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Topic: Can you still believe aTriz words? Reopened, too many open questions - page 21. (Read 5752 times)

jr. member
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How can you trust allie to pay you back 1.1 BTC or the USD equivlant in 3 years if they do not reach legendary? Are you paying her to an escrow address that she does not have access too?

I got all my merit in a month. At the same rate, it would take 9 months to reach 1000 merit.

You will not have anywhere near the same rate due to the dwindling sMerit airdrop and due to your red trust.

People who state the future in absolute terms are usually wrong.

How many merits did you get since you went full scam?

I didn't go "full scam", not a single person has lost a single satoshi because of me. This is just a smear campaign.
jr. member
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aTrix is a very astute individual.

Look at his contract:

"aTriz and I are going into a 3-year contract for my signature space. The terms are as follows:

- - I will post anywhere from 30 to 100 posts monthly on bitcointalk
- - By the end of the three year term, I will be a Legendary member
- - For the whole term, a signature of his choice will be in my signature space

If any of these terms are not met, aTriz has no obligation to continue payments, and I will refund him the total paid amount."


He obviously placed an upper limit of 100 posts per month, NO MORE than 100, to avoid her spamming and watering down his signature campaign.

If alia posts more than 100 per month, she is in violation of her contract, and has to pay back all funds.







Incorrect. The contract does not state that posting over 100 times is a violation. In fact, it would be beneficial for aTriz. If 29 posts have been done by me in any given month, then the "30-100" clause is unfulfilled. If 200 are done, then the "30-100" clause is fulfilled because I will have indeed have posted 30-100 posts, regardless of the excess amount.

Incorrect. it VERY specifically states 30-100.   The limit on the low end is implied as well as the upper end.  It does not state 30 or above, it states 30-100.

Pay him back (if that is what he wants)

There is no upper limit stated. If I had said "over 30 and less than 100" then it would make sense. However, I said 30-100. This means that my profile must have 30-100 posts - whether there are 30-100 + 400 or 30-100 + 5000 is irrelevant. The problem arises if I make less than 30 posts.
legendary
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Merit: 8909
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How can you trust allie to pay you back 1.1 BTC or the USD equivlant in 3 years if they do not reach legendary? Are you paying her to an escrow address that she does not have access too?

I got all my merit in a month. At the same rate, it would take 9 months to reach 1000 merit.

You will not have anywhere near the same rate due to the dwindling sMerit airdrop and due to your red trust.

People who state the future in absolute terms are usually wrong.

How many merits did you get since you went full scam?
full member
Activity: 378
Merit: 197
aTrix is a very astute individual.

Look at his contract:

"aTriz and I are going into a 3-year contract for my signature space. The terms are as follows:

- - I will post anywhere from 30 to 100 posts monthly on bitcointalk
- - By the end of the three year term, I will be a Legendary member
- - For the whole term, a signature of his choice will be in my signature space

If any of these terms are not met, aTriz has no obligation to continue payments, and I will refund him the total paid amount."


He obviously placed an upper limit of 100 posts per month, NO MORE than 100, to avoid her spamming and watering down his signature campaign.

If alia posts more than 100 per month, she is in violation of her contract, and has to pay back all funds.





Incorrect. The contract does not state that posting over 100 times is a violation. In fact, it would be beneficial for aTriz. If 29 posts have been done by me in any given month, then the "30-100" clause is unfulfilled. If 200 are done, then the "30-100" clause is fulfilled because I will have indeed have posted 30-100 posts, regardless of the excess amount.

Incorrect. it VERY specifically states 30-100.   The limit on the low end is implied as well as the upper end.  It does not state 30 or above, it states 30-100.

Pay him back (if that is what he wants)
jr. member
Activity: 56
Merit: 115
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aTrix is a very astute individual.

Look at his contract:

"aTriz and I are going into a 3-year contract for my signature space. The terms are as follows:

- - I will post anywhere from 30 to 100 posts monthly on bitcointalk
- - By the end of the three year term, I will be a Legendary member
- - For the whole term, a signature of his choice will be in my signature space

If any of these terms are not met, aTriz has no obligation to continue payments, and I will refund him the total paid amount."


He obviously placed an upper limit of 100 posts per month, NO MORE than 100, to avoid her spamming and watering down his signature campaign.

If alia posts more than 100 per month, she is in violation of her contract, and has to pay back all funds.



Incorrect. The contract does not state that posting over 100 times is a violation. In fact, it would be beneficial for aTriz. If 29 posts have been done by me in any given month, then the "30-100" clause is unfulfilled. If 200 are done, then the "30-100" clause is fulfilled because I will have indeed have posted 30-100 posts, regardless of the excess amount.
jr. member
Activity: 56
Merit: 115
Lowest EVER interest lending! (Use escrow always)
How can you trust allie to pay you back 1.1 BTC or the USD equivlant in 3 years if they do not reach legendary? Are you paying her to an escrow address that she does not have access too?

I got all my merit in a month. At the same rate, it would take 9 months to reach 1000 merit.

You will not have anywhere near the same rate due to the dwindling sMerit airdrop and due to your red trust.

People who state the future in absolute terms are usually wrong.
full member
Activity: 378
Merit: 197
aTriz is a very astute individual.

Look at his contract:

"aTriz and I are going into a 3-year contract for my signature space. The terms are as follows:

- - I will post anywhere from 30 to 100 posts monthly on bitcointalk
- - By the end of the three year term, I will be a Legendary member
- - For the whole term, a signature of his choice will be in my signature space

If any of these terms are not met, aTriz has no obligation to continue payments, and I will refund him the total paid amount."


He obviously placed an upper limit of 100 posts per month, NO MORE than 100, to avoid her spamming and watering down his signature campaign.

If alia posts more than 100 per month, she is in violation of her contract, and has to pay back all funds.

legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
How can you trust allie to pay you back 1.1 BTC or the USD equivlant in 3 years if they do not reach legendary? Are you paying her to an escrow address that she does not have access too?

I got all my merit in a month. At the same rate, it would take 9 months to reach 1000 merit.

You will not have anywhere near the same rate due to the dwindling sMerit airdrop and due to your red trust.
jr. member
Activity: 56
Merit: 115
Lowest EVER interest lending! (Use escrow always)
How can you trust allie to pay you back 1.1 BTC or the USD equivlant in 3 years if they do not reach legendary? Are you paying her to an escrow address that she does not have access too?

I got all my merit in a month. At the same rate, it would take 9 months to reach 1000 merit.
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How can you trust allie to pay you back 1.1 BTC or the USD equivlant in 3 years if they do not reach legendary? Are you paying her to an escrow address that she does not have access too?
legendary
Activity: 2772
Merit: 3284
Thanks, I did not realize the private deal was publicly posted Roll Eyes  I'm not quite sure what aTriz meant with his post then?
I mean't is there any way I can escape? Or am stuck to lose 1.1 BTC?

Theoretically, kinda like what marlboroza said, you could send her a signature that exceeds 4000 characters. This would render her unable to wear a signature of your choice, hence applying this clause:
Code:
- - For the whole term, a signature of his choice will be in my signature space

Does it really matter though?

The intent is to get out of the contract due to red trust. There is no such clause in the contract. If aTriz imposes an obviously unfulfillable requirement to circumvent that then it's still the same as saying "I don't want to pay you because you have red trust".

To put it another way - if someone did that for another reason (e.g. don't want to) would that still be ok? Why or why not?

I agree. I would certainly consider it shady if someone were to do that, but it may be a valid way to get out of it depending on contract law.
jr. member
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legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
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Thanks, I did not realize the private deal was publicly posted Roll Eyes  I'm not quite sure what aTriz meant with his post then?
I mean't is there any way I can escape? Or am stuck to lose 1.1 BTC?

Theoretically, kinda like what marlboroza said, you could send her a signature that exceeds 4000 characters. This would render her unable to wear a signature of your choice, hence applying this clause:
Code:
- - For the whole term, a signature of his choice will be in my signature space

Does it really matter though?

The intent is to get out of the contract due to red trust. There is no such clause in the contract. If aTriz imposes an obviously unfulfillable requirement to circumvent that then it's still the same as saying "I don't want to pay you because you have red trust".

To put it another way - if someone did that for another reason (e.g. don't want to) would that still be ok? Why or why not?
legendary
Activity: 2772
Merit: 3284
Thanks, I did not realize the private deal was publicly posted Roll Eyes  I'm not quite sure what aTriz meant with his post then?
I mean't is there any way I can escape? Or am stuck to lose 1.1 BTC?

Theoretically, kinda like what marlboroza said, you could send her a signature that exceeds 4000 characters. This would render her unable to wear a signature of your choice, hence applying this clause:
Code:
- - For the whole term, a signature of his choice will be in my signature space

Maybe something like:

Code:
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[size=12pt][color=red][b]Attention. I am a scammer. Please do not trade with me.[/b][/color][/size]
[size=12pt][color=red][b]Attention. I am a scammer. Please do not trade with me.[/b][/color][/size]
[size=12pt][color=red][b]Attention. I am a scammer. Please do not trade with me.[/b][/color][/size]
[size=12pt][color=red][b]Attention. I am a scammer. Please do not trade with me.[/b][/color][/size]
[size=12pt][color=red][b]Attention. I am a scammer. Please do not trade with me.[/b][/color][/size]
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This thread was the biggest waste of time. Glad it's cleared up that aTriz is innocent.

On another note, what he is paying me for is publicity. Provided I don't meet the criteria listed in the contract, he is to continue payments as stipulated in the contract. If I make 29 or less posts in any given months or if I am not Legendary by the end of the term, he is entitled to a full and complete refund. If I may add, this whole fiasco has given ALU Services more publicity than I think even I could have brought it in the whole 3 year period. Hopefully I'll be tipped for that Roll Eyes
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I would not trust aTriz. I don’t think it is so much about the review as it is about the vouching for the gambling script when it has been shown that he very much knew what he was doing.
I don't know what you are trying to get across.

It was an unpleasant surprise to see someone who appeared to be level headed like aTriz, making the errors of judgement he has made in vouching for a gambling script and pre paying a large signature deal with a newbie, based on a 'contract' apparently scribbled on the back of an envelope.
Looking back at it, the review was probably not the best idea, especially with my limited knowledge of scripts and lack of time. Although, I would still say, the signature deal was a good move IMO, if alia was not negged.

From that posts, I received an offer of sorts from nullius, who I first saw posting and then after stalking his posts, came to find alia (this was when both users were popular) and therefore, It seemed like a good move.

It is disappointing(concerning?) that a 1 month old e-whore account would have gotten a 5 month upfront payment from aTriz on a 3 year contract with a clause stating that red trust doesn't matter. Huh  Maybe it is because I'm not active in the campaign management business but this seems highly irrational to me?  Undecided   I'm curious to hear more from aTriz on this.

I guess I can separate the two as a publicly run signature campaign and a privately run signature campaign, but in either case, why would a private advertising deal on this forum include a clause allowing the user to get red trust and still be paid for advertising?
Honestly was a slip up for me. Never thought she would get red trust and didn't bother to add that into the contract. Probably since I was dealing with mostly trusted people who would never get negged, and just forgot to apply that to her.

Thanks, I did not realize the private deal was publicly posted Roll Eyes  I'm not quite sure what aTriz meant with his post then?
I mean't is there any way I can escape? Or am stuck to lose 1.1 BTC?

The question of negative trust is not addressed in the contact that aTriz agreed to and confirmed. The terms were 30-100 posts/month with alia wearing the signature of aTriz’s choice in exchange for ~$400* per month.
300* Love the slight manipluation of words

For the whole term, a signature of his choice will be in my signature space

He should send (s)cam girl legendary signature, she won't be able to wear it, and I don't see "junior member signature" is mentioned anywhere in contract  Cheesy
Does this mean contract is broken. You should be a lawyer if so!

@OP i am not sure, but maybe aTriz was thinking with his dick  Undecided
Nope. I am a totally different person business from person. Just ask any of the people I've done trades with.*

This rule is interesting:
For the whole term, a signature of his choice will be in my signature space

He should send (s)cam girl legendary signature, she won't be able to wear it, and I don't see "junior member signature" is mentioned anywhere in contract  Cheesy

Or my suggestion. He forces her to wear this signature:

Quote from: Signature
Attention. I am a scammer. Please do not trade with me.
 Grin
I can do this if needed.

As for the gambling vouch, didn't he just say that it worked?
Did he check script for backdoors?
How do script have backdoors? Isn't this just for websites?

I'd be concerned why aTriz rushed to team up with a fraudster like alia that tried to pull the wool over theymos' eyes as well as a documented extortionist like Lauda who has been fired for his behavior, and seemingly has been taking out small loans to establish trust ratings.  Not actions you'd expect to see from an aspiring signature manager.


Are we going to revivie the eXtORtiNiST thread now?

"Small loans for trust"

Open Loan with aTriz (0.5 BTC loaned)
Need 0.35 BTC Loan, payback 14 days max (0.35 BTC loaned)
Need Loan of 0.4 for trading. Payback 1.5 months MAX (0.4 BTC loaned)
Need Loan of 0.25 for trading. Payback 3 weeks MAX (3 day re-payment possible) (0.25 BTC loaned)

All of these loans where done with no collateral and resolved. They aren't small either. Most of these range from 5,000 - 10,000 USD.

If you did a quick search in the lending subforum, you would do this. But once again you rush to conclusions.

I am very sorry aTriz. I acted too fast and thoughtless.
No need to apologize. You raised a great thread for discussion - now it's for me to clear my name.

The three year contract that aTriz entered into gave both parties who are very new to the signature campaign market an undeserved appearance of trustworthiness. If aTriz is entering into three year signature campaign contracts then surely he is sufficiently experienced to manage my campaign (yet of course this ignores the fact that aTriz has virtually no experience in this field, a couple of months worth maybe).
Yes?

In regards to the gambling script, it is clear that aTriz knows there is no way to beat the house in a provably fair casino with a house edge based on his posting history, someone quoted several of his old posts that demonstrate this. He was vouching for something he very well knew was being misrepresented.
No. Those posts are relating to roulette, dice, sport/esport betting, which I have done before, but that doesn't make me a someone knowledgable of scripts.

The contract states 30 to 100 posts per month. Alia has already posted more than 100.
Oh...

Looking at the terms of the contract, I don’t see any reason why aTriz should be able to back out of paying alia.
Other than the amount that was paid upfront, I think the same. Although the input from others is welcome.

The contract also states that all payments will be refunded to aTriz should she fail to reach Legendary member status by the third year. Assuming people wake up and stop handing her free merit (21% of her merit comes from just one user, nullius), I doubt she will be able to meet this requirement.

So nearly 40% of his/her merit comes from TMAN and nullius?  Seems legit.  Roll Eyes
Wow 25% of your merit was earnt in 5 mins and from one guy! Seems legit Roll Eyes

legendary
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nullic said in the other thread that he trusted alia with 0.01 btc to gamble with, and was told that the identity of the site she was playing at is secret and iirc the strategy was specific to the site (even though the identity of the site would be public via the blockchain).
I was editing my post.
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As for the gambling vouch, didn't he just say that it worked?
Did he check script for backdoors?
That would imply that he knows more than what a variable initialization looks like. To my knowledge, he does not.
That wasn't really a question.

Look, I am strongly against people who are selling "winning scripts" or any kind of gambling scripts/bots for several reasons:
1) gambling scripts/bots are available for free, no one needs to buy one
2) winning script/method doesn't exist, people who are selling such methods are selling fog to naive people
3) such scripts/bots usually have something hidden to steal balance

As I already said, he was probably thinking with his lower head and I hope all this will remind him not to vouch for such shady thing again.

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However I remember that she said her ''strategy'' was based on a vulnerability on a particular casino because the casino itself had some sort of script that would let new accounts win at first or something like that. It wasn't really a normal idiotic ''strategy'' at least that's what she said. I personally wouldn't vouch for something like that even if it was legit since it involves some sort of cheating.
You are wrong, she specifically said that script was created for provably fair sites:
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This script is designed for crash sites, and has been backtested against around 2 years worth of data. This script is intended for use on provably fair sites
nullic said in the other thread that he trusted alia with 0.01 btc to gamble with, and was told that the identity of the site she was playing at is secret and iirc the strategy was specific to the site (even though the identity of the site would be public via the blockchain).

My suspicions will strengthen if anyone who gambled with them tells me the name of the gambling site.

I gambled with Alia.  She did not tell me the name of the site, and I didn’t ask.  —  Edit:  I recall her having said explicitly in that thread that she would not reveal the name of the site, in order to prevent her method from becoming “saturated”.  I will look for that post when I have a moment; or somebody else can find it.
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As for the gambling vouch, didn't he just say that it worked?
Did he check script for backdoors?
That would imply that he knows more than what a variable initialization looks like. To my knowledge, he does not.
That wasn't really a question.

Look, I am strongly against people who are selling "winning scripts" or any kind of gambling scripts/bots for several reasons:
1) gambling scripts/bots are available for free, no one needs to buy one
2) winning script/method doesn't exist, people who are selling such methods are selling fog to naive people
3) such scripts/bots usually have something hidden to steal balance

As I already said, he was probably thinking with his lower head and I hope all this will remind him not to vouch for such shady thing again.

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However I remember that she said her ''strategy'' was based on a vulnerability on a particular casino because the casino itself had some sort of script that would let new accounts win at first or something like that. It wasn't really a normal idiotic ''strategy'' at least that's what she said. I personally wouldn't vouch for something like that even if it was legit since it involves some sort of cheating.
You are wrong, she specifically said that script was created for provably fair sites:
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This script is designed for crash sites, and has been backtested against around 2 years worth of data. This script is intended for use on provably fair sites

Oh, I guess she said that about her own personal strategy? I don't remember exactly and I believe the thread is dead. If she said that then it's even worse, to be honest.
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As for the gambling vouch, didn't he just say that it worked?
Did he check script for backdoors?
That would imply that he knows more than what a variable initialization looks like. To my knowledge, he does not.
That wasn't really a question.

Look, I am strongly against people who are selling "winning scripts" or any kind of gambling scripts/bots for several reasons:
1) gambling scripts/bots are available for free, no one needs to buy one
2) winning script/method doesn't exist, people who are selling such methods are selling fog to naive people
3) such scripts/bots usually have something hidden to steal balance

As I already said, he was probably thinking with his lower head and I hope all this will remind him not to vouch for such shady thing again.

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However I remember that she said her ''strategy'' was based on a vulnerability on a particular casino because the casino itself had some sort of script that would let new accounts win at first or something like that. It wasn't really a normal idiotic ''strategy'' at least that's what she said. I personally wouldn't vouch for something like that even if it was legit since it involves some sort of cheating.
You are wrong, For this case and method, she specifically said that script was created for provably fair sites:
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This script is designed for crash sites, and has been backtested against around 2 years worth of data. This script is intended for use on provably fair sites
"Method" you mentioned was posted in other topic.
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