Can you still believe aTriz words? Reopened, too many open questions - page 19.

Joel_Jantsen

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Quote from: alia on March 01, 2018, 01:04:57 AM

The contract is not void, and there is no chance of it becoming void for a long, long time. It will likely become void if/when I am not Legendary after 3 years, but that remains to be seen. I would advise aTriz not to try and "wriggle out" of the contract, because it puts me in a position where I will be forced to reveal certain things that he has done. If he sticks to the terms of the contract, as stipulated, he is my friend, and he will not be my enemy. Being my enemy is not a very favourable position for anyone to be in. Roll Eyes

That's an extortion attempt...

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Quote from: alia on March 01, 2018, 01:04:57 AM

The contract is not void, and there is no chance of it becoming void for a long, long time. It will likely become void if/when I am not Legendary after 3 years, but that remains to be seen. I would advise aTriz not to try and "wriggle out" of the contract, because it puts me in a position where I will be forced to reveal certain things that he has done. If he sticks to the terms of the contract, as stipulated, he is my friend, and he will not be my enemy. Being my enemy is not a very favourable position for anyone to be in. Roll Eyes

Pretty interesting. I'm going to assume everyone who negatively repped you is also your "enemy". Good luck trying to fight Theymos on the forum he runs himself.

Overall though I feel it wouldn't be "unethical" on Atriz's part to back out of the entire affair since you getting negatively repped was completely out of the blue in the entire affair and the deal was from what it sounds "Purchase of the signature of a quality poster and what could be reputed person in the future".

But now you're one of the least trusted users on this forum AKA the deal's original purpose has gone to shit.

alia

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The contract is not void in any way since none of the terms are broken.

I wish to sever my relationship with aTriz. I will continue posting, he will continue paying me, until the time is up. I will not continue posting in this thread. If anyone has any questions for me, feel free to direct them to the other thread (about me) or send them to me in PM.

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Seems to me like the contract would already be void here. You entered into an agreement where you would receive payment(not including the upfront payment) upon successfully completing 30-100 posts in a predetermined amount of time. At the time of making the deal your account was in good standing. Whether the deal was what most would consider "retarded" to involve himself in, Atriz agreed.

Now your account is shit. Massive negative trust(which I will be adding to shortly), signature not worth a dime anymore. When you accrued this negative trust, you broke the contract as your signature space is now rendered useless to Atriz. The deal is void due to a change in your status. Whether Atriz wants to pursue a refund on the 1.1btc prepayment is on him, but any further payments are null and void IMO.

Which brings me to the question, Atriz, what the hell were you thinking here? Do you know this person IRL? From the last few posts I would be led to believe that's possibly the case here and they have some sort of information on you that you may not want the community to know about. Most def attempting extortion on you at the least.

You guys do whatever you feel is best here but as stated above, the contract is voided IMO and alia should move on.

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Quote from: MadZ on March 01, 2018, 01:15:38 AM

Quote from: alia on March 01, 2018, 01:04:57 AM

The contract is not void, and there is no chance of it becoming void for a long, long time. It will likely become void if/when I am not Legendary after 3 years, but that remains to be seen. I would advise aTriz not to try and "wriggle out" of the contract, because it puts me in a position where I will be forced to reveal certain things that he has done. If he sticks to the terms of the contract, as stipulated, he is my friend, and he will not be my enemy. Being my enemy is not a very favourable position for anyone to be in. Roll Eyes

"Pay me my money or I will do bad things to you."

Gotta love good old fashioned extortion Roll Eyes

Quote from: Quickseller on March 01, 2018, 01:00:51 AM

I think it would be difficult to argue that aTriz did not know alia was a "gambling exploit" seller considering he was actively assisting this fraud.

I believe aTriz entered the contract before she tried selling her gambling method for $10k USD. His vouch was in regards to her sexual-favor backed gambling services, which while suspect, at least had some loose form of collateral.

No extortion - I expect aTriz to remain in the contract. Thus I will do nothing yet.

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Quote from: alia on March 01, 2018, 01:04:57 AM

The contract is not void, and there is no chance of it becoming void for a long, long time. It will likely become void if/when I am not Legendary after 3 years, but that remains to be seen. I would advise aTriz not to try and "wriggle out" of the contract, because it puts me in a position where I will be forced to reveal certain things that he has done. If he sticks to the terms of the contract, as stipulated, he is my friend, and he will not be my enemy. Being my enemy is not a very favourable position for anyone to be in. Roll Eyes

"Pay me my money or I will do bad things to you."

Gotta love good old fashioned extortion Roll Eyes

Quote from: Quickseller on March 01, 2018, 01:00:51 AM

I think it would be difficult to argue that aTriz did not know alia was a "gambling exploit" seller considering he was actively assisting this fraud.

I believe aTriz entered the contract before she tried selling her gambling method for $10k USD. His vouch was in regards to her sexual-favor backed gambling services, which while suspect, at least had some loose form of collateral.

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Quote from: Vod on March 01, 2018, 01:07:56 AM

Quote from: alia on March 01, 2018, 01:04:57 AM

The contract is not void, and there is no chance of it becoming void for a long, long time. It will likely become void if/when I am not Legendary after 3 years, but that remains to be seen. I would advise aTriz not to try and "wriggle out" of the contract, because it puts me in a position where I will be forced to reveal certain things that he has done. If he sticks to the terms of the contract, as stipulated, he is my friend, and he will not be my enemy. Being my enemy is not a very favourable position for anyone to be in. Roll Eyes

Ugh - you are now rated lower than Quickseller. :/

I don't know whether to be ashamed, angry, or proud. Maybe a little bit of all three

Am I the most negged person in BCT history?

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Quote from: alia on March 01, 2018, 01:04:57 AM

The contract is not void, and there is no chance of it becoming void for a long, long time. It will likely become void if/when I am not Legendary after 3 years, but that remains to be seen. I would advise aTriz not to try and "wriggle out" of the contract, because it puts me in a position where I will be forced to reveal certain things that he has done. If he sticks to the terms of the contract, as stipulated, he is my friend, and he will not be my enemy. Being my enemy is not a very favourable position for anyone to be in. Roll Eyes

Ugh - you are now rated lower than Quickseller. :/

alia

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The contract is not void, and there is no chance of it becoming void for a long, long time. It will likely become void if/when I am not Legendary after 3 years, but that remains to be seen. I would advise aTriz not to try and "wriggle out" of the contract, because it puts me in a position where I will be forced to reveal certain things that he has done. If he sticks to the terms of the contract, as stipulated, he is my friend, and he will not be my enemy. Being my enemy is not a very favourable position for anyone to be in. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: MadZ on March 01, 2018, 12:40:36 AM

Quote from: aTriz on March 01, 2018, 12:13:37 AM

Quote from: Joel_Jantsen on March 01, 2018, 12:10:08 AM

Quote from: aTriz on March 01, 2018, 12:01:54 AM

Since I'm trapped in this deal, and I have a feeling that certain members will neg me if I back out of this contract, I've told alia to take of the alu signature and she can do whatever with it.

Like I said before,being a scammer with -256 negative feedback wasn't surely a part of the contract.Paying a scammer on monthly basis for providing a worthless service is not the productive outcome for your money. I don't think you should be tagged because the other party doesn't hold the credibility to stand on the contract anymore.

Quote from: aTriz on March 01, 2018, 12:01:54 AM

Edit - I don't think certain members will care about the small details like going over 100 posts. I'll get negged no matter how I leave the contract and my reputation is worth a lot more than 1.1 btc.

You don't get the point here.It's not about 1.1 btc. Can't you see how you have been cornered to pay a scammer ? Mistakes were made but you shouldn't be the one paying for it.Please open a separate thread and see what other community members have to say about it.

I see.

I'm not pleased with paying a scammer 1.1 BTC but this seems like the only option, unless...

I'll open a thread, or if someone else wants to go ahead, to see the communities opinion on this. Maybe then I can wriggle out of the contract.

In my opinion, the contract could be voided because of frustration of purpose. A little excerpt below clearly describes the situation at hand:

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Frustration of purpose occurs when an unforeseen event undermines a party's principal purpose for entering into a contract such that the performance of the contract is radically different from performance of the contract that was originally contemplated by both parties, and both parties knew of the principal purpose at the time the contract was made.

When you first entered this contract, the principal purpose was to provide a long term advertising deal with a promising new member of the community. Her trustworthiness was a major consideration implied in the value of what you were purchasing, and it was unknown to you at the time that she was just another run-of-the-mill "gambling exploit" seller. While I would say you are within your legal rights to renege, I'm not sure if the court of public opinion will feel the same way. It is a shitty situation for you to be in.

I think it would be difficult to argue that aTriz did not know alia was a "gambling exploit" seller considering he was actively assisting this fraud.

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If you think about it, it's actually very likely Alia will meet her merit requirements for Legendary. She already has negative trust, so it would be quite trivial for her to buy a few Legendary accounts (they had 200 sMerits given when the system was launched IIRC), and gain the 1000 merits she needs. It would cost a fraction of the 1.1 BTC aTriz is paying to get 5 accounts.

This is of course assuming administration doesn't step in and give her and her alts a ban.

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Quote from: aTriz on March 01, 2018, 12:13:37 AM

Quote from: Joel_Jantsen on March 01, 2018, 12:10:08 AM

Quote from: aTriz on March 01, 2018, 12:01:54 AM

Since I'm trapped in this deal, and I have a feeling that certain members will neg me if I back out of this contract, I've told alia to take of the alu signature and she can do whatever with it.

Like I said before,being a scammer with -256 negative feedback wasn't surely a part of the contract.Paying a scammer on monthly basis for providing a worthless service is not the productive outcome for your money. I don't think you should be tagged because the other party doesn't hold the credibility to stand on the contract anymore.

Quote from: aTriz on March 01, 2018, 12:01:54 AM

Edit - I don't think certain members will care about the small details like going over 100 posts. I'll get negged no matter how I leave the contract and my reputation is worth a lot more than 1.1 btc.

You don't get the point here.It's not about 1.1 btc. Can't you see how you have been cornered to pay a scammer ? Mistakes were made but you shouldn't be the one paying for it.Please open a separate thread and see what other community members have to say about it.

I see.

I'm not pleased with paying a scammer 1.1 BTC but this seems like the only option, unless...

I'll open a thread, or if someone else wants to go ahead, to see the communities opinion on this. Maybe then I can wriggle out of the contract.

In my opinion, the contract could be voided because of frustration of purpose. A little excerpt below clearly describes the situation at hand:

Quote

Frustration of purpose occurs when an unforeseen event undermines a party's principal purpose for entering into a contract such that the performance of the contract is radically different from performance of the contract that was originally contemplated by both parties, and both parties knew of the principal purpose at the time the contract was made.

When you first entered this contract, the principal purpose was to provide a long term advertising deal with a promising new member of the community. Her trustworthiness was a major consideration implied in the value of what you were purchasing, and it was unknown to you at the time that she was just another run-of-the-mill "gambling exploit" seller. While I would say you are within your legal rights to renege, I'm not sure if the court of public opinion will feel the same way. It is a shitty situation for you to be in.

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Quote from: Joel_Jantsen on March 01, 2018, 12:10:08 AM

Quote from: aTriz on March 01, 2018, 12:01:54 AM

Since I'm trapped in this deal, and I have a feeling that certain members will neg me if I back out of this contract, I've told alia to take of the alu signature and she can do whatever with it.

Like I said before,being a scammer with -256 negative feedback wasn't surely a part of the contract.Paying a scammer on monthly basis for providing a worthless service is not the productive outcome for your money. I don't think you should be tagged because the other party doesn't hold the credibility to stand on the contract anymore.

Quote from: aTriz on March 01, 2018, 12:01:54 AM

Edit - I don't think certain members will care about the small details like going over 100 posts. I'll get negged no matter how I leave the contract and my reputation is worth a lot more than 1.1 btc.

You don't get the point here.It's not about 1.1 btc. Can't you see how you have been cornered to pay a scammer ? Mistakes were made but you shouldn't be the one paying for it.Please open a separate thread and see what other community members have to say about it.

I see.

I'm not pleased with paying a scammer 1.1 BTC but this seems like the only option, unless...

I'll open a thread, or if someone else wants to go ahead, to see the communities opinion on this. Maybe then I can wriggle out of the contract.

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Quote from: suchmoon on March 01, 2018, 12:09:09 AM

Quote from: aTriz on March 01, 2018, 12:01:54 AM

Since I'm trapped in this deal, and I have a feeling that certain members will neg me if I back out of this contract, I've told alia to take of the alu signature and she can do whatever with it.

I'll still be making payments though, monthly.

1.1 down the drain...

Edit - I don't think certain members will care about the small details like going over 100 posts. I'll get negged no matter how I leave the contract and my reputation is worth a lot more than 1.1 btc.

That's mighty generous of you. What's your reason for removing the ad from the signature?

I don't want alu to be involved with that kind of shady behavior.

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Quote from: aTriz on March 01, 2018, 12:01:54 AM

Since I'm trapped in this deal, and I have a feeling that certain members will neg me if I back out of this contract, I've told alia to take of the alu signature and she can do whatever with it.

Like I said before,being a scammer with -256 negative feedback wasn't surely a part of the contract.Paying a scammer on monthly basis for providing a worthless service is not the productive outcome for your money. I don't think you should be tagged because the other party doesn't hold the credibility to stand on the contract anymore.

Quote from: aTriz on March 01, 2018, 12:01:54 AM

Edit - I don't think certain members will care about the small details like going over 100 posts. I'll get negged no matter how I leave the contract and my reputation is worth a lot more than 1.1 btc.

You don't get the point here.It's not about 1.1 btc. Can't you see how you have been cornered to pay a scammer ? Mistakes were made but you shouldn't be the one paying for it.Please open a separate thread and see what other community members have to say about it.

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Quote from: aTriz on March 01, 2018, 12:01:54 AM

Since I'm trapped in this deal, and I have a feeling that certain members will neg me if I back out of this contract, I've told alia to take of the alu signature and she can do whatever with it.

I'll still be making payments though, monthly.

1.1 down the drain...

Edit - I don't think certain members will care about the small details like going over 100 posts. I'll get negged no matter how I leave the contract and my reputation is worth a lot more than 1.1 btc.

That's mighty generous of you. What's your reason for removing the ad from the signature?

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Since I'm trapped in this deal, and I have a feeling that certain members will neg me if I back out of this contract, I've told alia to take of the alu signature and she can do whatever with it.

I'll still be making payments though, monthly.

1.1 down the drain...

Edit - I don't think certain members will care about the small details like going over 100 posts. I'll get negged no matter how I leave the contract and my reputation is worth a lot more than 1.1 btc.

alia

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As per a discussion with aTriz, he will continue payments, and is allowing me to put my Lending service in the signature space. I'm taking a 1 hour break from the forum.

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Quote from: alia on February 28, 2018, 11:44:13 PM

Quote from: Toughit on February 28, 2018, 11:43:04 PM

Quote from: alia on February 28, 2018, 11:38:15 PM

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I said it can indicate. I have explained this many, many, many times. Just go through my old posts. And I have no need to salvage a deal which is already intact.

Nope, twist all you want, if you posted more than 100 times, you broke the deal.

That's really not how it works. You are incorrect. aTriz can come on and clarify what we both understood of the deal.

OK, last post from me.

I'm assuming aTriz would want out of the deal, if not, then sorry for speaking up.

I would hope aTriz would heed the advice of his internet lawyer (I'm not) and let the written word speak for him: technically, clearly, the WRITTEN terms are violated.

OP, sorry for the derailed thread.

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Quote from: alia on February 28, 2018, 11:38:15 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on February 28, 2018, 11:36:34 PM

Quote from: alia on February 28, 2018, 11:24:27 PM

My word against math? nullius used the figure "100%" many times in his post, but never ONCE in my thread did I guarantee success. I said that it is EV-, and its success is purely based on anecdotal and empirical evidence.

That's not what happened. You backpedaled a little bit after making demonstrably false claims such as this:

Quote from: alia on February 27, 2018, 01:04:40 AM

Based on preceding games, the script can indicate (to a mathematical extent) what kind of games are about to come consequently.

Your best bet (pun intended) now would be to shut your trap and try to salvage your deal with aTriz instead of trying to prove you're not a scammer. That train has sailed.

I said it can indicate. I have explained this many, many, many times. Just go through my old posts. And I have no need to salvage a deal which is already intact.

That's still false and I did read your posts - aside from variations of the gambler's fallacy there is nothing there.

aTriz does not seem to be happy with the deal anymore. He could choose to end it and risk the consequences, which might be negligible for him if you continue acting in bad faith.

Quote from: alia on February 28, 2018, 11:46:38 PM

I do not think it is justifiable for the contract to be broken because no terms have been breached. aTriz can clarify this. The payments are supposed to be made to me, and not an escrow - aTriz can clarify this. But - due to the new circumstances, I will allow one concession. I will allow payments to be made to a Copay wallet (with one key controlled by me and one with aTriz). It will be setup such that coins can only be moved with the consent of me and aTriz. If, at the end of the 3 year term, I have made enough posts and am Legendary, then aTriz will transfer the coins into my wallet. If it has not been done, I'll refund the 5 months' payment along with everything in the Copay wallet.

This doesn't make it any less risky for aTriz.

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