Topic: Can you feel the Bern? - page 6. (Read 15752 times)

I think the basic idea of what Trump floated is wrong and I would hope that he would change his mind somewhat even if it did add slightly to certain kinds of risks.

That said, consider that the same guy who funded the recent mob break-up of a Trump rally in Chicago also funded efforts to produce how-to guides to show people from all over North Africa and the Middle East how to get into Europe and stay.  Other kinds of support to no doubt.  The guy has made his billions by breaking countries economically, and for some potential future targets it's probably easier to do when they've been softened up socially by overwhelming pressure from 'immigrants'.  Especially when said immigrants impose a strain on the welfare system.

It is fairly well known that ISIS is at it's core a bunch of mercenaries pulled from various places and funded by the U.S., Gulf monarchies, and Israel.  Probably others as well.  The goal is to litterally shatter countries for stratigic reasons.  When Libya was done they moved to Syria.  When Putin put the pressure on in Syria, the wave of 'immigrants' channeled North by Soros seemed to become a tsunami.  If that dynamic is even suspected to have resulted in some souls landed on our shores, it makes a certain amount of sense to pay some attention and mitigate the threats that could be posed for a certain amount of time.

It may sound a bit like nazi - although I totally disagree - however that seems like an acceptable point.

Understand that being muslim is not a race, it's a religion. Therefore meaning, even if he said that he hated all muslims (which he hasn't) he still wouldn't be racist.

To the original point, if he eluded to something that does not mean he actually believes it. I've watched many of his speeches and he has never said such a thing. The only thing he's said about muslims was to ban their entry in the US. This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone since we've seen muslims killing people in countries like Syria and Iraq and, on  top of that, countries like Germany that have allowed these "refugees" entrance have seen increased amounts of rape and assault. We need to figure out what's going on. A temporary ban on muslims entering the US seems perfectly acceptable to me. The only tracking of muslims we should do is convicted criminals who have been muslim - otherwise we just need to figure out what's going on.

Regardless of what he does, let's get the facts straight, being anti-muslim (of which both Trump and I are NOT) is not being racist.

Really, not a raciest? He eluded to a possibility of having Muslims wear arm bands, sounds a bit naziish to me.

So Bernie Sanders is still in the race and we know that mathematically he could still pull it out.  However, what states does he need to win and how big in order to make a come back?

I can certainly see Trump being president but then again I am very biased.

You're right Hillary is a puppet.
You're right Bernie will tax us.
You're not right on Trump. Again I am biased but seriously. No he's not racist. No he's not sexist. And he built one of the best companies in the world, on top of that turned $1 million into over $4 billion. He's no dummy. Not the worst but I am assuming you're getting that "idea" from watching CNN, MSNBC or The Young Turks, right?

Anyway, I highly recommend you stay in the US, even if Trump wins. Up in Canada, it's Prime Minister Selfie-- sorry Trudeau. Only cares about himself and no one else. But hey, you'll get a great selfie, eh?

It's a sad day for all of us. The prospects don't look good!
I cant imagine Hillary, Bernie or Trump as president. Can you?
Hillary will just be another puppet just like Obama is, Bernie will charge us taxes till our eyes bleed and Trump... What can I say, he's a racist, sexist, dummy. He would be the worst.
Depending on how this general election goes I may need to consider moving north.

Please don't respond with more trolling!

Also do more research... the affordable care act was not created by Hillary, it's a well-known fact that it began as a republican bill

Feel free to talk about the various policies or statements of each man... please keep the conversation about the candidates, not you and I... thanks

I almost hope the Don does get elected so America learns it's lesson... the hard way...

When people don't learn their lesson, they keep trying stupid shit

Oh god.  All politicians are bad in my opinion.  It's gotten this bad for me:  As long as Donald Trump does not get elected, I'll be happy with the result.  And in this case I am not sticking with the traditional definition of happy.

Ok well this is dumb. This conversation is reminding me too much of when I would argue with my siblings as a kid. Although even THAT had some intelligence to it. No facts, just loving Bernie and his communist-mobile.

Anyway, thanks for debate. I have too much to do now to respond to this argument and quite frankly I don't believe I will want to respond later.

Enjoy your day!

Edit: your posts are reloading with more text. I don't think it's my internet but maybe. Still I don't really care who has the bigger troll penis, but, let's be honest, it's probably Trump. (Now THAT'S trolling) Have a great day!

Kid, quit talking shit every post and just get to the subject, or I wont even read it... get a fucking clue

I don't mind talking about policies, but I refuse to play who has the bigger trollpenis

That wasn't long. Unless you're like 12 and don't want to read long texts.

If you want, we could stop using facts and just throw words like "ignorant" out at eachother! Well, you already started the train. Why don't I continue? You're ignorant! Stop with the ignorant bullshit! Stop! Stop!

So you handed any article without doing any prior research? You realize that, when doing that, you're most likely not going to come across any credible source right? In fact you didn't. You gave me MSNBC and the Huffington Post, both extremely biased towards the left. You could've even handed me something from Fox, sort of biased towards the right, although not always, and I still would've told you to get better sources.

I have a fair amount to do tonight and am busy so are you going to add anything else or should I just conclude that Donald Trump is the best? Well, I think I know what I will do anyway however, got any other buzz words to throw at me?

tl;dr

You assume way too much, I used Google and handed you the most recent article for each search...

I searched for "Donald Trump health care policy", etc... Completely unbiased (other than I am quite familiar with both so I knew the types of articles which would appear)


You came in here talking shit about Bernie... 13+ incorrect statements in your first post without a single shred of evidence to back up any of your claims... go troll somewhere else

No it's just that I have a life and actually do have other things to do than replying to people like you on bitcointalk.

I'd be more than willing to debate anything and I think I've proven that if you look at previous posts of mine.

Right off the bat, I must criticize your sources. You used MSNBC (hates Trump) and huffington post (hates Trump) as sources and thus they do not really prove much. Anyway, I won't call you ignorant or any other name, I'll just continue.

Let's start off with the very liberal MSNBC. By the way, they literally cheer lead for Obamacare but I digress. All it says in that article is the truth: Trump is going to scrap Obamacare (as he SHOULD, any conservative SHOULD) and replace it with something better. That obviously means privatizing it and letting the companies deal with it. It's noteworthy that he'd never let anyone die on the street. Of course, there may be costs, but our healthcare system would work so much better and people would be a lot better off.

The affordable care act was really created by Hillary. I am sure that if she gets into office she'll change its title to "Hillary care" because those are her priorities. However, the plan has made costs, including premiums, go through the roof and, on top of all the expenses we must pay, it doesn't even cover everyone.

Now take a look at Bernie, he wants to introduce universal healthcare. This is something that interests me a little, because it's worked in many places (supposedly). In Canada, there is universal healthcare and they're not spiraling into debt. Of course, they deal with about 1/10 of the population of the US and that would mean the US has to shove more cash into the healthcare throat. Regardless of population size, wherever universal healthcare may be found, there is always a long, long wait time for the person. While it can be beneficial to them if they need expensive surgery a lot of the time it's simple checkups or minor issues.

For the government to have to pay a lot of money for 300 or so million people is already ridiculous but on top of that there will be increasing wait times.

To me, that's ridiculous. You live in the United States (and this applies to Canada, too). You have an equal chance at earning a lot of money as the next person, you CAN earn enough to pay for medical insurance. We'll have more money for investments, more JOBS, and a better experience overall. I see no problem whatsoever with a conservative approach. (It doesn't even have to be Trump, although I like his plan, it could be any republican)

It would be polite of you to not put words in my mouth... I did not say what you claim I said...

Would you like to debate Bernie's policies?  I'm all for that...


What do you think about Trump's healthcare plan vs Bernie's healthcare plan?

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/Trumps Health Care Reform Plan Falls Far Short

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/Clinton And Sanders Are Both Right About The History Of Health Reform



How do you feel about Bernie Sanders winning the poll for, "The most trustworthy person to lead the nation’s military"?
http://blogs.reuters.com/talesfromthetrail/2016/03/15/poll-who-voters-want-for-the-next-commander-in-chief/

Oh so you want to talk again? Sure, I'm all for it.

You literally just said that anyone who does not support the same ideology as you (that is socialism) doesn't understand reality. Dude, that's called bigotry. You can't stand another opinion. Do I think liberals are fucked up? Sure, but I accept that some of them are very smart and know what they're doing, just have bad approach.

And your analogy makes no sense. Socialism is about creating one BIG corporation and that's the government. You'll get the exact same thing that you're getting now but from the government. I don't care who runs it, it never works. Didn't work with Stalin, didn't work with Castro.

I understand the reality of the situation very well. You already have socialism in America. We don't need a bigger government that can spy on us and control our every move! We need a small government.

And it's not that I just support Trump, I support many republicans. But Trump is the only conservative who I see winning the White House (well they all win but he'll win easily).

That's why I support him. Smaller government, lower taxes.

I am assuming you'll tell me once again I am trolling, am ignorant and you have no time yet you'll still want to talk. No worries I am always open to it - I like seeing all opinions not just my own!

Have a great day!

I feel it is unproductive to engage with trolls... You have no interest in debate or reality, you simply want to troll me and Bernie Sanders

Anyone who thinks socialism is evil, and corporations & wall-street are not... Doesn't understand the reality of the situation

If anything, socialism could be compared to Robin Hood... Isn't he considered the good guy?

Why do you support the sherrif of Nottingham (Trump) over Robin Hood (Bernie Sanders)?

OK.

Hopefully some other Bernie bots will come across this and see how completely STUPID their fellow bots are. I mean come on. You can't even engage in a discussion! You just call it "trolling"!

And then when you do engage in a discussion, you present the most idiotic points. Whatever, it's a shame that people like you don't even know how to defend what you want. That's why Hillary will win the nomination and then Trump will beat her.

I'm happy though - Hillary is too unstable to be president. Because of that, Trump will beat her EASILY. So please, continue your ignorance. And yes, you're the most ignorant uninformed person I've ever found.

You're going to help Make America Great Again. Thank you and have a great day. (See we Trump supporters are HUMANE, we don't go KILLING people like you guys do when you disagree with someone which is, by the way, bigotry)

I'm done with you

You do not know what you are talking about at all...

I will not waste all day with your shotgun propaganda... I will not debate 13 different ignorant statements at once

You are clearly a Bernie hater, for whatever reason, and are blind to reality... It would be like trying to convince a Christian that God isn't real... Waste of time...

I'll respond in a logical fashion to each of your wrongs. By the way, I won't respond with a one word answer, to quote you "stupid fuck".

Wrong 1: Bernie has continually praised the government of Cuba. One that is known for being VERY pro-communist and that has destroyed private business. Everyone works for the government and it is in control. The poverty rate is very high and unemployment has sky rocketed. When I call Bernie a communist, it's obviously an exaggeration but he has so many policies that resemble such that we have seen in many communist regimes.

Wrong 2: yes he is. Free college (mainly for blacks, he doesn't usually talk about whites), free healthcare. A lot of free stuff -- but a lot of expensive stuff too. The government cannot afford his plans UNLESS they increase taxes. Do you really want that? More taxes ONTOP of Obamas?

Wrong 3: Well it was an exaggeration. Our country will be destroyed if a democrat is elected, they'll let sharia law take over.

Wrong 4: socialism or communism BOTH destroy competition. And, unless he taxes us like crazy, the national debt will rise.

Wrong 5: How else will be pay? Other than taxes?

Wrong 6: Ok, thanks for giving me a synonym. Not sure how this is actual a wrong because we both agree but sure go ahead!

Wrong 7: No, not necessarily. If a company is very successful It is was it is. Why the hell do you need some corrupt idiot in the White House to break it up for you?

Wrong 8: Not sure how to respond because you didn't give many words. Wall Street isn't bad. I'll leave it up to you.

Wrong 9: Yes taxes kill the economy. All economic systems that have low taxes have always prospered.

Wrong 10: It's called a turn off. Most people experience it when they are no longer sexually aroused due to some unexpected circumstances. Same idea here.

Wrong 11: In most states last night Hillary got more than Bernie. She also has all the super delegates. Face it she's already the winner. Bernie's just in it to make a point.

Wrong 12: He can go all to the convention. It won't change anything.

Wrong 13: Um, not sure how this is a wrong either! I DO want to Make America Great Again. How is my belief in an opinion wrong again?

Wow 13 "wrongs" made right! Were those all the best arguments you've got? Seriously. Some "wrongs" don't even make sense! Please, if anyone is ignorant it's you. I will happily await your response. Otherwise, I'm ready for President Trump.

PS No, look it up! Misspelt is the BRITISH way of spelling and misspelled is the AMERICAN adaptation. Kind of like FAVOURITE and FAVORITE.