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Quote from: Sanitough on July 17, 2021, 04:19:21 PM

it's all about the marketing and most boxers seemed to understand that if you trash talk, you will get the attention of the people and they will watch the fight because they are curious. Casimero is not yet a popular fighter, so it could be his way to introduce himself to the public.

Casimero's promoter said this, different from what Casimero said. Grin

https://www.boxingscene.com/casimero-promoter-rigondeaux-tougher-fight-he-beat-donaire--158943

If he wants to get the attention of the people then he should win in a spectacular way by beating opponents by a knockout although he is already done that, he should do this on popular boxers, now he will get people's attention if he can knock out Rigondeaux, who is still a tough opponent even though he is aging, this is a fight that will get him even closer to meeting Inoue.

You are right, he needs to win by spectacular fashion to get a nod from the boxing fans. But Casimero is just breaking on the US soil, mostly his wins is from outside of the US that's why his name doesn't have a ring except maybe for those who have followed his career.

But since he become a world champion, he has been destroying his opponents by KO. And he should done this as well to Rigo to gain some noise and not to trash talk his way in.

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Quote from: TimeTeller on July 17, 2021, 06:49:29 PM

Casimero should train hard for this upcoming fight.
And high likely that if he will beat Rigo, he can easily get the Inoue fight.

Thats right, beating Rigon will give his career a level up to have a much popular and strong opponent like Inoue, this is his chance to prove himself that he is not an ordinary boxer that some people looked down.

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Trash talk is common strategy by boxers to sell their fight but should not hit below the belt because you also need to respect the other boxer.

It can give heat and popularity to their upcoming fight so its not surprising if boxers are trash talking each other, a strategy to attract audience.

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Quote from: Sanitough on July 17, 2021, 04:19:21 PM

it's all about the marketing and most boxers seemed to understand that if you trash talk, you will get the attention of the people and they will watch the fight because they are curious. Casimero is not yet a popular fighter, so it could be his way to introduce himself to the public.

Casimero's promoter said this, different from what Casimero said. Grin

https://www.boxingscene.com/casimero-promoter-rigondeaux-tougher-fight-he-beat-donaire--158943

If he wants to get the attention of the people then he should win in a spectacular way by beating opponents by a knockout although he is already done that, he should do this on popular boxers, now he will get people's attention if he can knock out Rigondeaux, who is still a tough opponent even though he is aging, this is a fight that will get him even closer to meeting Inoue.

Casimero should train hard for this upcoming fight.
And high likely that if he will beat Rigo, he can easily get the Inoue fight.
Casimero is also under Pacquiao's camp, so hopefully, he can learn a thing or two under this camp.
Trash talk is common strategy by boxers to sell their fight but should not hit below the belt because you also need to respect the other boxer.

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I still have that memory of Rigondeaux losing to Lomachecnko he can be out of control and lose focus when he is dominated and cannot hit, this could happen again, against a fighter like Casimero who can frustrate you with his movement and Powershot, and the long inactivity will have a big impact on his performance.

Since he already experiences that kind of feeling, he is fully aware now of what he will do.

I'm with Casimero here, as a countryman but he should treat Rigondeaux as a threat to his legacy.

40 years of age with only 1 loss, that's how that boxer able to maintain his good record over years.

It wouldn't really matter on the age but rather on overall fight count which is 20-1-0 which is really impressive and cant be really reached out by someone easily on the industry.

Even Casimero is experienced on this one in terms of total fight counts but doesn't mean that he would really be precisely winning this one.
He shouldn't really be that too confident.

I don't like on being too tactful before the fight but since its part of the marketing then I do just simply ignore it.

That's right, it's all about the marketing and most boxers seemed to understand that if you trash talk, you will get the attention of the people and they will watch the fight because they are curious. Casimero is not yet a popular fighter, so it could be his way to introduce himself to the public.

Casimero's promoter said this, different from what Casimero said. Grin

https://www.boxingscene.com/casimero-promoter-rigondeaux-tougher-fight-he-beat-donaire--158943

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I still have that memory of Rigondeaux losing to Lomachecnko he can be out of control and lose focus when he is dominated and cannot hit, this could happen again, against a fighter like Casimero who can frustrate you with his movement and Powershot, and the long inactivity will have a big impact on his performance.

Since he already experiences that kind of feeling, he is fully aware now of what he will do.

I'm with Casimero here, as a countryman but he should treat Rigondeaux as a threat to his legacy.

40 years of age with only 1 loss, that's how that boxer able to maintain his good record over years.

It wouldn't really matter on the age but rather on overall fight count which is 20-1-0 which is really impressive and cant be really reached out by someone easily on the industry.

Even Casimero is experienced on this one in terms of total fight counts but doesn't mean that he would really be precisely winning this one.
He shouldn't really be that too confident.

I don't like on being too tactful before the fight but since its part of the marketing then I do just simply ignore it.

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Casimero is my favorite in the coming fight. I like his aggressive style in the ring combined with amazing foot and body work. In the last years Rigondeaux wasn't been very often in the ring, so I think August 14 will be a tough day for him. He is 8 years older than Casimero and this is not give him advantage. Yeah, he is 4" better than Casimero in the reach but this may be contrasted with punches at close range.

The age gap is really huge as only Pacquiao so far has proven the age gap is not an advantage to his opponent. Rigondeaux is older than Casimero, so he has a lot of experience, therefore it's his advantage and Casimero has to read the movement of Rigondeaux effectively in order for him to hit him with some clean shots. Rigondeaux is a type of fighter that moves a lot, you can't hit him if you will just stand and throw some predictable punches.

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Their point is, Casimero might be popular in the Philippines but globally, he's just a medium fry that's why people want him to be humble as he didn't even reach yet a big stardom in his career even he is a titleholder.

And there's a possibility that it would happen Rigondeaux is on a mission to do that, Casinmero should not take Rigondeaux lightly he is facing a two-time world champion who once beat Donaire, if we can see Rigondeaux in his old form, Casimero is in big trouble, I'm betting on Casimero but Rigondeaux is very much capable of putting up a fight and an upset.

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"I’m going to box circles around Casimero and show him what ‘El Chacal’ is all about. My trainer Ronnie Shields, and I have been working on some new tricks, so don’t be surprised if I knock him out.”

casimero is not yet a big star in boxing. so he needs to tame down himself. otherwise, if he will continue to be arrogant, i dont think he will gain loyal followers outside of his country. every boxer should not underestimate their opponent. because he can only taste their power once inside the ring.
but in any case, if casimero emerges as the winner on this match. he may ask for the inoue fight. and maybe earlier than inoue-donaire re-match...

I think he is already a star, the problem is that he is campaigning in the lower weight division which doesn't get the attention like the 147 lbs and up. And then he is also non-American, so he is not yet a household name in the US except maybe for the Filipino community.

He can still gain fans around for his arrogance, until he faces a loss in his career.

I'm not aware that Rigo is training with Ronnie Shields now, another good boxing coach/training.

I believe as well that he's already is a star but I don't if this is his way to sell himself from the crowd or nature to him but most arrogant guys ended up not good. Better to lie low a little and keep that arrogance once he's on the arena already fighting his opponent not when they're not yet starting.

Is it good if he moves to another division after this fight?

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Their point is, Casimero might be popular in the Philippines but globally, he's just a medium fry that's why people want him to be humble as he didn't even reach yet a big stardom in his career even he is a titleholder.

And there's a possibility that it would happen Rigondeaux is on a mission to do that, Casinmero should not take Rigondeaux lightly he is facing a two-time world champion who once beat Donaire, if we can see Rigondeaux in his old form, Casimero is in big trouble, I'm betting on Casimero but Rigondeaux is very much capable of putting up a fight and an upset.

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"I’m going to box circles around Casimero and show him what ‘El Chacal’ is all about. My trainer Ronnie Shields, and I have been working on some new tricks, so don’t be surprised if I knock him out.”

casimero is not yet a big star in boxing. so he needs to tame down himself. otherwise, if he will continue to be arrogant, i dont think he will gain loyal followers outside of his country. every boxer should not underestimate their opponent. because he can only taste their power once inside the ring.
but in any case, if casimero emerges as the winner on this match. he may ask for the inoue fight. and maybe earlier than inoue-donaire re-match...

I think he is already a star, the problem is that he is campaigning in the lower weight division which doesn't get the attention like the 147 lbs and up. And then he is also non-American, so he is not yet a household name in the US except maybe for the Filipino community.

He can still gain fans around for his arrogance, until he faces a loss in his career.

I'm not aware that Rigo is training with Ronnie Shields now, another good boxing coach/training.

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The undercards are now formally announced:

Main Event
Guillermo Rigondeaux vs John Riel Casimero

Undercards
Gary Antonio Russell vs. Emmanuel Rodriguez
Rau'shee Warren vs. Damien Vazquez

These are some of the notable fighters in the bantamweight division that's also worth watching.

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Quote from: agustina2 on July 16, 2021, 05:39:02 PM

Their point is, Casimero might be popular in the Philippines but globally, he's just a medium fry that's why people want him to be humble as he didn't even reach yet a big stardom in his career even he is a titleholder.

And there's a possibility that it would happen Rigondeaux is on a mission to do that, Casinmero should not take Rigondeaux lightly he is facing a two-time world champion who once beat Donaire, if we can see Rigondeaux in his old form, Casimero is in big trouble, I'm betting on Casimero but Rigondeaux is very much capable of putting up a fight and an upset.

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"I’m going to box circles around Casimero and show him what ‘El Chacal’ is all about. My trainer Ronnie Shields, and I have been working on some new tricks, so don’t be surprised if I knock him out.”

casimero is not yet a big star in boxing. so he needs to tame down himself. otherwise, if he will continue to be arrogant, i dont think he will gain loyal followers outside of his country. every boxer should not underestimate their opponent. because he can only taste their power once inside the ring.
but in any case, if casimero emerges as the winner on this match. he may ask for the inoue fight. and maybe earlier than inoue-donaire re-match...

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Quote from: agustina2 on July 16, 2021, 05:39:02 PM

Their point is, Casimero might be popular in the Philippines but globally, he's just a medium fry that's why people want him to be humble as he didn't even reach yet a big stardom in his career even he is a titleholder.

And there's a possibility that it would happen Rigondeaux is on a mission to do that, Casinmero should not take Rigondeaux lightly he is facing a two-time world champion who once beat Donaire, if we can see Rigondeaux in his old form, Casimero is in big trouble, I'm betting on Casimero but Rigondeaux is very much capable of putting up a fight and an upset.

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"I’m going to box circles around Casimero and show him what ‘El Chacal’ is all about. My trainer Ronnie Shields, and I have been working on some new tricks, so don’t be surprised if I knock him out.”

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Quote from: Natalim on July 16, 2021, 11:06:12 AM

He trashed talk anyone, not only Donaire but he still gets the support of Filipino fans.

I think we are reading on a different page. Try to browse some sports groups on Facebook and browse during the time of the controversy between Casimero and Donaire. Casimero is heavily criticized by the commenters and I only saw a few people supporting Casimero.

Their point is, Casimero might be popular in the Philippines but globally, he's just a medium fry that's why people want him to be humble as he didn't even reach yet a big stardom in his career even he is a titleholder.

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I dont see for this to be an eas y fight even Rigondeaux isnt really that aggressive but he wont reach out those stats or numbers for nothing.So he shouldnt really be that too confident.

Casimero always likes to do trashtalking which is not typical for a PH boxer. He already trashtalk Naoya Inoue before even there is still no plan they will be fighting each other someday. He even trashtalk a fellow PH boxer.

According to some close people around Casimero, he is a good and kind person in real life. He just feels that whenever he has an upcoming fight, it won't generate good revenue and PPVs so in return, he is marketing himself by creating sounds thru trashtalk.

He can be a valuable boxer and the community will surely watch him, even globally, just by defeating those big names. No need for trashtalk but if that's his style then we can't do something about it. He just needs to prove it in the actual fight.

I also believe for that reason, it's not necessary their boxing life is the same as their normal life. These guys have a personal life as well and most Filipinos especially coming from poverty are humble. He is named "Angas ng Pinas'... I like the name, at least we have someone who is good and a trash taker as well, it's very rare from Filipino boxers.

Filipino or not then i dont like trashtalking kind of behavior even though its intentional or for the sake of marketing or hyping the fight but it do really looks unpleasant for me.
For some this might really just add up some spice for the upcoming fight but i do much appreciate for those boxers that their own fists would do the talk and that is much
more appreciable compared on doing of lots of talks but i do understand on how this business works.So lets deal with it.

Well, everyone has their own opinion, but these boxers understand that selling the fight is very important and since Casimero doesn't have big fights, so he might think being a trash talker will change that. He trashed talk anyone, not only Donaire but he still gets the support of Filipino fans.

Anyway, Casimero had beaten champions, but Rigo is a big one, he has to win convincingly so he'll gain the popularity that he wants.

Based on the record of all his fights including this fight ( https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/421916), Rigondeaux has the best record.

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Quote from: Mahanton on July 14, 2021, 04:20:13 PM

I dont see for this to be an eas y fight even Rigondeaux isnt really that aggressive but he wont reach out those stats or numbers for nothing.So he shouldnt really be that too confident.

Casimero always likes to do trashtalking which is not typical for a PH boxer. He already trashtalk Naoya Inoue before even there is still no plan they will be fighting each other someday. He even trashtalk a fellow PH boxer.

According to some close people around Casimero, he is a good and kind person in real life. He just feels that whenever he has an upcoming fight, it won't generate good revenue and PPVs so in return, he is marketing himself by creating sounds thru trashtalk.

He can be a valuable boxer and the community will surely watch him, even globally, just by defeating those big names. No need for trashtalk but if that's his style then we can't do something about it. He just needs to prove it in the actual fight.

I also believe for that reason, it's not necessary their boxing life is the same as their normal life. These guys have a personal life as well and most Filipinos especially coming from poverty are humble. He is named "Angas ng Pinas'... I like the name, at least we have someone who is good and a trash taker as well, it's very rare from Filipino boxers.

Filipino or not then i dont like trashtalking kind of behavior even though its intentional or for the sake of marketing or hyping the fight but it do really looks unpleasant for me.
For some this might really just add up some spice for the upcoming fight but i do much appreciate for those boxers that their own fists would do the talk and that is much
more appreciable compared on doing of lots of talks but i do understand on how this business works.So lets deal with it.

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Quote from: Mahanton on July 14, 2021, 04:20:13 PM

I dont see for this to be an eas y fight even Rigondeaux isnt really that aggressive but he wont reach out those stats or numbers for nothing.So he shouldnt really be that too confident.

Casimero always likes to do trashtalking which is not typical for a PH boxer. He already trashtalk Naoya Inoue before even there is still no plan they will be fighting each other someday. He even trashtalk a fellow PH boxer.

According to some close people around Casimero, he is a good and kind person in real life. He just feels that whenever he has an upcoming fight, it won't generate good revenue and PPVs so in return, he is marketing himself by creating sounds thru trashtalk.

He can be a valuable boxer and the community will surely watch him, even globally, just by defeating those big names. No need for trashtalk but if that's his style then we can't do something about it. He just needs to prove it in the actual fight.

I also believe for that reason, it's not necessary their boxing life is the same as their normal life. These guys have a personal life as well and most Filipinos especially coming from poverty are humble. He is named "Angas ng Pinas'... I like the name, at least we have someone who is good and a trash taker as well, it's very rare from Filipino boxers.

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Quote from: Mahanton on July 14, 2021, 04:20:13 PM

I dont see for this to be an eas y fight even Rigondeaux isnt really that aggressive but he wont reach out those stats or numbers for nothing.So he shouldnt really be that too confident.

Casimero always likes to do trashtalking which is not typical for a PH boxer. He already trashtalk Naoya Inoue before even there is still no plan they will be fighting each other someday. He even trashtalk a fellow PH boxer.

According to some close people around Casimero, he is a good and kind person in real life. He just feels that whenever he has an upcoming fight, it won't generate good revenue and PPVs so in return, he is marketing himself by creating sounds thru trashtalk.

He can be a valuable boxer and the community will surely watch him, even globally, just by defeating those big names. No need for trashtalk but if that's his style then we can't do something about it. He just needs to prove it in the actual fight.

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Still the exciting Casimero will be the favorite, and I wanted him to destroy Rigo in this fight. So that there will be no doubt about him facing the winner of Inoue vs Donaire. And it could be inevitable to see Filipinos unifying the belt if Casimero and Donaire wins.

Im rooting for Casimero to win but its not going to be easy I think. Rigondeaux in his previous fights are not an easy opponent showing his strength and his fast move, Casimero need to condition himself and think of strategy to have an edge over Rigon. This is a fair fight and unpredictable.

Rigo is more of a defensive power, and I would say that he is no longer in his prime, he is old already and that might affect his reflex and speed. And Casimero, with his aggressive can land some good punch on Rigo's chin and I wouldn't be surprised if he goes down, or become so defensive that it will be a boring fight or maybe he will quit on his stool just like when he fought Loma.

Age gaps that may slow this fight, if Rigo will continue being defensive and Casimero will just do some jabs

then move back, it's indeed a boring fight. Not unless Casimero will take this one and continuously attacking Rigo putting him to make some open, But who knows, maybe Rigo's camps scout Casimero and now preparing on how to counter every aggressions this young fighter will bring to the ring,.

Casimero is indeed an aggressive boxer while Rigo is not, they both good seriously looking at their stats though Casimero is more young and fast, this is his advantage and he should use this one to counter all the defensive play of Rigo. This might be a boring fight but Casimero will take this seriously for sure, still good to watch next month.

I just hope that once it turn out to be a boring fight, Casimero will still turn on the heat even if he can't hit Rigo because he will become so defensive because he is afraid of Casimero big punch.

Rigo is a Olympian so he is use to this kind of slow and deliberate fight and will just go for the knockout if it presents itself. That's why others see his fight boring. On the contrary, Casimero, we all know how aggressive he is and always looks for a high light knock out. So two contrasting style.

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Quote from: Mahanton on July 14, 2021, 04:20:13 PM

Yeah he's way too aggressive and i bit get irritated for those boxers who do talk much. Easy fight?
https://www.rappler.com/sports/boxing/casimero-sees-easy-fight-vs-rigondeaux-predicts-knockout-victory

I dont see for this to be an eas y fight even Rigondeaux isnt really that aggressive but he wont reach out those stats or numbers for nothing.So he shouldnt really be that too confident.

I also believe it will not be an easy fight for Casimero as Rigondeaux beat Donaire once, therefore we cannot underestimate him. However, I like what Casimero said because he is confident and anyone who backs him to win would be happy with that, and I'm pretty sure, he keeps training hard, so just consider him being aggressive as just his style in trying to sell the fight and intimidate his opponent.

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Still the exciting Casimero will be the favorite, and I wanted him to destroy Rigo in this fight. So that there will be no doubt about him facing the winner of Inoue vs Donaire. And it could be inevitable to see Filipinos unifying the belt if Casimero and Donaire wins.

Im rooting for Casimero to win but its not going to be easy I think. Rigondeaux in his previous fights are not an easy opponent showing his strength and his fast move, Casimero need to condition himself and think of strategy to have an edge over Rigon. This is a fair fight and unpredictable.

Rigo is more of a defensive power, and I would say that he is no longer in his prime, he is old already and that might affect his reflex and speed. And Casimero, with his aggressive can land some good punch on Rigo's chin and I wouldn't be surprised if he goes down, or become so defensive that it will be a boring fight or maybe he will quit on his stool just like when he fought Loma.

Age gaps that may slow this fight, if Rigo will continue being defensive and Casimero will just do some jabs

then move back, it's indeed a boring fight. Not unless Casimero will take this one and continuously attacking Rigo putting him to make some open, But who knows, maybe Rigo's camps scout Casimero and now preparing on how to counter every aggressions this young fighter will bring to the ring,.

Casimero is indeed an aggressive boxer while Rigo is not, they both good seriously looking at their stats though Casimero is more young and fast, this is his advantage and he should use this one to counter all the defensive play of Rigo. This might be a boring fight but Casimero will take this seriously for sure, still good to watch next month.

Yeah he's way too aggressive and i bit get irritated for those boxers who do talk much. Easy fight?
https://www.rappler.com/sports/boxing/casimero-sees-easy-fight-vs-rigondeaux-predicts-knockout-victory

I dont see for this to be an eas y fight even Rigondeaux isnt really that aggressive but he wont reach out those stats or numbers for nothing.So he shouldnt really be that too confident.

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Still the exciting Casimero will be the favorite, and I wanted him to destroy Rigo in this fight. So that there will be no doubt about him facing the winner of Inoue vs Donaire. And it could be inevitable to see Filipinos unifying the belt if Casimero and Donaire wins.

Im rooting for Casimero to win but its not going to be easy I think. Rigondeaux in his previous fights are not an easy opponent showing his strength and his fast move, Casimero need to condition himself and think of strategy to have an edge over Rigon. This is a fair fight and unpredictable.

Rigo is more of a defensive power, and I would say that he is no longer in his prime, he is old already and that might affect his reflex and speed. And Casimero, with his aggressive can land some good punch on Rigo's chin and I wouldn't be surprised if he goes down, or become so defensive that it will be a boring fight or maybe he will quit on his stool just like when he fought Loma.

Age gaps that may slow this fight, if Rigo will continue being defensive and Casimero will just do some jabs

then move back, it's indeed a boring fight. Not unless Casimero will take this one and continuously attacking Rigo putting him to make some open, But who knows, maybe Rigo's camps scout Casimero and now preparing on how to counter every aggressions this young fighter will bring to the ring,.

If he beat Tete who made the same strategy, I guess Casimero can do the same on Rigondeaux. I don't know if Rigondeaux is still fast, but as he is aging now, we should see some decrease in speed and power, and Casimero should take it as his advantage. Casimero knows how to make the right timing, so he'll get this one.

Casimero seemed to be very confident.

https://www.rappler.com/sports/boxing/casimero-sees-easy-fight-vs-rigondeaux-predicts-knockout-victory

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