Canelo vs. GGG 2 Discussion Thread, WHO YOU GOT?

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Quote from: Jating on September 16, 2018, 04:43:23 AM

there are talks the boxing might be removed by IOC in Olympics.

They also tried to remove wrestling as an olympic sport although it is not nearly as judging intensive as boxing.

I suspect there are political motivations for it.

The type of personalities associated with boxing and wrestling might be described as representing a "rugged individual" demographic. They're individuals like Conor McGregor who went from being on state welfare to becoming a multi millionaire within 5 years. These are the types of personalities sports like boxing and wrestling produce. The value system of boxing/wrestling is if someone works hard and can outsmart their opponents there is little limit to what they can achieve in life.

All of the perspectives and values I mentioned could clash with modern day political rhetoric. And perhaps that is the real reason behind campaigns to remove sports like boxing and wrestling from the olympics.

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Quote from: Theb on September 16, 2018, 12:43:52 PM

Clearly a robbery and a lot of people in one of the Facebook group I am part of sees it the way I see it, they are saying that it is pure BS that GGG should still be the champion. Harold Lederman even gave majority of the rounds to Golovkin and I am on his side there are many instances where Canelo got shook with the power punches GGG have landed not to mention Golovkin made it look like he is the counter puncher between them. Golovkin clearly didn't deserve his first loss and he didn't deserve to lose his championship belts either.

Golden Boy wanted the Mexican to win at any cost, and you need to remember that yesterday it was the Mexican independence day. Had they awarded the match to GGG, then there would have been riots. Just admit it. Professional boxing is becoming like WWF. The results are known even before the fight starts.

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Quote from: Hydrogen on September 16, 2018, 04:01:04 AM

Quote from: bisdak40 on September 15, 2018, 11:16:36 PM

How can this controversy affect the upcoming Manny vs Money 2?

Boxing is a dying sport. Vladimir Klitschko is making far less today than Mike Tyson made in the 1980s and 1990s without adjusting for decades of inflation. Boxing promoters like Oscar De La Hoya are beginning to creep into mixed martial arts promoting due to the lack of stars in boxing. AFAIK Don King, Bob Arum and other big name historical boxing promoters don't even bother with the sport anymore.

I could easily see Manny vs Money 2 being like another GGG vs Canelo. Vegas judges have robbed Manny in the past vs Timothy Bradley. Vegas also shows a considerable amount of favortism towards Floyd Mayweather whenever he fights.

Floyd versus Manny 2 will be another hyped but boring fight. Why would the fans want to be scammed again? Especially boxing fans who are also fans of the cryptospace. We already have seen too many scams for our trained eyes to see that Floyd Manny 2 as another one hehehehe.

In any case, I won the bet but I am not happy.

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Clearly a flawed match-up for me since the start. I may be wrong here but i think when you are the one depending your belt, your should be at the left side of the banner like this, GGG vs Alvarez. Then why Alvarez vs GGG? Is it that GGG don't have a solid fan base and Canelo is more popular than him?

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Clearly a robbery and a lot of people in one of the Facebook group I am part of sees it the way I see it, they are saying that it is pure BS that GGG should still be the champion. Harold Lederman even gave majority of the rounds to Golovkin and I am on his side there are many instances where Canelo got shook with the power punches GGG have landed not to mention Golovkin made it look like he is the counter puncher between them. Golovkin clearly didn't deserve his first loss and he didn't deserve to lose his championship belts either.

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I thought I'm the one who thinks that its a clear robbery again for Golovkin. But it looks like all boxing fans in this forum sees the same. Well they wanted Golovkin to go stateside, and now when the stage is all set, they steal a win from him. Perhaps another angle is that they don't want Golovkin to hold the records for successful defenses of Miiddleweight belt, hehehe. Congrats to Alvarez but for me Golovkin is the real winner here.

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Quote from: Baofeng on September 16, 2018, 02:44:23 AM

Damn, I lost my bet, actually I was updating this thread with some of the results but I deleted it and waited for the main event. However, I feel always and wasn't able to watch it so I can't comment. I just read some articles that it was a close fight but majority thinks that GGG won the fight. Boxing is pretty f** up now, last week I watched Danny Garcia vs Shawn Porter and I saw the Garcia winning, however judges gave it to Porter to became the new championship, it was like volume punching vs accuracy, I guess the judges saw volumes (with poor %) the clear victor. If there's so much uproar about this fight, I'm sure that Golden Boy is brewing another fight to make more money.

Golovkin was the best boxer out there. But he couldn't win because of two reasons. First of all, he comes from a relatively unknown country, where WBC doesn't have much of a commercial interest. And secondly, today was the Mexican independence day. There was no way the judges were going to award the match to GGG. Even if GGG had knocked down Canelo, he would be having less points on the judges's scorecard.

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Quote from: Hydrogen on September 16, 2018, 04:01:04 AM

Quote from: bisdak40 on September 15, 2018, 11:16:36 PM

How can this controversy affect the upcoming Manny vs Money 2?

Boxing is a dying sport. Vladimir Klitschko is making far less today than Mike Tyson made in the 1980s and 1990s without adjusting for decades of inflation. Boxing promoters like Oscar De La Hoya are beginning to creep into mixed martial arts promoting due to the lack of stars in boxing. AFAIK Don King, Bob Arum and other big name historical boxing promoters don't even bother with the sport anymore.

I don't know if we can call the sports dying, but if everyone is not aware, there are talks the boxing might be removed by IOC in Olympics, the reason - boxing judges are biased or to say the least are being paid. So if this happens, then we might see a declined of the sports. Similar to what we seen today, it looks like something from behind works his magic.

Quote from: Hydrogen on September 16, 2018, 04:01:04 AM

I could easily see Manny vs Money 2 being like another GGG vs Canelo. Vegas judges have robbed Manny in the past vs Timothy Bradley. Vegas also shows a considerable amount of favortism towards Floyd Mayweather whenever he fights.

Floyd is from Las Vegas, so I'm assumed that they love him there and that's why he always wanted to fight in his hometown.

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Quote from: harizen on September 14, 2018, 06:59:03 PM

Who wants to bet against me? 0.05 ETH only just for entertainment purposes.

I will picked Canelo because GGG is the heavy favorites here. I will not request any additional winnings because it's just a low bet amount.

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Congrats for the win bud Grin

, looks like you have connections inside the Golden Boy Promotions.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on September 15, 2018, 11:16:36 PM

How can this controversy affect the upcoming Manny vs Money 2?

Boxing is a dying sport. Vladimir Klitschko is making far less today than Mike Tyson made in the 1980s and 1990s without adjusting for decades of inflation. Boxing promoters like Oscar De La Hoya are beginning to creep into mixed martial arts promoting due to the lack of stars in boxing. AFAIK Don King, Bob Arum and other big name historical boxing promoters don't even bother with the sport anymore.

I could easily see Manny vs Money 2 being like another GGG vs Canelo. Vegas judges have robbed Manny in the past vs Timothy Bradley. Vegas also shows a considerable amount of favortism towards Floyd Mayweather whenever he fights.

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Damn, I lost my bet, actually I was updating this thread with some of the results but I deleted it and waited for the main event. However, I feel always and wasn't able to watch it so I can't comment. I just read some articles that it was a close fight but majority thinks that GGG won the fight. Boxing is pretty f** up now, last week I watched Danny Garcia vs Shawn Porter and I saw the Garcia winning, however judges gave it to Porter to became the new championship, it was like volume punching vs accuracy, I guess the judges saw volumes (with poor %) the clear victor. If there's so much uproar about this fight, I'm sure that Golden Boy is brewing another fight to make more money.

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CBS Sports had GGG winning this by 116-112

https://www.cbssports.com/boxing/news/canelo-vs-ggg-2-results-highlights-alvarez-edges-golovkin-becomes-new-middleweight-champion/

Forbes scored the fight 116-112 in favor of Golovkin

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshkatzowitz/2018/09/15/canelo-alvarez-vs-ggg-ii-live-results-how-to-livestream-odds-purses/#1bc648f5cb27

HBO, BT Sports, and Telegraph UK scored the fight 116-112 in favor of GGG.

https://twitter.com/GarethADaviesDT/status/1041177545666949120
https://twitter.com/GarethADaviesDT/status/1041180747825127424

Now show me a single commentator who scored the fight for Canelo.

Golovkin landed 234 punches, while Canelo landed 203.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 15, 2018, 11:10:09 PM

This is yet another controversial decision from the judges. They awarded the match to Canelo, when it was GGG who was winning. Canelo's shots were not accurate and I am sure that there will be a lot of flak in the social media for this judgement.

This is killing the boxing business. Everything was manipulated. They want Canelo to win the fight pretty badly. That's the advantage of centralized business, they can always do want they want Cheesy

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How can this controversy affect the upcoming Manny vs Money 2?

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This is yet another controversial decision from the judges. They awarded the match to Canelo, when it was GGG who was winning. Canelo's shots were not accurate and I am sure that there will be a lot of flak in the social media for this judgement.

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Quote from: yugyug on September 14, 2018, 10:03:22 PM

Golovkin is more aggressive but Alvarez is much smarter but what i saw with Alvarez that he is getting slower from his previous performance and i am rooted Golovkin for the win, their last match was a controversial and i hope their rematch will truly prevail the real victory.

The added weight may have added problems with Canelo in the beginning because he was a bit slower. Or maybe the steroids allegations is true? You may never know. Well the first match was really controversial but this time, either one of them can be seen as a clear winner. I will also go with Golovkin here, this is his natural weight class and he is the heavier puncher between the two.

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Golovkin is more aggressive but Alvarez is much smarter but what i saw with Alvarez that he is getting slower from his previous performance and i am rooted Golovkin for the win, their last match was a controversial and i hope their rematch will truly prevail the real victory.

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I will picked Canelo because GGG is the heavy favorites here. I will not request any additional winnings because it's just a low bet amount.

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Quote from: thejaytiesto on September 13, 2018, 10:44:07 PM

I didnt rewatch Canelo vs GGG 1 which is how you really see who won in a close match, so in the moment when I saw it I wasn't that shocked that it was a draw. I think people just wanted a winner and a lot of people became pissed off at a draw.. specially GGG fans because they saw his perfect record get an 1 on it.. but would need to rewatch.

This second time I think GGG has made the right adjustments and he will win, will put 100 bucks on it just to spice it up.

I am not a fan of those two boxers but i thought GGG won that first fight since the volume of punches and the hit favors GGG. We have different perspective of the fight and that is just the way i saw it. Hope their second fight won't go the distance so they would not create a problem for the judges.

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I didnt rewatch Canelo vs GGG 1 which is how you really see who won in a close match, so in the moment when I saw it I wasn't that shocked that it was a draw. I think people just wanted a winner and a lot of people became pissed off at a draw.. specially GGG fans because they saw his perfect record get an 1 on it.. but would need to rewatch.

This second time I think GGG has made the right adjustments and he will win, will put 100 bucks on it just to spice it up.

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@krach. I predict Canelo will win by points. He will make small changes from the first fight, having tested Golovkin's chin, and will not be as punchy anymore, I reckon.

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