58:38 PM

Nope. There's always someone with more money and more greed out there waiting to play you. And let's not get started on some of the exchanges themshelves.

yes i think your right. there are many people here in this industry that are really greedy and they don't have conscience to the fact that they are only aware of themselves even they don't care if there is other people who will be affected of what they are doing. if we are positively be in one side, it is posible to manipulate. but like what i've said earlier, if there are greedy people, then we can't.

you're right, we can not manipulate the price of bitcoin. there is always someone who has more money that can do that. perhaps a large company could manipulate the price of bitcoin, but it probably will only bring a great loss for them, other than that if someone is manipulating the price of bitcoin, I think it would be very risky.

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Quote from: European Central Bank on April 24, 2016, 05:58:38 PM

Nope. There's always someone with more money and more greed out there waiting to play you. And let's not get started on some of the exchanges themshelves.

yes i think your right. there are many people here in this industry that are really greedy and they don't have conscience to the fact that they are only aware of themselves even they don't care if there is other people who will be affected of what they are doing. if we are positively be in one side, it is posible to manipulate. but like what i've said earlier, if there are greedy people, then we can't.

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Quote from: Batelk on August 02, 2016, 03:26:28 AM

Quote from: Barnabe on August 01, 2016, 12:32:26 PM

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Quote from: Nahl on August 01, 2016, 11:07:27 AM

i think we are here only small part from bitcoin because so many traders with huge money out there who can manipulate bitcoin prices also as far as we still become those small pieces i think that not possible to us manipulate bitcoin prices and my answer is it's possible to do so but if you have the power of huge money to control bitcoin prices

Actually in the past, big whales needs lots of dollar to be put in the bitcoin market for price to move.

But today, it's different. Whales doesn't need much effort now, at least, to start a trend since no doubt that we have an increase of bitcoin users "who really putting dollar into bitcoin exchanges" to purchase bitcoin.

Good example here is the bitcoin halving speculation prior in the halving actual date.

The trading occuring before the halving is not really speculation, it should be considered as the market anticipating the decrease of supply occuring the following day. The market also anticipates events like dividends and automatically corrects the price according to the decrease of value of the company.

In the next few months, the lack of supply of the new bitcoins will be felt by the market, the price will rise.

Where did you get that information, if there is a lack of supply then we must be seeing a good price now and not the decreasing price. In the next few months price will rise but shortage in supplies will not happen because there a lot of bitcoins to mine.

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Quote from: Barnabe on August 01, 2016, 12:32:26 PM

Quote from: chaser15 on August 01, 2016, 12:20:01 PM

Quote from: Nahl on August 01, 2016, 11:07:27 AM

i think we are here only small part from bitcoin because so many traders with huge money out there who can manipulate bitcoin prices also as far as we still become those small pieces i think that not possible to us manipulate bitcoin prices and my answer is it's possible to do so but if you have the power of huge money to control bitcoin prices

Actually in the past, big whales needs lots of dollar to be put in the bitcoin market for price to move.

But today, it's different. Whales doesn't need much effort now, at least, to start a trend since no doubt that we have an increase of bitcoin users "who really putting dollar into bitcoin exchanges" to purchase bitcoin.

Good example here is the bitcoin halving speculation prior in the halving actual date.

The trading occuring before the halving is not really speculation, it should be considered as the market anticipating the decrease of supply occuring the following day. The market also anticipates events like dividends and automatically corrects the price according to the decrease of value of the company.

In the next few months, the lack of supply of the new bitcoins will be felt by the market, the price will rise.

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Quote from: chaser15 on August 01, 2016, 12:20:01 PM

Quote from: Nahl on August 01, 2016, 11:07:27 AM

i think we are here only small part from bitcoin because so many traders with huge money out there who can manipulate bitcoin prices also as far as we still become those small pieces i think that not possible to us manipulate bitcoin prices and my answer is it's possible to do so but if you have the power of huge money to control bitcoin prices

Actually in the past, big whales needs lots of dollar to be put in the bitcoin market for price to move.

But today, it's different. Whales doesn't need much effort now, at least, to start a trend since no doubt that we have an increase of bitcoin users "who really putting dollar into bitcoin exchanges" to purchase bitcoin.

Good example here is the bitcoin halving speculation prior in the halving actual date.

The trading occuring before the halving is not really speculation, it should be considered as the market anticipating the decrease of supply occuring the following day. The market also anticipates events like dividends and automatically corrects the price according to the decrease of value of the company.

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We cant manipulate with bitcoin price here in bitcointalk forum because we have too low amounts of bitcoins to manipulate with bitcoin.Ony the most rich peoples can manipulate with bitcoin.

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Quote from: Nahl on August 01, 2016, 11:07:27 AM

i think we are here only small part from bitcoin because so many traders with huge money out there who can manipulate bitcoin prices also as far as we still become those small pieces i think that not possible to us manipulate bitcoin prices and my answer is it's possible to do so but if you have the power of huge money to control bitcoin prices

Actually in the past, big whales needs lots of dollar to be put in the bitcoin market for price to move.

But today, it's different. Whales doesn't need much effort now, at least, to start a trend since no doubt that we have an increase of bitcoin users "who really putting dollar into bitcoin exchanges" to purchase bitcoin.

Good example here is the bitcoin halving speculation prior in the halving actual date.

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i think we are here only small part from bitcoin because so many traders with huge money out there who can manipulate bitcoin prices also as far as we still become those small pieces i think that not possible to us manipulate bitcoin prices and my answer is it's possible to do so but if you have the power of huge money to control bitcoin prices

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Quote from: CroSany on July 31, 2016, 08:40:59 AM

Manipulate with bitcoin price is possible but if you want do that it is better for you if you want that to find users which have big amoumts of bitcoin because bigger group with smaller btc amounts will manipulate really hard but with less number of group users with bigger amounts is more easy.

Manipulation of the bitcoin can only be done by the big investors or the whales. They have 10 thousand bitcoin at least.

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Quote from: Wapinter on April 24, 2016, 05:40:31 PM

I know there are many big players who manipulate bitcoin price and make huge profits but can we the bitcointalk members also form a cartel and let bitcoin price never fall?is it possible that we manipulate price as I am sure most of bitcoin users visit this forum

It's possible that the members can decide to make the price go up if we all agreed into it. I'm sure that there are members here who hold big amount of bitcoin and when others having small amount will add into it then the amount accumulated will be big enough to manipulate the prices. The problem is that when there's no bitcoin anymore to pump it so the price will start to go down and those who bought when the price is still almost in the ceiling will lose. The bitcoin price never fall as what you say will not happen because time will come when there's no one who is willing to buy because he/she is out of funds or afraid that the price will fall especially if the price is already too high.

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Quote from: CroSany on July 31, 2016, 08:40:59 AM

Manipulate with bitcoin price is possible but if you want do that it is better for you if you want that to find users which have big amoumts of bitcoin because bigger group with smaller btc amounts will manipulate really hard but with less number of group users with bigger amounts is more easy.

Of course, that should be the way to do it but I wonder if anyone can do now as we are already a huge market with big group of whales on board and definitely they have different interest so they cannot easily manipulate the price as the other may lose when the benefit of a certain group will be served.

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I don`t know much about bitcoins, but I know a lot about manipulation. Everything can be subject of manipulations, look around the world what kind of things are happening all the time. I would change only one thing in your headline, its word "we". We cant do anything, but they can do a lot of things we cant even imagine. Who are they is consipracy theory, and this is not place for that probably. Who knows even now is this price real or its just product of manipulation.

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Manipulate with bitcoin price is possible but if you want do that it is better for you if you want that to find users which have big amoumts of bitcoin because bigger group with smaller btc amounts will manipulate really hard but with less number of group users with bigger amounts is more easy.

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Quote from: Betwrong on July 31, 2016, 05:25:55 AM

Quote from: cpfreeplz on April 24, 2016, 09:52:35 PM

Not likely with the current market capitalization!! It would absolutely be possible with an altcoin though.

Aka:
*PUMP AND DUMP*

Want to do it solo? Find a shitcoin and buy $500 worth every day for 10-30 days then sell sell sell!

Yes, with an unknown altcoin it's pretty easy but not with Bitcoin. And even if we could do it, I personally against the *PUMP AND DUMP* strategy. What will be the price of Bitcoin after that DUMP? Do we really need that?

PUMP and DUMP game is a complete gambling type, you will only make money if you will guess the right thing to happen but for real investor we can on the long term interest of the coins and not just short term, and for me the most legitimate coin that could give that to us is only bitcoin.

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Quote from: cpfreeplz on April 24, 2016, 09:52:35 PM

Not likely with the current market capitalization!! It would absolutely be possible with an altcoin though.

Aka:
*PUMP AND DUMP*

Want to do it solo? Find a shitcoin and buy $500 worth every day for 10-30 days then sell sell sell!

Yes, with an unknown altcoin it's pretty easy but not with Bitcoin. And even if we could do it, I personally against the *PUMP AND DUMP* strategy. What will be the price of Bitcoin after that DUMP? Do we really need that?

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Quote from: Hellacopter on July 30, 2016, 04:14:38 AM

It's really very hard, or impossible to manipulate Bitcoin price because it depend in many factors and it's volatile as known, and that's make the best opportunity for the Bitcoins holders

if it is still difficult I think it can still be used? I think some time ago in which prices rose towards $ 750? and then descend rapidly towards $ 600. is it you think it is a manipulation? I think we do not know it? there are many who still holds bitcoin mafia. while users have not been great. bitcoin still able to be manipulated

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as the big investors are doing it in stock exchange but still i am hopeful that it may not be possible in bitcoin forum. because the price of bitcoin is so reasonable that they even cannot think how to lower the price of bitcoin, the second thing is bitcoin is a universal currency and people from all over the world are studying bitcoin regularly so they are not letting bitcoin fell down to such a low price.

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I don't think so. The amount of money that you're gonna be needing to actually make the price of bitcoin move is really really too much. Maybe if you're a millionaire in real life, then it's possible that you buy tons of bitcoins and make fun of the bitcoin price. I think to make the price of bitcoin move, one should be doing it with a group of whales. If whales dump their coins, the price of bitcoin will surely go down. If whales decided to step up their game and buy more bitcoins, then the price of bitcoin will pump. It's as simple as that.

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