Topic: Can we trust user that spread false and dangerous news on COVID19? - page 2. (Read 950 times)

A small note.

No tests = no virus.
New York has 8.4 million people.

According to https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/ only 890k tests have been done.

Be aware test ≠ people tested, a man can be tested even 4 times to see if he is still positive.


I'm in Italy where the death % is over 13% but this number is not the real one since reliable organizations are saying that we have milions of people infected with the virus but they are symptomless.
If every people will be tested our death% will be probably 2-3% like other countries.

A better situation on the % of death will be discovered in May here in Italy and later probably around the world, they are starting 4 milions of tests on the blood of people to see if they/we have the antibodies and if we have passed the Covid19.

Keep also in mind some countries (AFAIK) don't count on the death count people who died with a heart attack with the COVID19 as a COVID19 death, here in Italy they count everyone with the Virus on the body as COVID-19 Death.


TLDR, the % of death found on paper is not the real one since they test only people with symptoms even multiple times, the real % of death is way lower cause a lot of people are symptomless and not tested.

Yeah aluminum in vaccines acts like a antenna and 5g fucks you up. 

Well we have a shit ton more iron in us ie our red blood cells. so if 5g fucked you it would be due to your red blood cells and vaccines would do jack shit.

Since the amount of  aluminum in your body due to anything at all would be 100x less then the  iron in your body.

Iron makes a good antenna it is not used due to rusting and weight.  Although stainless steel car antennas work well and have a lot of iron .

   I know enough about radio theory to know if 5g or 10g or 3g or 69g were to hurt humans it would be due to the iron in red blood cells not the aluminum in vaccines.   BTW I never heard of aluminum in vaccines but even if there is aluminum in your body the danger to radio waves would be due to iron in us as it is the biggest metal by % in our blood. Also you need to be close enough to the source of the 5g and the 5g would need to project a lot of energy to hurt you.

My only concern is 2015 death rate was 57 million. we are on pace for 58.7 million the year.  I would not have thought all the world would shut everything down for the current visible death rates.

Real problem is that some people really believe everything that they read, for example this: 5G that spread the virus <-- haha, if we follow that logic, then 3G carries Ebola virus and 4G - swine flu.
Question - "Can we trust users that spread false news" isn't correct because in this case you sound like everything what scientists say is 100% fair and they can't and won't lie. Every opinion is acceptable if it's backed by strong arguments, otherwise - not. Bullshits aren't welcome.
Btw You have always to double check everything, even what your "reputable" news source says.

I am pretty much a skeptic.

The most interesting thing missed everywhere is this


The highest death rate is in New York    

no place is worse.

Lets play with this

1135/1000000 = 0.1135% death rate

or 99.8865% are surviving it.

New York gov Andrew Coumo claims


14% is a factor of 7

7 x 0.1135 = .7945 %.      All the numbers are said to be way to high.  but those are the worst numbers anywhere.

0.007945 x 8,000,000,000 = 63,560,000.  that is the maximum world wide possible death amount  and about 635,600,000 may need to go to a hospital.


in 2015 around 57 million died world wide so this disease at its worse may boost deaths. so that the world has a negative growth of humans.

I feel the conspiracy people do not understand why the world's nations are doing a massive lock down when the numbers I have up

63 million are the worst possible.  and the actual pace we are on for all deaths is not reflecting that the covid-19 is going to kill 1 million no less 63 million.

I think nations acting together to lockdown the world's economy has frightened them more then the coved-19


My wife was in hospital with 2x pneumonia in Jan. I was really sick in Jan.  5 of my wife's cousin's have tested positive for covid-19
One was on a ventilator he is off it and getting better.
3 more were in hospital.
1 was not.

We are in NJ, NY, CT tristate which is hit harder than Italy or Spain.  So I know it is a difficult disease.

But conspiracy nuts will have their way with this for years to come unless covid-19 2x comes along making this look like nothing.



Note using worldometer numbers we are on pace for 58.7 million dead of all causes.

Maybe 500,000 to 1,000,000 tops will die from this covid-19

The world's nations are actually cooperating on something so conspiracy theorists are going to be out there.

Definitely, I think we can't trust people who post such trash. However, what do you do? Ban them or red paint and tag their accounts? Of course, you can't do that. It's a free speech era. Except we are looking at this from the "No Freedom of Speech" angle of dictatorship. I think theymos runs a democracy here 🙄

Argumentum ad ignorantiam.

There is not, and will likely never be, peer reviewed studies of sufficient power to prove 5G does not impact the immune system for the same reason there is not peer reviewed studies of sufficient power proving that humans can't fly, or to use the classical analogy, proving that there is not a china teapot in orbit between the Earth and Mars. If you want to make ridiculous assertions that 5G affects the immune system, or that doctors are trying to microchip the population, or that humans can fly, then the burden of is on you to substantiate that claim, not on anybody else to negate it. You can't just go around throwing out ridiculous conspiracy theories with nothing to back them up and expect sensible people to waste their time debunking each and every one of them, until they get bored of your nonsense and you declare something ridiculous to be true simply because it hasn't been refuted.

That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

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And herein lies the issue with responding to these trolls in P&S. Sensible and educated people like bitbollo can spend endless hours reading journals and articles, reviewing evidence, presenting logical arguments substantiated by facts and evidence, and the conspiracy theorists will ignore it and just throw out some new nonsensical unsubstantiated claim. It truly is a game of pigeon chess.

I would again suggest simply ignoring them. Let them spout their nonsense in their own threads, and created a self moderated thread for when you want to actually discuss a subject properly.

I Guess that you have done your smart research if you come here in a META thread trying to instill doubts about dangerous theories to the whole community.
Or are you just trolling with such claim? [just as e.g. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9]

Why doctors and researchers should waist their time making USELESS RESEARCH just because some troll/illiterate need to see debunked that "pie can't fly"?

We all are aware about the current situation with the help of genuine sources like some major and notable news platforms which is reasonable and trustable so I think those people who are continuously sharing these kind of posts here in this forum should understand this point and must stop doing this.

Where they are getting these information ? Do you think they purposely make such information and spread on the forum ?  NO

The mainstream media is flooded with all such news and if you search the internet you will find every kind of news correct or incorrect. These news will keep on spreading until the correct cause and treatment of covid-19 is determined.

Let's suppose the intent was as you claim.

That does not mean essentially that 5g does not have a negative impact upon the immune system.
Or reduces the efficiency of your respiratory system?

Where are the peer reviewed statistically powerful studies that prove no significant impact upon the immune system?
I mean we all know how things that are purported to be safe are later discovered  to be dangerous.

Without proof it is hard to claim this is false or certainly deliberately false

China seems to be forcing 5g on countries in the west.  They freak out and start claiming they will punish those that dont adopt 5g and use their hardware.

I don't see any of those claims conclusively debunked at this time
Point me to the studies and I will have a other look.

Created in china, Canada USA? These are under investigation at the highest levels according to MSM and direct from potus

As I said. Conclusively debunk to call lying or false information. Strong counter argument supported then you can certainly cast high levels of doubt over their claims.

There are no long term studies of 5g and humans. Short term there could be a certain as yet unknown effect from 5g that is negative in this current mess for covid.

I believe the risk is low and probability is low but I would not consider saying it is impossible or a lie or that a compelling case may be ou there for a negative impact of 5g on immunity or respiratory system directly or indirectly  

Long term studies may yet reveal some major issues with 5g and health.

Or maybe you are correct. Still, Better to let people express their views until you can conclusively debunk what they are claiming.

First rule about people on the internet.. dont trust people on the internet.
Listen then go off and research yourself.

@Jet Cash
Can you share please a peer reviewed article/paper about this information?  
I made a search on Pubmed and I was unable to find anything.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=5g+wireless+respiratory (0 results! it seems that there isn't anything also in predatory journal.....   )


No there isn't anything like this. If it would "effective" was already approved as a treatment.
There are some papers that suggested that could be helpful in children (Prevention of Respiratory infection in children Jun/2017) like this one below, but these aren't "evidences"

https://www.who.int/elena/titles/commentary/vitamind_pneumonia_children/en/

Ehm... I don't know where you take these information and why are you posting here.
But please, I don't think it's the best practice post in this thread these statements........

EDIT:
About SARS-COVID2 "Strains"
You can check by yourself  https://nextstrain.org/ncov?c=country&p=grid&r=location
"Genomic epidemiology of novel coronavirus"

The things that the disease have thrown up - economic chaos, government control, misinformation, vaccines, paranoia about the origin blah blah - fit perfectly into the mind set of many a Bitcoin fan.

I'm not surprised it's given many people a boner and they've rubbed it until some goo dribbled out of the end in public.

It doesn't make them untrustworthy elsewhere. It fits the remit I expected of many of them and would've been very surprised had they not acted that way. Doesn't not make them assholes though.

My perception is that these new virus mutations ( aren't there now 8 variants?) are natural developments that have been seized on by various factions to promote their globalist ideals.Take the 5G issue for example. There seems to be some evidence that it could cause damage to the upper respiratory tract. If this is true, then it could amplify the damage caused by the virus. Of course you can;t spread the virus through a telephone connection. Black people are more vulnerable - this is a great topic for accusations of racism, so the truth is suppressed. The truth would appear to be that vitamin D is effective in recovering from a virus infection. Vitamin D is created by the body as a result of exposure to sunlight, and people with dark skins need more exposure. There is no profit in sunbathing, so the government initiative is to try to force people ti stay indoors, and to purchase damaging drugs. If they really wanted to cut down on deaths from the virus, they would ban smoking and vaping, and stop all vaccinations, and they could encourage people to drink hot water.

The bottom line is that "they" need to reset toxic debt laden economies, and to replace valueless fiat currencies. The virus is a fortunate ( for them ) black swan event, and they are not going to let it go to waste. This is so much false news, and manipulated statistics that it is almost impossible to determine the truth.  There is very little information about comorbidities and immune system deficiencies that the statistics are useless for trying to decide on a health regime. I saw one interview with a pair of young health workers who took 5 weeks to recover from an infection. They expressed surprise that it had taken so long, as they were up to date with their 'flu jabs, and they were taking Tylenol - I can't be the only one who sees the correlation.

BURN THE NON-BELIEVERS!

There's a massive issue with a lot of non scientists turning science into a belief system everywhere (when they don't really understand a lot of the fundamentals)..

I have to say, we are a discussion forum and we shouldn't be taking what other people say all that seriously unless that's the intention, sometimes people are just here to vent and as long as users can work out the fact from fiction and actively report stuff that's fiction to the community (by replying) then users can decide if what they read is fact or fiction.

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We probably also need to distinguish those that include facts and those who don't. I assume my face mask thread for example doesn't come under the providing inaccurate information: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53971557

Do I need to start adding disclaimers to my posts to say they're where you should start research from, not look at and decide based on my own conclusions... My philosophical and scientific methodologies are to present the facts and loosely state a flexible conclusion so you can come to your own.

Well, that's just it. When you have a top-ranked moron saying shit like that you can't really blame ordinary dimwits parroting it.

Hmm should we add injection of disinfectants and the usage of UV light as coronavirus treatment in the list maybe. This is gonna be a gas to see someone defending this, that's embarrassing 

None of these things are true. These conspiracy theories are being pushed by people who are trying to harm Western countries.

5G technology is part of a technological arms race between the US and China and people in the West are being told that 5G towers should be destroyed.

You don’t need to use critical thinking to say any of these things are false.

Have you conclusively debunked any of these on their threads?

I have no idea if any of those things are true or false?

Surely if you have the information at hand to debunk these conclusively then all you need do is present it.
If you clearly debunk a persons claims as false and they continue to claim they are true or Visa versa then that would qualify as trolling.

I would not essentially trust those that make such claims in genuine ignorance ( if they are wrong)less in financial dealings.
No more than those that do not conduct their own research on things this important
Anyone just accepting an opinion they read on a forum before guzzling down bleach or burning a 5g mast is probably equally or even more high risk.

Conclusively debunk their statements on thread and if they continue presenting their debunked garbage as fact they are trolling.

Rumors have weights and can have real life disastrous consequences, I would say these fake news publishers are more lethal to the community than anything else in this current time and hence an instant ban on any serious fake news be implemented on anyone spreading panic about this virus. Already so many conspiracies!