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Quote from: Zilon on September 20, 2022, 05:42:34 PM

What if prisons were given license to operate a casino will it be safe for inmates . A similar incidence happened between 1932 and 1967 in Nevada State Prison. Despite not having licence to operate the casino existed for over 35 years and ever since then nothing of this kind has ever occurred.

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Throughout its 35 years, various wardens either tolerated the casino or considered it a worthwhile distraction for the inmates. This changed in 1967 when a bill in the State Legislature to prohibit prison gaming was defeated in the Senate. Shortly thereafter, the State Prison Board used its authority to close the casino. The sandstone building which housed the casino was demolished.

It is interesting to note that this casino had no licence and wasn't recognised by the Nevada gaming authorities but the inmates ensured there was no cheating there by creating a self policing system.

If you consider that prisons are meant to be there as a form of punishment, in some cases for extremely sick and serious crimes, then finding new forms of entertainment for prisoners is not exactly going to be on the top of the ideas that the public will support. In fact prisons actually actively try to stamp out the small forms of gambling that prisoners try to get away with because it ends up creating debts and some people create debts they have no intention or even ability to play off. What would prisoners want to do more of after a day of officially sanctioned gambling? Continue it back in the prison block - they have very little else to do to fill their time anyway.

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currently I don't know of any casino that operates in a prison, but from the series and movies and reports that I watch on TV, I see prisoners playing cards and various games and they bet money, I believe that the guards collaborate with the prisoners so that they play and bet money even if it's something that's forbidden in prison, so my idea would be that at least the inmates could gamble by betting something that wasn't money and didn't harm anyone. with that, only prisoners could have fun in prison and they wouldn't be thinking about evil things, of course it's not an easy task to implement this, but for example if prisoners could bet on a coin created in prison that only works in prison and that only the price would change into cash on the day he gets out of prison legally or in case his death was converted into cash for the family then it would already be a benefit system for the inmate, I don't know if this could be done in the future but I think that would be something beneficial and useful for the prisoner

Quote from: acroman08 on September 21, 2022, 11:52:43 AM

probably not, I can already see an increase in gambling addiction inside the prison if they ever implemented it.

Addicts are everywhere, so I don't believe this would cause the number of addicts in prison to increase to a frightening level.

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Quote from: Zilon on September 20, 2022, 05:42:34 PM

What if prisons were given license to operate a casino will it be safe for inmates .

probably not, I can already see an increase in gambling addiction inside the prison if they ever implemented it. also, as far as I know, inmates are not allowed to have cash inside the prison. to be honest I think the only reason why there was a casino inside the Nevada prison is due to corruption among the prison guards and whoever managed that prison.

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Quote from: Zilon on September 20, 2022, 05:42:34 PM

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It is interesting to note that this casino had no licence and wasn't recognised by the Nevada gaming authorities but the inmates ensured there was no cheating there by creating a self policing system.

This is crazy, even the warden was on the payroll, there's no cheating when criminals arrange games! And it lasted for 35 years, what a crazy story this is! I am not judging or anything, people there had a lot of free time and they created this, but this is a lonely example, for people who were there in that time prison was an excellent time I guess.

This is the first time I have seen something similar, we should expect some movie from this...

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Quote from: Solosanz on September 21, 2022, 11:11:55 AM

I think sports betting can be found everywhere including an elementary school.

Yeah, as long as there is a sport^(s) where everyone bets, as long as the bettors agreed all the conditions, then it should go. Even it's not about money as long its considered as a bet then it will be.

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Quote from: virasisog on September 21, 2022, 10:42:03 AM

Criminals are supposed to change their lives inside for them to have at least a second chance to live a better life outside but they are even falling for gambling, drugs, and alcohol addiction. The government can't do anything to stop it because there are also officials that are involved in these activities in the name of money.

Depends on the countries, if there's a country allow to gamble, gambling isn't considered as a illegal activity and vice versa. Government can do anything since they have a whole power to control their country, but they want to get money from illegal gambling that's why they just close their eyes.

This was such case in my country in the last few years where casinos, drug laboratory are discovered inside prisons, and probably got destroyed by the past admin. I don't know if it's still there or a new one is made^{(possibility are higher though)} since the current admin is not that inflexible for crimes unlike the past admin.

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Quote from: Doell on September 21, 2022, 09:15:36 AM

For small gambling such as betting on sport events etc, there may still be many operating in prison, because a few years ago my cousin was in prison and told me all of his experiences, and even the prison warden is the intermediary. But for big casinos as far as I know that's not, because my country is very strict in gambling, even not just imprisoned at outside of that no one operates legally and has a license.

So we can assume that the stakes in prisons are still going on even though the people change from time to time. Of course, the involvement of the prison warden in dealing with gambling problems is a thing that is expected because it means the prison warden will get additional money to help inmates who gamble. Maybe as far as we know, there are no big casinos in prisons, but we don't know the truth. And if we see that many casinos are run by people who do illegal activities, likely, the casinos in prisons are also run by them.

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Quote from: Doell on September 21, 2022, 09:15:36 AM

For small gambling such as betting on sport events etc, there may still be many operating in prison, because a few years ago my cousin was in prison and told me all of his experiences

Sports betting is just like a PvP games where it doesn't really need a third party or any tools to play, you only need to make an agreement and watch the sports when it's happen. I think sports betting can be found everywhere including an elementary school.

Quote from: virasisog on September 21, 2022, 10:42:03 AM

Criminals are supposed to change their lives inside for them to have at least a second chance to live a better life outside but they are even falling for gambling, drugs, and alcohol addiction. The government can't do anything to stop it because there are also officials that are involved in these activities in the name of money.

Depends on the countries, if there's a country allow to gamble, gambling isn't considered as a illegal activity and vice versa. Government can do anything since they have a whole power to control their country, but they want to get money from illegal gambling that's why they just close their eyes.

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Quote from: Zilon on September 20, 2022, 05:42:34 PM

What if prisons were given license to operate a casino will it be safe for inmates . A similar incidence happened between 1932 and 1967 in Nevada State Prison. Despite not having licence to operate the casino existed for over 35 years and ever since then nothing of this kind has ever occurred.

This is funny to me but I think it will be entertaining to keep prisoners out of their deep thoughts and depression, however, I doubt if that will be happening in this century, but my questions are:
How did they fund the casinos and where did they get money to bet in the first place, not as if all prisoners were once a cartel who do some drugs and could one way or the other smuggle things inside the prisoners.
what were the prisoner's warders doing while all this was going on? If they are aware and this operation happens in prison for 35 years, they should all serve their jail for compromising the prisons because that's a criminal offense, they didn't say much about that on the website.

These prisoners are also humans irrespective of the crimes that may have gotten them in there. I do believe also that games in these facilities are more for recreational and rehabilitation purposes.
The case of how they get cash for gambling in the prison casino might just be looking too further. It is possible they had other barter and reward systems alongside any little cash that must have been available. Also, I don't think a prison like that was just an ordinary prison, it must have been probably where the worst of the worst were kept and the wardens had little say. With the way it sounds, my concern is the way casino gaming is attributed to a game played only by or meant for delinquents.
If such a casino however, was licensed and had the authority to operate in prisons, it might be too extreme and the purpose of rehabilitation would be skewed.

I understand your point and I'm a human, I have feelings and sympathy too but do you really think some prisoners deserve to see the sun? If one should judge from the crime that sent them to prison, they would have been castrated from the day they sent them to prison instead of giving them some little entertainment. That wouldn't even happen in today's prisons talk more of allowing a specialized currency but it is possible in corrupt states where warders still smuggle in some s**ting stuff for inmates.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on September 21, 2022, 10:08:06 AM

Oh that's normal here in the Philippines.
Illegal drugs in prison, gambling, alcohol, prostitution, you name it. All illegal activities are inside the prison and no one will stop them because they are already in prison. It's the guards that actually make profits out of all this commodities inside the prison.

Is it safe? No. You are playing with criminals. They are supposed to be rehabilitated, that is why they are in there. No pleasure, just strict discipline in their everyday life and paying for the crime they did.

We could even see it in Filipino movies. Criminals who are supposed to suffer and pay for their committed crimes are even enjoying their lives inside the prison. They can still continue their vices including illegal drugs and alcohol. They are even having huge gambling events inside involving big personalities. There are also huge and powerful authorities behind it and they are even tolerating and supporting it.
Criminals are supposed to change their lives inside for them to have at least a second chance to live a better life outside but they are even falling for gambling, drugs, and alcohol addiction. The government can't do anything to stop it because there are also officials that are involved in these activities in the name of money.

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Quote from: Zilon on September 20, 2022, 05:42:34 PM

It is interesting to note that this casino had no licence and wasn't recognised by the Nevada gaming authorities but the inmates ensured there was no cheating there by creating a self policing system.

Over time, the concept of conventional casinos and the people involved in them became much different from the current state of gambling. The level of cheating is rampant and it is clear that the current gambling environment cannot be compared to the current conditions. Imprisoned if someone cheats, the risk of being tortured and not being able to escape is certainly quite threatening. Like it or not, they will play fair.

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Oh that's normal here in the Philippines.
Illegal drugs in prison, gambling, alcohol, prostitution, you name it. All illegal activities are inside the prison and no one will stop them because they are already in prison. It's the guards that actually make profits out of all this commodities inside the prison.

Is it safe? No. You are playing with criminals. They are supposed to be rehabilitated, that is why they are in there. No pleasure, just strict discipline in their everyday life and paying for the crime they did.

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Quote from: Cookdata on September 21, 2022, 09:29:36 AM

This is funny to me but I think it will be entertaining to keep prisoners out of their deep thoughts and depression, however, I doubt if that will be happening in this century, but my questions are:
How did they fund the casinos and where did they get money to bet in the first place

I'm guessing they were offered a way to earn money since I remember visiting a prison back then with some of my friends and the prisoners are making souvenirs and other products. And some of the people guiding us in the prison mentioned whatever sales they get will be distributed equally and goes to their pockets as a way to help their family outside.

Quote from: YOSHIE on September 21, 2022, 08:28:13 AM

The most memorable betting coin for me.

I agree, when I checked the link I didn't expect for them to have their own betting currency and that shows how determined they were to maintain the casino.

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This just goes to show that a group of people dedicated to something that they're doing are better compared to governments that enforce rules on things they don't work closely to Cheesy

While there are a lot of angles on where this prison casinos can go wrong, you can't deny the fact that it thrived and almost no incidents happened during the whole 35 years, just because the inmates want fairness in their own little haven. This could surely be a good pastime to them, but can also be a source of rifts between groups of inmates that may cause lots of problems down the line. But if this is closely regulated and the wardens/prison watchers are really trying to help the inmates, I think it could be good for the prisoners to not think of anything other than playing with other inmates and lessen the incidents inside the prison.

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Quote from: Cookdata on September 21, 2022, 09:29:36 AM

Quote from: Zilon on September 20, 2022, 05:42:34 PM

What if prisons were given license to operate a casino will it be safe for inmates . A similar incidence happened between 1932 and 1967 in Nevada State Prison. Despite not having licence to operate the casino existed for over 35 years and ever since then nothing of this kind has ever occurred.

This is funny to me but I think it will be entertaining to keep prisoners out of their deep thoughts and depression, however, I doubt if that will be happening in this century, but my questions are:
How did they fund the casinos and where did they get money to bet in the first place, not as if all prisoners were once a cartel who do some drugs and could one way or the other smuggle things inside the prisoners.
what were the prisoner's warders doing while all this was going on? If they are aware and this operation happens in prison for 35 years, they should all serve their jail for compromising the prisons because that's a criminal offense, they didn't say much about that on the website.

These prisoners are also humans irrespective of the crimes that may have gotten them in there. I do believe also that games in these facilities are more for recreational and rehabilitation purposes.
The case of how they get cash for gambling in the prison casino might just be looking too further. It is possible they had other barter and reward systems alongside any little cash that must have been available. Also, I don't think a prison like that was just an ordinary prison, it must have been probably where the worst of the worst were kept and the wardens had little say. With the way it sounds, my concern is the way casino gaming is attributed to a game played only by or meant for delinquents.
If such a casino however, was licensed and had the authority to operate in prisons, it might be too extreme and the purpose of rehabilitation would be skewed.

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on September 21, 2022, 08:45:15 AM

Maybe we are already familiar, how inmates carry out their activities while in prison. we often see it on tv, whether it's a documentary or anything related to the type of activity in prison, in this discussion about this is a casino in prison. there is nothing we can deny, that gambling activities will always exist everywhere, including in prison institutions. whether it's traditional or like today we can start from a smartphone, however, gambling activities in prisons must be prohibited. especially as exemplified in the OP's thread, that kind of thing is really not good for someone who is serving his sentence.

Penitentiary is an institution to accommodate people who have problems with the law, the task of correctional institutions is not only to hold them in a room or one building for a certain time. however, it is more about making them deterrent and not committing criminal acts again when they are released from prison. if they could do something like the OP's example, either illegal or maybe licensed.

I think, very contrary to the definition of prison.

It could definitely create a new set of problems if all the prisons would start running their own casinos. On a rational level it might work and could give inmates a new motivation to work and behave to get the privileges of gambling. But will this really help them to stay out of prison once their sentence is over? Now I am a bit sceptical, what if an inmate becomes addicted to gambling in prison and will start criminal activities as soon as he is free to finance his addiction? The risk is definitely there to do more harm than good. I remember hearing that more than 35% of prison inmates have substance addiction to either drugs or alcohol. And people who had an additiction in the past are more likely to become addicted to something else. It would be terrible for inmates to jump from one addiction to a gambling addiction. Also some form of gambling takes already place by playing cards in the prison. Poker is a good game that cellmates can play with each other.

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In today's sophisticated era, prisons don't have to bother with facilitating inmates with a casino inside. Now casinos are available on smartphones allowing inmates to find entertainment there.
While some prisons do not allow inmates to have smartphones, a small bribe can save prison guards from having to patrol to check each inmate for smartphone possession. As far as I know there are no longer prisons operating casinos, because it is too risky for riots to occur when inmates keep losing.

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Quote from: Zilon on September 20, 2022, 05:42:34 PM

What if prisons were given license to operate a casino will it be safe for inmates . A similar incidence happened between 1932 and 1967 in Nevada State Prison. Despite not having licence to operate the casino existed for over 35 years and ever since then nothing of this kind has ever occurred.

This is funny to me but I think it will be entertaining to keep prisoners out of their deep thoughts and depression, however, I doubt if that will be happening in this century, but my questions are:
How did they fund the casinos and where did they get money to bet in the first place, not as if all prisoners were once a cartel who do some drugs and could one way or the other smuggle things inside the prisoners.
what were the prisoner's warders doing while all this was going on? If they are aware and this operation happens in prison for 35 years, they should all serve their jail for compromising the prisons because that's a criminal offence, they didn't say much about that on the website.

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When you get sent to prison it's normally for a pretty good reason (unless it's for stuff like marijuana, which is a joke and a whole other story) so I'm not sure they deserve to have these types of luxuries. Not to mention I can see gambling in prison leading to more violence in so many ways. I don't think this is a good idea to allow this, at least not for most inmates.

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For small gambling such as betting on sport events etc, there may still be many operating in prison, because a few years ago my cousin was in prison and told me all of his experiences, and even the prison warden is the intermediary. But for big casinos as far as I know that's not, because my country is very strict in gambling, even not just imprisoned at outside of that no one operates legally and has a license.

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Quote from: Zilon on September 20, 2022, 05:42:34 PM

What if prisons were given license to operate a casino will it be safe for inmates .

Maybe we are already familiar, how inmates carry out their activities while in prison. we often see it on tv, whether it's a documentary or anything related to the type of activity in prison, in this discussion about this is a casino in prison. there is nothing we can deny, that gambling activities will always exist everywhere, including in prison institutions. whether it's traditional or like today we can start from a smartphone, however, gambling activities in prisons must be prohibited. especially as exemplified in the OP's thread, that kind of thing is really not good for someone who is serving his sentence.

Penitentiary is an institution to accommodate people who have problems with the law, the task of correctional institutions is not only to hold them in a room or one building for a certain time. however, it is more about making them deterrent and not committing criminal acts again when they are released from prison. if they could do something like the OP's example, either illegal or maybe licensed.

I think, very contrary to the definition of prison.

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