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Quote from: 20kevin20 on June 18, 2020, 10:51:29 AM

And I was just thinking to ask whether there's a way to find out if these sites operate under the same main owner/business.

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could it still undergo testing if it's all about changing a layout but using the same code?

It's been far too long since I did any HTML, so I'd only be scratching the surface and may not be looking in the right place any way.

Another thing I thought of was the Casino owners might be doing some cyber squatting - seeing which domain names are more popular in different regions and can target their advertising accordingly.

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Quote from: Timelord2067 on June 17, 2020, 08:19:45 PM

It's very easy for websites to have one template and multiple URL points of entry all linking to the one site. The links appear to be different, but they are one and the same site. (for example - some alt coins will link out their block explorers to a third party, but the explorer's links appear as though they are all seamlessly one and the same site).

CSS on different sites can make an identical page look vastly different.

Here in Australia we have two department stores, Target and K-Mart each has different logos, floor layouts and the like, yet they are owned by the same parent company and stock the same items.

I'm wondering if there are "out of the box" site creators for on-line gambling coupled together with one group owning multiple pop-up Casinos, or even alt coin exchanges? (ever notice some alt coins are listed on *just* the same handful of exchanges other altcoins are?)

And I was just thinking to ask whether there's a way to find out if these sites operate under the same main owner/business.

There are some shops in Romania that do the same: Altex, Media Galaxy and Flanco - many of our malls include at least 2 of them, if not all, with different price tags.

But SatoshiDice (mentioned by OP) has had a testing phase only a month ago that I participated in too - could it still undergo testing if it's all about changing a layout but using the same code?

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Quote from: Sadlife on June 15, 2020, 06:51:41 AM

Most dice games have identical design and features probably because they use the same platform that only has that kind of free template. I mean, no one wants to create from scratch just to create the same structure as every dice game.
Well for me, it doesn't matter as long as i can bet to my favorite esport and sports team it doesn't really matter.

I noticed this too but it supposed not to be like that, I do noticed that some will still make there gambling platform layout changed later in order to be different and unique completely from the upcoming ones. There are some that have very different site layout as well.

That said, what we should care about is the service rendered, if they have good customers care support, instant payment and non buggy platform, these are the most important part of online gambling sites.

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It's very easy for websites to have one template and multiple URL points of entry all linking to the one site. The links appear to be different, but they are one and the same site. (for example - some alt coins will link out their block explorers to a third party, but the explorer's links appear as though they are all seamlessly one and the same site).

CSS on different sites can make an identical page look vastly different.

Here in Australia we have two department stores, Target and K-Mart each has different logos, floor layouts and the like, yet they are owned by the same parent company and stock the same items.

I'm wondering if there are "out of the box" site creators for on-line gambling coupled together with one group owning multiple pop-up Casinos, or even alt coin exchanges? (ever notice some alt coins are listed on *just* the same handful of exchanges other altcoins are?)

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Quote from: MRKLYE on June 15, 2020, 11:01:13 AM

As a developer myself the more often I can re-use good code the better.

They may have built the original site and licensed the provably fair engine out to other to use.
Might be the same group of guys running it, re-using their code over and over again.

Hard to say, most site operators run anonymously to avoid targeting from law enforcement or bandits.

Is this what they call object-oriented programming? Grin

This explains 1xbet and its gang were easily caught when they reuse the same theme as well.

Reusing the code of course saves time and since its already tested to have been working and safer code, it would make sense to just use it as well. We haven't heard any of them got compromised yet but if they ever will be, it wouldn't be just one but probably all of them too.

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As a developer myself the more often I can re-use good code the better.

They may have built the original site and licensed the provably fair engine out to other to use.
Might be the same group of guys running it, re-using their code over and over again.

Hard to say, most site operators run anonymously to avoid targeting from law enforcement or bandits.

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Quote from: Sadlife on June 15, 2020, 06:51:41 AM

Most dice games have identical design and features probably because they use the same platform that only has that kind of free template. I mean, no one wants to create from scratch just to create the same structure as every dice game.
Well for me, it doesn't matter as long as i can bet to my favorite esport and sports team it doesn't really matter.

Another thing is that probably, they hired the same web developer. That is more likely the reason why these casinos have almost identical page layout. If they don't then there is a possibility that a problem may occur between the Casino owner and the page developer of the casino where the UI is copied from unless the template is free of course.

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Most dice games have identical design and features probably because they use the same platform that only has that kind of free template. I mean, no one wants to create from scratch just to create the same structure as every dice game.
Well for me, it doesn't matter as long as i can bet to my favorite esport and sports team it doesn't really matter.

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Quote from: Lakai01 on June 05, 2020, 09:37:59 AM

You are definitely right, the pages should be based on a similar software, at least in their structure. I just took a rough look at it but the one that stands out most is this one:

In comparison, the Primedice site looks exactly the same:

The structure of the first DIV (the one with the ID "app") is completely identical on both sides.

Also you can suddenly see the dropdown with the languages (and the bad German translation) on mainly new starting casinos. I recently noticed this here at DiceDice.me as well.

If I remember correctly, Primedice and Stake are owned by the same people, so no wonder they have identical parts of websites, it's totally normal. As for new websites cloning the appearance of Stake.com, I don't think it's fair, but the original casino probably cannot do anything about it. It's easy to understand why a no-name website would choose a known design: this would make the website more appealing and easy-to-use for players. And why pay a good designer when you can just still a good design is probably the logic behind it. In my country it's called 'unfair competition' and it's punishable by law, but online crypto casinos are probably not the area in which regulations to shut down 'clone websites' can be enforced.

The user above said it was Eddie who was the first user of stake and then created the vipgame which basically the software they use are the same. I don't know if it was like the whitelabel software which they only paid for the script license to fully own it. But it certainly looks the console.log are similar. I would actually assume they were owned by same person if it weren't for that post and then there is primedice which also has similar div.

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Quote from: Debonaire217 on June 13, 2020, 10:34:17 PM

Perhaps the developers have studied game design specifically for casino platforms as I believe, there are certain looks that could affect a gambler psychologically, I think it is quite effective as they made us feel exciting just upon viewing the site. Though there are some gambling sites that aren't appealing, looks aren't always the determinant for a gambling platform to be popular.

In addition, there might be an instance that the developer of those sites you've listed is the same, they just differ in the functionality depending on what the client wants.

One possible thing from the dev why they use almost the same UI in their site is because people will think that the site has the same person who operated the site, and they don't have to worry if they deposit the money. I think the dev want to give convenient to the gambler who comes to their website so they will not feel different than the site they always visit. But those dev needs to think about legality to copy-paste the website if they just do that, and not to buy the material or the content.

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I did not pay much attention to it, after you made this topic start to investigate. And it turns out that it is true of several gambling sites
have similar UI, many possibilities related to this. I can only assume it, because I have not collected it evidence related to UI similarity.
The possibility of gambling sites have the same owners, the possibility of both gambling sites are buying UI from the same developer.
And the last possibility of one of them doing copycat, but it's the smallest possibility. Because of the gambling sites that have been
mentioned are trusted gambling sites.

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Quote from: Debonaire217 on June 13, 2020, 10:34:17 PM

Perhaps the developers have studied game design specifically for casino platforms as I believe, there are certain looks that could affect a gambler psychologically, I think it is quite effective as they made us feel exciting just upon viewing the site. Though there are some gambling sites that aren't appealing, looks aren't always the determinant for a gambling platform to be popular.

In addition, there might be an instance that the developer of those sites you've listed is the same, they just differ in the functionality depending on what the client wants.

They would surely make changes in functionality and in some designs too and its just dumb for them to make use of others designs completely which they would really

need some alteration on some aspect.In other part, theres really indeed possibility that they do have same developer or its just been copied by other devs and as i mentioned earlier

where they do make some changes for them not to completely copy the site. Plagiarism would always have that negative impact.

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Quote from: Lakai01 on June 05, 2020, 09:37:59 AM

You are definitely right, the pages should be based on a similar software, at least in their structure. I just took a rough look at it but the one that stands out most is this one:

In comparison, the Primedice site looks exactly the same:

The structure of the first DIV (the one with the ID "app") is completely identical on both sides.

Also you can suddenly see the dropdown with the languages (and the bad German translation) on mainly new starting casinos. I recently noticed this here at DiceDice.me as well.

If I remember correctly, Primedice and Stake are owned by the same people, so no wonder they have identical parts of websites, it's totally normal. As for new websites cloning the appearance of Stake.com, I don't think it's fair, but the original casino probably cannot do anything about it. It's easy to understand why a no-name website would choose a known design: this would make the website more appealing and easy-to-use for players. And why pay a good designer when you can just still a good design is probably the logic behind it. In my country it's called 'unfair competition' and it's punishable by law, but online crypto casinos are probably not the area in which regulations to shut down 'clone websites' can be enforced.

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Quote from: OmegaStarScream on June 05, 2020, 08:38:47 AM

I've noticed that a lot of casinos look the same (almost identical) and I was wondering why?

To mention a few:

PrimeDice.com
OddEven (found it on epvp)
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Stake.com
Satoshidice.io
Vipgames.io

Do they all run under a white-label partnership? If so, I'd like to know with which company.

Possibly they are, I promoted one gambling site that is in partnership in one gambling site and they do have the same interface, 90% the same they did some tweaking on the site, there's nothing wrong on this as long as both of them are in good reputation among investors but if one happens to have a bad report, it's possible that the other will be included on their report.

It's recommended that gambling site had their own private label or their own license for their design and interface.

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Quote from: swogerino on June 06, 2020, 01:21:23 AM

I think it shows that those copy cats have hired the same developers or even some cheaper ones and told them that we want a website like this one.Probably the cheap developers have copied html code and replaced names and images for the new website.I would listen to Eddie,stay away from these sites and only play in trusted ones.

It's very rampant now, stealing design when they can buy the script software and redesign it, there are new gambling sites which opted to hire developers to copy design because it's much cheaper, but they will soon have an issue, so it's much better to play in gambling sites where all they are using are legal and licensed.

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Perhaps the developers have studied game design specifically for casino platforms as I believe, there are certain looks that could affect a gambler psychologically, I think it is quite effective as they made us feel exciting just upon viewing the site. Though there are some gambling sites that aren't appealing, looks aren't always the determinant for a gambling platform to be popular.

In addition, there might be an instance that the developer of those sites you've listed is the same, they just differ in the functionality depending on what the client wants.

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Quote from: Casdinyard on June 12, 2020, 07:12:18 AM

Damn, I've looked up on their source code via console and it's not just "seemingly similar", but it really is! Those sites already has a lot of users and been promoted around the forum, and it's suspicious that even their scripts are the same. Are there published records that has something to do with why are they the same?

What pages are you talking about exactly? Stake.com and primedice.com? If so, then they belong to the same group, as OmegaStarScream has also noted:

Quote from: OmegaStarScream on June 05, 2020, 09:49:11 AM

I was actually comparing PrimeDice to Oddeven (Light theme) and Stake to SatoshiDice.io, vipgame.io. I'm not surprised about the PD and Stake, because AFAIK, they are maintained by the same group of people.

The fact that pages from the same group of owners look similar or have the same structure is still ok and understandable. Developing pages and games costs a lot of resources and money, so if there is already something within the company that can be reused, there is no reason not to do so. But you should also mark it somehow, so that everyone can see immediately that e.g. stake.com and primedice.com belong to the same group, otherwise this could be very deterrent for new users, as I mentioned before.

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Quote from: Lakai01 on June 06, 2020, 11:57:35 PM

What I find alarming, however, is when new starting casinos simply copy the style sheets and structure of existing casinos, slightly change (eg, only the colors exchange) and so put on the net. This definitely discourages gamblers, as it looks very unprofessional and one could even assume a scam attempt.

Damn, I've looked up on their source code via console and it's not just "seemingly similar", but it really is! Those sites already has a lot of users and been promoted around the forum, and it's suspicious that even their scripts are the same. Are there published records that has something to do with why are they the same?

Quote from: Kong Hey Pakboy on June 06, 2020, 11:28:59 AM

There are many possible reasons why the sites of some cryptocasinos looks identical: ~

Yes, you listed all was right, and if it was proven, this can be a theft and must be investigated so that its users is knowledgeable. Also, isn't suspicious because every project and gambling sites must have different makers and different scripts as well?

I think this isn't just an issue about why they are the same user interface, this is far more alarming than what we've expected.

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Most dice sites pretty much have the same UI because its a basic game and if you tried adding more and more features it would get too complicated and wouldn't be simple anymore. Dice is to crypto gambling like slots are to a casino. They are simple and takes less than a minute to learn how to play. Hence why most casinos use the same UI for dice sites. Just like most slots games look similar in a casino.

If they looked different then people would move on to something else because people are easily confused and rather just gamble with something they find familiar. Now other sites such as the casinos which have a dozen games or so they can easily have a unique UI compared to other sites. More and more of these sites are popping up these days because gamblers eventually get tired of dice and want to try something new.

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Quote from: TalkStar on June 06, 2020, 12:25:54 PM

Basically gamblers don't care about website UI design where their priority is the honest service of that platform. I will not so wonder if we see one owner is running 10 casino together because all they need is just new players and money.

In principle, you're absolutely right, yes. Very few players are interested in the design of the site being appealing and "new", they just want to play.

What I find alarming, however, is when new starting casinos simply copy the style sheets and structure of existing casinos, slightly change (eg, only the colors exchange) and so put on the net. This definitely discourages gamblers, as it looks very unprofessional and one could even assume a scam attempt.

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