Can't gambling addiction also be positive?

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I am yet to get a proper argument about any positive effects of gambling. In other words there are none and even though some rare guy might win a jackpot - but it is never a one shot jackpot, it would have taken them a large number of wagers to be finally hitting the jackpot through luck and the cumulative loss might go over the jackpot amount.

So yeah, no positives if you ask me. Keep it limited and you might actually have some fun playing theses games but that is all.

You are yet to get any. That's because there is no good form of addiction that I have seen; every form of addiction is bad, even if it leads someone to winning the jackpot. What they have lost during the point of chasing that jackpot, if put together, might even be larger than what they just won, just as you have pointed out.

People can still play responsibly and still win the jackpot. Getting addicted to gambling and constant playing does not guarantee a big win, so why not limit the way they play on others not to lose more than they could possibly win in their whole life in gambling?

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Addiction is always a bad thing, because it's something the individual doesn't have any control over. Therefore, it's something which is inevitably going to impact his life negatively in other aspects as well, possibly reaching his family, professional career, social network, and also preventing him from accomplishing objectives and dreams.

Every extremes must be avoided in order to have a healthy functional life. Balance is the key, even though it's impossible to remain balanced all the time, without any oscillations.

Anyway, if someone is able to earn money from gambling and have fun from it, it means this person isn't an addicted one. Otherwise, gambling wouldn't be fun, and he would never be able to quit with profit on his pockets.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on July 22, 2024, 09:53:10 AM

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As the title reads, I want us to come to a reasonable conclusion about this addiction of a thing in gambling by arguing it back and forth. Many months ago, I was in an argument with a user about the fact that the addiction to gambling can't only be negative as many people portray it. I relied on the grounds that if some gamblers could regularly earn in sports betting, while others derive fun and take gambling as their hobby, are they not deriving a positive goal there? Is that not a positive addiction?

I further argued that everything mustn't have to be about money to make it positive or negative. Some kinds of gambling and gaming relieve stress in some people and give them the desired happiness. This goes a long way depending on the mindset we played it.

My view was a long epistle that I wouldn't want to bug anyone with even as my external sources confirmed hobby as a good addiction. Regardless, I don't want to limit this to my understanding, I want you guys to share your opinions as well.

Sorry, but addiction to gambling can not and can never be positive in any ways, and this does not matter how much long you argue it, or what points you bring to the table, addiction to gambling is pure sickness and sickness is not a positive thing in the life of anyone.

First and foremost, you have to understand that gambling is never a reliable means of making money, and even for those who gamble for fun, there are other fun activities one can participate in that is way more healthy and benefiting than gambling, and even for free, and a good example is exercising.
Gambling can be fun but can be best done without being addicted to it, addiction to gambling makes one spend unnecessarily, money that should have been used for things more important, is spent just to satisfy the addicted gambler's hunger, this is not a thing to be proud of bud.

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Addiction means someone who is already dependent on something they like so that they cannot ignore a single moment without gambling, meaning addiction is a situation where someone always acts excessively in treating an activity and as we know that everything that is done excessively is certainly not good, especially if we talk about gambling which is a risky activity that can make us lose money even though we are a responsible gambler.

So I think that there is no positive impact in an addiction situation, because it is a situation where gamblers lose more money and time and also experience mental and psychological pressure, meaning I think gambling will only be able to provide a positive side when you are not addicted and gamble just to find entertainment, the benefit is that you can feel entertained when you have boring free time.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on July 22, 2024, 09:58:29 AM

Yes hobbies are like good addiction because the person will like the hobby and like to do it frequently. But it is called hobby because such thing will help his life and health. Something like playing football, going for finishing and the likes. But if that thing is harming the person, it would be seen as addiction. If someone is noticing that he is gambling in a way that it is demanding too much time from him, the person will only notice losses. The more the person is gambling and betting, the more the losses. The people that win from gambling and betting are not doing it frequently and they are not addicted to it.

The point is that we should be able to make the difference between negative effect of anything that has to do with addiction and positive effects of that same thing, the truth is that even when we tend to talk more about the negative effect of gambling addiction there are also positive effects and I believed that is what the op is trying to emphasize on, while others might be affected negatively by addiction some others are benefiting from it, the question is, does gambling addiction have a positive vibes? As for me I will say yes because there are those that drives joy when comes to gambling, such that they have become used to gambling to the extend they gamble or find themselves doing anything that is gambling related just to make themselves happy. Gambling addiction can also have a very bad or negative effects on a gambler when he or she decides to be doing things like, gambling with an amount that he can not afford to lose, borrowing to gamble chasing losses, and so many other things that are being talked about here that are gambling bad habits or irresponsible gambling act.

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Addiction to anything is bad therefore it would have a negative effect, gambling addiction can't be positive due to the downsides of gambling, it comes with frustration, depression and a whole lot of negative feelings, some even have suicidal thoughts.. gambling should be for fun and not anything asides from that, and a lot of people might ask, how about that those people that have won millions with a small amount, isn't that a positive outcome? Things happen like that based on luck

Winning huge amount with smaller amount is not a symptom of gambling addiction in anyway. (It's just the outcome of gambling). For people who think that it could be added to the positivity of gambling addiction--in the life of players who live with it, the money will definitely go down to zero. It'll even add up to the player's depressions, than it may help person get out of addiction.

Addiction pertains on how someone would really be dealing up with something on which they do have that kind of control over their emotions and their mindset on which we know that when it comes to this aspect
then each one of us would really be having that different level of tolerance when it come to risks on which there are those people who could really be able to control and made out the right decision
but majority would really be that ending up on doing the wrong thing and this is why they do really messed up their lives because of it. Any forms of addiction is never been good because
the primary thing that comes up into your mind is to pursue out on the thing that you do have in mind and this is something that should be avoided in the first place.

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Quote from: Jaycoinz on July 25, 2024, 04:39:40 PM

Addiction to anything is bad therefore it would have a negative effect, gambling addiction can't be positive due to the downsides of gambling, it comes with frustration, depression and a whole lot of negative feelings, some even have suicidal thoughts.. gambling should be for fun and not anything asides from that, and a lot of people might ask, how about that those people that have won millions with a small amount, isn't that a positive outcome? Things happen like that based on luck

Winning huge amount with smaller amount is not a symptom of gambling addiction in anyway. (It's just the outcome of gambling). For people who think that it could be added to the positivity of gambling addiction--in the life of players who live with it, the money will definitely go down to zero. It'll even add up to the player's depressions, than it may help person get out of addiction.

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Quote from: Litzki1990 on July 24, 2024, 08:22:29 PM

Being addicted to anything can never be good for anyone. An addicted person can never decide which decision is right for him and which decision is wrong for him. When a person becomes addicted to gambling, he naturally cannot make decisions on his own, rather he will have a problem in his mind about how he will gamble and how he will manage his gambling money. He sees the results of gambling going against him and he is constantly losing money, yet he will only want to gamble. We have to put in enough effort and apply the right strategies to achieve something that will be good for us but it is almost impossible to get good at something by being addicted to it. For new gamblers I would say gamble but have control over gambling.

I think what he mean here is if we can profit at most times for playing gambling like an addict, where we spend most of our time on it. If that was the case, well yeah, I would say that it is a positive kind of addiction. It is like the same as when we are addicted to working on our jobs and we even do long overtimes only to earn more.

We still can be able do the essential things in life like eating and sleeping because how can we able to fulfil this kind of regimen, then if we don't? Also I think we still have our day offs to unwind our selves a bit. Addicted person can decide, and that is they think what they are addicted to is the right thing for them. It applies to both good and bad types of addiction.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on July 22, 2024, 09:53:10 AM

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As the title reads, I want us to come to a reasonable conclusion about this addiction of a thing in gambling by arguing it back and forth. Many months ago, I was in an argument with a user about the fact that the addiction to gambling can't only be negative as many people portray it. I relied on the grounds that if some gamblers could regularly earn in sports betting, while others derive fun and take gambling as their hobby, are they not deriving a positive goal there? Is that not a positive addiction?

I further argued that everything mustn't have to be about money to make it positive or negative. Some kinds of gambling and gaming relieve stress in some people and give them the desired happiness. This goes a long way depending on the mindset we played it.

My view was a long epistle that I wouldn't want to bug anyone with even as my external sources confirmed hobby as a good addiction. Regardless, I don't want to limit this to my understanding, I want you guys to share your opinions as well.

"Oh I'm earning a lot of money from it so it's not so bad" Said by every drug peddler ever.

See the flaw in your concept? Just cause you're earning money on it doesn't make it any better. Even more so if you're addicted on it. Addiction is addiction regardless if you win or lose on it. You earn money yes, but are you still taking a shower, you still eating on time? Have you even bothered to check on your kids these days? Or are you putting too much time and importance over gambling when you shouldn't even put too much attention into it?

Whatever you don't pay with money, you pay with something else more important. Be sensible, cause yes, everybody loves and needs money, but if you're going to throw your life away just so you can earn a couple bucks, with the caveat that you also become addicted to gambling, then you're not really in a better spot as anyone who's losing constantly and is a gambling addict too.

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Quote from: Gheka on July 25, 2024, 08:30:44 AM

There is no nonsense here, there are people who are workaholics to an extreme degree, and just hearing about these people, there is no financial ruin, on the contrary the outcome is very positive as their finances are very good, the only problem is they are limiting most of their leisure time and go out into society.

Being workaholic and not leaning to addiction to work can yield a good result since they can still have control over their activities but workaholic leading to addiction to work may bring a person to a stable finances but their health and social aspects may suffer. All in all a person with an uncontrolled urge to work will ignore their health and eventually fall sick, despite the illness due to the uncontrolled urge, this person will continue to work which can be devastating in the end.

Death/health problem outweighs the financial gain in this scenario of an uncontrolled urge to work because, at the end of the day, these gains will be spent to fix the health problem and will possibly exhaust his wealth if it happens that the illness makes the person incapable to work for a long time. This will possibly end up in financial ruin and possibly worse than that.

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Game addiction also becomes positive on the condition that we have enough skills to upgrade to a professional level and become a consultant, a player, success comes from addiction, it belongs to passion, gambling also has the same positivity but you are right, it needs to be addicted enough and properly

With an uncontrollable urge to vplay games, I doubt the person addicted to game will have time to give service to people. The person will surely spend his time playing games.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on July 22, 2024, 09:53:10 AM

I further argued that everything mustn't have to be about money to make it positive or negative. Some kinds of gambling and gaming relieve stress in some people and give them the desired happiness. This goes a long way depending on the mindset we played it.

My view was a long epistle that I wouldn't want to bug anyone with even as my external sources confirmed hobby as a good addiction. Regardless, I don't want to limit this to my understanding, I want you guys to share your opinions as well.

Yes positivity and negativity of a certain subject matter isn't always about financial relativity, there are good and bad things out there that have got no relationship with finances and it's doesn't change the fact they're bad or good. Hobby and addiction shouldn't even be seen as a good way of pairing words because they sound contradicting and this is because hobby is supposed to be fun and leisure but addiction takes away fun in most cases, it's an extreme version of doing anything of which abuse masy set in when considered in certain cases, so I don't see the word, addiction, positive and hobby as having a perfect relativity such that when they are mentioned they can be perfectly channeled to positivity.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on July 22, 2024, 09:53:10 AM

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As the title reads, I want us to come to a reasonable conclusion about this addiction of a thing in gambling by arguing it back and forth. Many months ago, I was in an argument with a user about the fact that the addiction to gambling can't only be negative as many people portray it. I relied on the grounds that if some gamblers could regularly earn in sports betting, while others derive fun and take gambling as their hobby, are they not deriving a positive goal there? Is that not a positive addiction?

I further argued that everything mustn't have to be about money to make it positive or negative. Some kinds of gambling and gaming relieve stress in some people and give them the desired happiness. This goes a long way depending on the mindset we played it.

My view was a long epistle that I wouldn't want to bug anyone with even as my external sources confirmed hobby as a good addiction. Regardless, I don't want to limit this to my understanding, I want you guys to share your opinions as well.

Addiction to anything is bad therefore it would have a negative effect, gambling addiction can't be positive due to the downsides of gambling, it comes with frustration, depression and a whole lot of negative feelings, some even have suicidal thoughts.. gambling should be for fun and not anything asides from that, and a lot of people might ask, how about that those people that have won millions with a small amount, isn't that a positive outcome? Things happen like that based on luck

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Quote from: EluguHcman on July 25, 2024, 05:04:04 AM

Talking about gambling addiction is an extensiveness by which the gambler has gone chronic in loosing oneself personality and loosing of financial values.
So there is no positive consideration on gambling addicts.

A gambling addict is one who has lost control of himself chasing a particular goal without being able to realize the damages accorded. So if we can talk about regular gambler that is totally different to say if could yield to some positive ness in as much the gambler is in control of himself.

Addiction does make a person lose himself and can destroy himself, because the nature of the addict is very bad, he will be impulsive and excessive in doing anything to fulfill his addiction.

So I quite agree with you that there is nothing positive about talking about addiction, except positive for the casino owner because they will get a decent profit when the addict loses and spend much more money, even enough to eat for a year with one gambling, it becomes positive for the casino. LOL

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on July 22, 2024, 09:53:10 AM

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As the title reads, I want us to come to a reasonable conclusion about this addiction of a thing in gambling by arguing it back and forth. Many months ago, I was in an argument with a user about the fact that the addiction to gambling can't only be negative as many people portray it. I relied on the grounds that if some gamblers could regularly earn in sports betting, while others derive fun and take gambling as their hobby, are they not deriving a positive goal there? Is that not a positive addiction?

I further argued that everything mustn't have to be about money to make it positive or negative. Some kinds of gambling and gaming relieve stress in some people and give them the desired happiness. This goes a long way depending on the mindset we played it.

My view was a long epistle that I wouldn't want to bug anyone with even as my external sources confirmed hobby as a good addiction. Regardless, I don't want to limit this to my understanding, I want you guys to share your opinions as well.

Addiction is an abnormality and a disease so it can never be positive, being addicted to gambling means you have no limits and boundaries to what you are staking,, having a constant winning streak can put you in this trap. People who are constantly in profit for a long time think they can make it a source of income, whenever they need something they run into bet shops or login to casino sites.. Gambling addiction can never be positive because you will lose yourself in the process

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Quote from: sunsilk on July 24, 2024, 04:19:21 PM

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That's right, this means that addiction can have a positive impact depending on the context of what is being discussed, in the sense that if gambling is the object then I think of course there is nothing positive in the addiction situation because after all gambling is an activity that involves money and risk.

But if the object of discussion is other things that fall into the category of good and useful activities without any risk then of course that is another thing that definitely has no risk or significant impact from an addiction situation. But yes overall we all know that addiction is a bad situation, but it also depends on what activity is being talked about.

The point is that if the object of discussion is addiction to gambling activities then of course I think everyone will agree that there is nothing positive that a person can get in the long term.

The overall effect and impression of gambling aren't good.

And we will not see something as this having no risk at all, it always comes with a risk and gamblers know that there's a need to wager with real money for them to gamble.

It's the same with any other vice in that it comes in handy and satisfying when someone does it but they don't see the negative impact of it for themselves at the beginning.

But as soon as someone sees the whole point of it, it can never be something positive.

I would add that the main problem is that there are risks involved as you believe, and there is also no way to guarantee that we will win at the end of the session. There is no certainty in a probability-based activity, everything is nothing more than a chance without any certainty or guarantee.

In fact, it is clear that the risks in gambling can be controlled provided we are able to control and treat gambling according to our abilities, but that doesn't mean I will say that overall gambling is positive, especially in situations of addiction, but that doesn't mean I will blame the casino in this case. because of course what is wrong or what should be blamed is the gamblers themselves who try to treat gambling in a way that is not recommended, because if only all gamblers treated gambling in the right way based on an understanding and neutral point of view regarding what the chances of winning are and the risk of losing then I don't think they will experience any setbacks.

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Dependency is always bad, if only we understand it in the literal sense. If we understand addiction in a figurative sense, then, of course, there may be something useful in it. There are players who are profitable in the long term and they have something like a positive dependence. That is, they have an irresistible craving for the game and they cannot just give it up, but nevertheless it brings them profit. Another thing is that this can be achieved by an extremely small number of players - approximately 1% or even 0.1%. But I believe that all regular players have a slight addiction one way or another, even those who say that they play for fun.

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Addictions can never be a positive thing. They are destructive no matter what. Even being addicted to making money by legal routes will have an impact on their social life and mental well being.

A hobby can be something good and productive and if gambling is kept at that level strictly, then it might have some good impacts, though I have my doubts, but it quickly reaches that point where the person is unable to control it anymore and it becomes an addiction.

Unless the person is quite diligent, they should not attempt to make gambling a hobby.

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I relied on the grounds that if some gamblers could regularly earn in sports betting, while others derive fun and take gambling as their hobby, are they not deriving a positive goal there? Is that not a positive addiction?

The term "positive addiction" sounds like nonsense to me. An addiction can never be positive, because it ruins your financial situation, your social life and even your body and mind. Saying that gambling addiction could be a "positive addiction" is the same as saying that doing cocaine and heroine is good for your health.
What you are describing is moderate gambling, not addiction. Every bad habit(gambling, porn, smoking, drinking alcohol, gaming) is fun, if you do it in a moderate way. The fun goes away the moment you realize, that you are in debt and you can't get out of it.

There is no nonsense here, there are people who are workaholics to an extreme degree, and just hearing about these people, there is no financial ruin, on the contrary the outcome is very positive as their finances are very good, the only problem is they are limiting most of their leisure time and go out into society. Game addiction also becomes positive on the condition that we have enough skills to upgrade to a professional level and become a consultant, a player, success comes from addiction, it belongs to passion, gambling also has the same positivity but you are right, it needs to be addicted enough and properly

This is wrong, do you equate an activity that has certainty and guarantee with gambling? Gosh, I really couldn't or never thought in this direction, I understand that hard work will not prevent results, in the sense that when you dedicate yourself to an activity then of course as time goes by there will be a time for you to be successful in that sense. achieve a better financial situation when you dedicate yourself and work hard in terms of doing work.

But remember that this is gambling, there is no certainty or guarantee of always being able to win regardless of where you bet, there is no consistency in terms of winning, which means that this is why gambling is called an activity that cannot be predicted, and in the long run In the long run you will only lead yourself to bigger disasters, especially experiencing a downturn in your financial situation, meaning how can you possibly achieve success in the long term in a place that depends on your luck? Work is one thing, and gambling is another thing, there is no guarantee of always winning unless you are the owner of one of the running casinos.

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Quote from: Gheka on July 25, 2024, 08:30:44 AM

There is no nonsense here, there are people who are workaholics to an extreme degree, and just hearing about these people, there is no financial ruin, on the contrary the outcome is very positive as their finances are very good, the only problem is they are limiting most of their leisure time and go out into society. Game addiction also becomes positive on the condition that we have enough skills to upgrade to a professional level and become a consultant, a player, success comes from addiction, it belongs to passion, gambling also has the same positivity but you are right, it needs to be addicted enough and properly

Yeah they have a lot money, but they're not really "success".

Success is when you can do anything you want and you don't have to work in order to earn money, they have money, but they trade for their life, how it's "success"?

I don't think people who live in this world only want to work, work and work until they die, do you?

Also don't forget they're high likely get sick since they need to look at the device/computer and sit a whole day.

Quote from: GigaBit on July 25, 2024, 07:27:32 AM

Gambling is suitable for those who think of gambling as fun, but if someone is advised to play without betting, he will never do so. Although gambling is fun but there is no fun without money involved.

It's not even a gambling if it played without money.

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Quote from: davis196 on July 25, 2024, 01:59:28 AM

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I relied on the grounds that if some gamblers could regularly earn in sports betting, while others derive fun and take gambling as their hobby, are they not deriving a positive goal there? Is that not a positive addiction?

The term "positive addiction" sounds like nonsense to me. An addiction can never be positive, because it ruins your financial situation, your social life and even your body and mind. Saying that gambling addiction could be a "positive addiction" is the same as saying that doing cocaine and heroine is good for your health.
What you are describing is moderate gambling, not addiction. Every bad habit(gambling, porn, smoking, drinking alcohol, gaming) is fun, if you do it in a moderate way. The fun goes away the moment you realize, that you are in debt and you can't get out of it.

There is no nonsense here, there are people who are workaholics to an extreme degree, and just hearing about these people, there is no financial ruin, on the contrary the outcome is very positive as their finances are very good, the only problem is they are limiting most of their leisure time and go out into society. Game addiction also becomes positive on the condition that we have enough skills to upgrade to a professional level and become a consultant, a player, success comes from addiction, it belongs to passion, gambling also has the same positivity but you are right, it needs to be addicted enough and properly

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