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Quote from: psjin128 on January 24, 2020, 06:48:17 AM

As i am looking at bitcoin chart now, BTC price just soared little bit in a short time.

It happened because of whale's move or not.

Btw, can anybody identify whale's move? If there is a way to see it, is there a tip for it?

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What happen this week can be considered a whale move with over 12000 Bitcoin dump it has huge impact in the market and until now the market is down, although in the process of recovering, people can easily trace where the dump is happening because it is traceable on the exchange

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Quote from: adaseb on March 04, 2020, 04:38:06 PM

No I don't think its the whales who are telling each other by posting large bids/asks. Honestly I am pretty sure there are tons of whales out there that trade against themselves. Whales aren't worried about small retail traders front-running them but they would be more concerned about some large whale which takes their orders and profits instead of them.

The reason why the spoofs are there is because its most likely to trick bots. I noticed 2 things. When in an up-trend there is a large bid that appears close to the fair value, then usually within a few seconds there is a large amount of market buys that are executed. This can be very profitable if you are fast.

Well, we can only speculate, but old money does tend to talk to each other, and it's to avoid that kind of risk of falling for other whales sniping that'll motivate them to seek out each other for mutual benefit.

In any case, I wonder why no one talks about Spoofy anymore. All that speculation before, surprised no one doxed Spoofy to the end, or did that already happen? Or what about that botnet that got crippled I think back in 2018. I'm sure it's built up to previous numbers by now.

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Quote from: adaseb on March 03, 2020, 11:50:11 PM

Yes but keep in mind that the whales that make these 20-50 million dollar bids/asks they always have a risk incase some other whale takes that trade for them. There were times in the past when some whale was spoofing and he got caught on the other side of the market when some other whale just as large just took his bid or offer because he wanted to take profit. Then what does he do?

Or, it could simply be the exchange whales telling each other, hey, let's benefit from a bit of shifting around. It shows that volume's good on our platforms, it shows also that whales and rich peeps trust us, and it only costs us a few dollars after a few txs. It's not like these whales don't know each other too, even if they're not at exchanges. The community would have been really small back when people were mining and sending to each other.

No I don't think its the whales who are telling each other by posting large bids/asks. Honestly I am pretty sure there are tons of whales out there that trade against themselves. Whales aren't worried about small retail traders front-running them but they would be more concerned about some large whale which takes their orders and profits instead of them.

The reason why the spoofs are there is because its most likely to trick bots. I noticed 2 things. When in an up-trend there is a large bid that appears close to the fair value, then usually within a few seconds there is a large amount of market buys that are executed. This can be very profitable if you are fast.

Second thing is that in a down-trend, when there is a large bid that is all of a sudden removed from the market, usually there is a market selling that is going on. Many people notice this and they set bots so they catch the action. However keep in mind, sometimes these might be traps.

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Quote from: psjin128 on January 24, 2020, 06:48:17 AM

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No one can identify whale move because we don't know who's the whale I think there's a lot of whale so we don't know if that movement do whale. I think trader can also do movement when they are buying more bitcoin.
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Whale moves can really be detect out when its already too late or the price do already reacts due to their actions this is why its really hard

to determine or spot it out when they are just still planning or tending to make a move and in times of such event its either you do go along with those
movements or fully contradicts.

Whales are normal on any market and due to their financial capability they do really have a big impact towards market possible next movements.

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Quote from: psjin128 on January 24, 2020, 06:48:17 AM

As i am looking at bitcoin chart now, BTC price just soared little bit in a short time.

It happened because of whale's move or not.

Btw, can anybody identify whale's move? If there is a way to see it, is there a tip for it?

And has anyone experienced BISPEX exchange known as its insurance funding?

Thx!

No one can identify whale move because we don't know who's the whale I think there's a lot of whale so we don't know if that movement do whale. I think trader can also do movement when they are buying more bitcoin.
Bispex its my first time heard that you can search it very well before you gonna do fund it.

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Quote from: justdimin on March 03, 2020, 12:06:46 PM

Rich people usually can afford stuff like that. When you have 20-50 million to put on bitmex and try to profit from it, you will have a bigger chance of a success compared to a person who puts up 20-50 dollars in total. The amount of money that is required to move the whole market up or down is a lot but when you have that type of money you can wager on bitcoin to go up and actually take it up yourself as well all leading up to you making a lot more money.

All in all being a whale helps you trade even in bitcoin world and it has always been a great deal in stock markets, look at Warren Buffet, whatever that dude buys goes up because he is both famous and rich enough to buy a ton of it to make it go up just from buying.

Having such amount of investment and the right knowledge to use gives you all the opportunities to move the market according to your plan directions.
Most of the time whales are creating artificial movements, testing the emotions of each traders around, they've got enough funding and strategy to try and checked how things will work for them to make more money out from the hands of those small players.
It's tough to follow them as they can changed right after their first move since they still got the money to use to switch from one direction to another.

it is not as easy as it may look like. in fact a lot of whales have gone broke trying to manipulate the market. for example during 2017 i have seen many bear whales who tried going against the market and manipulate it to push it down but they were crushed under the sheer amount of total buy strength that they lost a lot of money in the process.

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Quote from: justdimin on March 03, 2020, 12:06:46 PM

Rich people usually can afford stuff like that. When you have 20-50 million to put on bitmex and try to profit from it, you will have a bigger chance of a success compared to a person who puts up 20-50 dollars in total. The amount of money that is required to move the whole market up or down is a lot but when you have that type of money you can wager on bitcoin to go up and actually take it up yourself as well all leading up to you making a lot more money.

All in all being a whale helps you trade even in bitcoin world and it has always been a great deal in stock markets, look at Warren Buffet, whatever that dude buys goes up because he is both famous and rich enough to buy a ton of it to make it go up just from buying.

Having such amount of investment and the right knowledge to use gives you all the opportunities to move the market according to your plan directions.
Most of the time whales are creating artificial movements, testing the emotions of each traders around, they've got enough funding and strategy to try and checked how things will work for them to make more money out from the hands of those small players.
It's tough to follow them as they can changed right after their first move since they still got the money to use to switch from one direction to another.

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Quote from: adaseb on March 03, 2020, 11:50:11 PM

Yes but keep in mind that the whales that make these 20-50 million dollar bids/asks they always have a risk incase some other whale takes that trade for them. There were times in the past when some whale was spoofing and he got caught on the other side of the market when some other whale just as large just took his bid or offer because he wanted to take profit. Then what does he do?

Or, it could simply be the exchange whales telling each other, hey, let's benefit from a bit of shifting around. It shows that volume's good on our platforms, it shows also that whales and rich peeps trust us, and it only costs us a few dollars after a few txs. It's not like these whales don't know each other too, even if they're not at exchanges. The community would have been really small back when people were mining and sending to each other.

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Quote from: adaseb on March 03, 2020, 11:50:11 PM

Quote from: justdimin on March 03, 2020, 12:06:46 PM

Rich people usually can afford stuff like that. When you have 20-50 million to put on bitmex and try to profit from it, you will have a bigger chance of a success compared to a person who puts up 20-50 dollars in total. The amount of money that is required to move the whole market up or down is a lot but when you have that type of money you can wager on bitcoin to go up and actually take it up yourself as well all leading up to you making a lot more money.

All in all being a whale helps you trade even in bitcoin world and it has always been a great deal in stock markets, look at Warren Buffet, whatever that dude buys goes up because he is both famous and rich enough to buy a ton of it to make it go up just from buying.

Yes but keep in mind that the whales that make these 20-50 million dollar bids/asks they always have a risk incase some other whale takes that trade for them. There were times in the past when some whale was spoofing and he got caught on the other side of the market when some other whale just as large just took his bid or offer because he wanted to take profit. Then what does he do?

Warren Buffet might be rich but the stock doesn't go up just because he buys it. Most of the stocks he hold he held for many many years and even if he was a buyer he wouldn't be doing a market buy. He just holds many of his positions due to dividends and because the stock value will result in more money than keeping cash in a savings account. I don't think Warren Buffet is someone who pumps and dumps stocks.

This is why I like Bitcoin or crypto the price couldn't easily be manipulated.
It takes some huge amount to create a movement and if their plan didn't work then it would be a huge loss for the whales.
They could create some FUD and FOMO by moving their crypto but if people wouldn't care about it or ignore it then nothing would happen.
We are the one who is creating this price pump and dump every one is contributing to it so don't blame the whales or other things.

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Quote from: justdimin on March 03, 2020, 12:06:46 PM

Rich people usually can afford stuff like that. When you have 20-50 million to put on bitmex and try to profit from it, you will have a bigger chance of a success compared to a person who puts up 20-50 dollars in total. The amount of money that is required to move the whole market up or down is a lot but when you have that type of money you can wager on bitcoin to go up and actually take it up yourself as well all leading up to you making a lot more money.

All in all being a whale helps you trade even in bitcoin world and it has always been a great deal in stock markets, look at Warren Buffet, whatever that dude buys goes up because he is both famous and rich enough to buy a ton of it to make it go up just from buying.

Yes but keep in mind that the whales that make these 20-50 million dollar bids/asks they always have a risk incase some other whale takes that trade for them. There were times in the past when some whale was spoofing and he got caught on the other side of the market when some other whale just as large just took his bid or offer because he wanted to take profit. Then what does he do?

Warren Buffet might be rich but the stock doesn't go up just because he buys it. Most of the stocks he hold he held for many many years and even if he was a buyer he wouldn't be doing a market buy. He just holds many of his positions due to dividends and because the stock value will result in more money than keeping cash in a savings account. I don't think Warren Buffet is someone who pumps and dumps stocks.

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Rich people usually can afford stuff like that. When you have 20-50 million to put on bitmex and try to profit from it, you will have a bigger chance of a success compared to a person who puts up 20-50 dollars in total. The amount of money that is required to move the whole market up or down is a lot but when you have that type of money you can wager on bitcoin to go up and actually take it up yourself as well all leading up to you making a lot more money.

All in all being a whale helps you trade even in bitcoin world and it has always been a great deal in stock markets, look at Warren Buffet, whatever that dude buys goes up because he is both famous and rich enough to buy a ton of it to make it go up just from buying.

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Quote from: psjin128 on January 24, 2020, 06:48:17 AM

As i am looking at bitcoin chart now, BTC price just soared little bit in a short time.

It happened because of whale's move or not.

Btw, can anybody identify whale's move? If there is a way to see it, is there a tip for it?

And has anyone experienced BISPEX exchange known as its insurance funding?

Thx!

You should go and make money and become one of the whales. You can define the movement of any coins I you can generate 50% of it volumes. It is very difficult to become whales if you are not one of them. The reason why their are making is because majority of the traders don't know or have knowledge on what the whales do!

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Quote from: psjin128 on January 24, 2020, 06:48:17 AM

As i am looking at bitcoin chart now, BTC price just soared little bit in a short time.

It happened because of whale's move or not.

Btw, can anybody identify whale's move? If there is a way to see it, is there a tip for it?

And has anyone experienced BISPEX exchange known as its insurance funding?

Thx!

It is pretty difficult to identify the whales move but if you will just follow the market closely without thinking any negative then you can have a useful information as your basis to check if it was being done by whales or just a trespassing traders that wants to play with the market.

As what I observed, most of the whales are holding their assets for a long term one and they have people to spread a lot of hype in order to boost the market condition. Aside from it, I didn't experience yet any big whales that are playing with the market condition like the big whales are trading daily or weekly. But as what I observed with the market, it is within it's normal condition as the dip is not that big and not that long also.

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Don't know if any of you guys trade on Bitmex, but apparently there was a spoofer who kept placing these 20M-50M orders from time to time leading up to the peak in February.

Basically it was so apparent it was a spoof and most people assumed that since it was a large bid, he had a larger offer somewhere and the market would tank, however the complete opposite happened and we kept going up and up. Many people tried to countertrade him and ended up with huge losses.

I think he found a way to trick some algos because whenever the large bid appeared in a bull trend, almost immediately price would spike up $5-$10 or so. So far haven't seem him back yet.

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Quote from: GuyFromBarcelona on January 31, 2020, 09:06:24 PM

yo can't predict what decisions other person is going to make. that it's only in films.. you can make a guess, but will be just luck.

Not actually only our luck will play in this situation. Our research and our knowledge about the trading markets would be most useful in this case. What most of the newbies think is that they could never predict the future for any coin and it makes them buy or sell at the price they could feel reliable just by speculating few buy and sell orders, volume, etc.

These few things would never help you to buy at a correct price as you would need a lot of other strategies which would help you to find better price for yourself to invest. Even the big whales are human beings and god has given them the same brain as we have so why not utilize it like them? Even you can find where the big whales might enter or exit if you have the ability to spend hours of your day in making huge research in front of your desktop.

Indeed, knowledge and being wise are two of the important things a trader or an investor should have because, without it, you would just be drifting into the market and is not capable to see the possible and potential coins that might rise or bloom in the future. A lot of people have earned a lot of profit by learning all about the current trends and new coins available in the market, so it recommendable for the newbies to first read about the basics and fundamentals in the market before engaging in trading or investments for them to avoid such risk.

Whales would mostly consists of a group of people dealing with various cryptocurrency or Bitcoin in the market, they own a lot of stock in it, you could see its movement mostly if someone sold a large volume of Bitcoin in the market, which could really affect the standing of a coin in the market.

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Quote from: GuyFromBarcelona on January 31, 2020, 09:06:24 PM

yo can't predict what decisions other person is going to make. that it's only in films.. you can make a guess, but will be just luck.

Not actually only our luck will play in this situation. Our research and our knowledge about the trading markets would be most useful in this case. What most of the newbies think is that they could never predict the future for any coin and it makes them buy or sell at the price they could feel reliable just by speculating few buy and sell orders, volume, etc.

These few things would never help you to buy at a correct price as you would need a lot of other strategies which would help you to find better price for yourself to invest. Even the big whales are human beings and god has given them the same brain as we have so why not utilize it like them? Even you can find where the big whales might enter or exit if you have the ability to spend hours of your day in making huge research in front of your desktop.

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Big whales would never play blind as the new traders do because they only invest if their research permits them to. Big whales have been making TA and would only enter or exit the markets accordingly.

Now, how is it possible for you to predict their movements? The most simple answer from my side would be for you to start understanding the graphs and implying the patters and strategies onto the graph to show you further movements. You can predict the future price of any coin if you made some.

Technical Analysis and if you have the ability to understand the graphs. You can even predict at which point big whales would enter or exit by considering some of the large buy/sell orders. Big whales never buy or sell coins at the current market value. They always set buy and sell orders above or below the market price by making their own research.

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Your experiencing a common human flaw which is to place a human face on every natural phenomena, the world is larger then just us. A big move doesnt have to be a big person moving a piece on a chess board, it can be the accumulation of a million people and their feelings towards worth of cash or various assets vs the secure transaction accessible across the internet that Bitcoin represents.
I'm certain its not about whales, its a flock movement like the way sparrows fly or fish swim in sequence effected by each other in time but also as a group hence seperate units can appear as one. I would label this as consensus opinion which moves in waves usually, to have BTC backed into thousands of value like this is more faith then any thought would occur but here we are. Its not whales alone, they cannot move the ocean.

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yo can't predict what decisions other person is going to make. that it's only in films.. you can make a guess, but will be just luck.

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I don't think this pump was due to any whales move and I think we need to focus more on market situations than whale's move because we have no idea what will be their next move and we can only identify it by the way market trends, so we are better of closely monitoring the market and price trend than going after the reason for soar or dump.

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