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Quote from: rdbase on June 05, 2020, 02:25:37 PM

You do know vipgame is a former player of stake right?

Eddie knows of him and mentions his name on the stream during the races sometimes.
So of course he liked the design of the site and asked alot of questions before starting it mid last year bringing some of stakes customer base along with him with promotions and giveaways. Cheesy

It's interesting to hear that former player is running his own platform now. From my experience i can say that most eCommerce business owners love to put their website design as like as well established platforms like Amazon, Alibaba, Walmart etc. Web designer try to deliver different one but clients always stay stick with his own choice. In some cases developers tell them to change a little bit but most of the time they don't care about copyright issues. As far as i know professional developer's don't like to work with this kinda clients but you will find lots of guys who will deliver the exact same design like other platform.

Basically gamblers don't care about website UI design where their priority is the honest service of that platform. I will not so wonder if we see one owner is running 10 casino together because all they need is just new players and money.

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Quote from: nakamura12 on June 06, 2020, 10:19:41 AM

The reason why some sites look identical is that they copy other site's design and even the UI and change some design to make it a little different from the one they copied it to. Some bought a script that is why it happened many times. In my experience, when I sell some goods my neighbor would also sell some goods.

There are many possible reasons why the sites of some cryptocasinos looks identical:
1. Some of their developers might have created both sites that are identical.
2. They intend to copy the scripts of each other sites.
3. Or the both sites have the same owners.

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The reason why some sites look identical is that they copy other site's design and even the UI and change some design to make it a little different from the one they copied it to. Some bought a script that is why it happened many times. In my experience, when I sell some goods my neighbor would also sell some goods.

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Quote from: OmegaStarScream on June 05, 2020, 09:49:11 AM

I was actually comparing PrimeDice to Oddeven (Light theme) and Stake to SatoshiDice.io, vipgame.io. I'm not surprised about the PD and Stake, because AFAIK, they are maintained by the same group of people

PrimeDice was one the first online cryptocasinos out there, and they only offered dice

Obviously, online gambling is not just about dice, so the next logical step for them was to come up with more games. But since PrimeDice, as the name suggests, is about dice, they launched Stake.com (which, ironically, also has dice). Regarding your question, I think it is just a design approach implicitly accepted and shared in the industry, no matter who used it first and copied it later. I translated for Vipgames.io in the past, and I don't feel like this casino is controlled by the same people running PrimeDice and Stake. They seem to be completely unrelated

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CTRL + U and just copy it to your editor and just focus for HTML and CSS excluding other external links and file locations.

This doesnt really have that legal issues and as said copying a site wont really cost an arm and leg. They differ on outputs or

some files but if you do intently copy its design then you can really do it.

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Quote from: ralle14 on June 06, 2020, 04:44:02 AM

Quote from: Wexnident on June 05, 2020, 09:02:45 PM

Isn't it because most have become used to a certain set of UI in casinos? A very simple example would be how blogs, facebook, twitter, instagram has this kind of "wall" that shows either your post or others. The designs are similar mostly because of reasons based on Ergonomics. If no one knows what Ergonomics is, simply speaking, its how people find placements of UIs efficient, appealing, etc. Idk which one decided to make the first UI design of Casinos, but most probably, it garnered positive results, most people enjoyed it and most people had an easy time following it, hence they just pretty much played around that certain design so that they don't infringe upon any copyright issues. This is just my opinion btw, not really sure if they're under a partnership or not.

Most likely Stake and Primedice were the ones that started it all then the others follow. I doubt each of them are related or involved in some kind of partnership because if they were it would've been mentioned already to remove the doubts from their players.

In addition to those bitcoin casinos, Wolf bet is also similar to Stake the chat box format and placements would quickly remind you of Stake.

its normal for stake and primedice because both are owned by same person but it would be strange to see a similliar ui on other site . seeing simillar ui on other sites wont remind me of other site but first thing come to my mind is that they are scam or fake sites .

better if sites dont copy others because some people will doubt about it or will be uncomfortable to play with it . they can try to be unique on other ways tho ,you know people also like to see unique sites

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Quote from: Wexnident on June 05, 2020, 09:02:45 PM

Isn't it because most have become used to a certain set of UI in casinos? A very simple example would be how blogs, facebook, twitter, instagram has this kind of "wall" that shows either your post or others. The designs are similar mostly because of reasons based on Ergonomics. If no one knows what Ergonomics is, simply speaking, its how people find placements of UIs efficient, appealing, etc. Idk which one decided to make the first UI design of Casinos, but most probably, it garnered positive results, most people enjoyed it and most people had an easy time following it, hence they just pretty much played around that certain design so that they don't infringe upon any copyright issues. This is just my opinion btw, not really sure if they're under a partnership or not.

Most likely Stake and Primedice were the ones that started it all then the others follow. I doubt each of them are related or involved in some kind of partnership because if they were it would've been mentioned already to remove the doubts from their players.

In addition to those bitcoin casinos, Wolf bet is also similar to Stake the chat box format and placements would quickly remind you of Stake.

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I think it shows that those copy cats have hired the same developers or even some cheaper ones and told them that we want a website like this one.Probably the cheap developers have copied html code and replaced names and images for the new website.I would listen to Eddie,stay away from these sites and only play in trusted ones.

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Quote from: maydna on June 05, 2020, 08:43:10 PM

Yes, that is right. But I wonder if there is a license of using the same theme or installation package for the website because if I see on the other materials, each people who buy the license will have the same materials.

The structure of the website (the HTML code) is not subject to copyright, you can open www.google.com and simply copy their page.
But the content of the page (i.e. pictures), is different, they are copy protected. So as long as someone copies Bustadice, changes colors, content and pictures, it's legally okay.

Of course, it is very confusing for the user of the site if pages are too similar. He immediately gets the impression that they are interdependent and come from the same operating team - or worse, that one page was copied from the other and could be a scam. In the worst case, this can even deter users.

For the sake of completeness here is a statement of a lawyer (translated from German):

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The HTML coding created by you is not protected as work in the copyright sense. This is due to the fact that, according to unanimous case law, HTML does not contain an executable sequence of individual instructions, but only serves to make the formatting of the page and the positioning of graphics visible on the Internet.

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Isn't it because most have become used to a certain set of UI in casinos? A very simple example would be how blogs, facebook, twitter, instagram has this kind of "wall" that shows either your post or others. The designs are similar mostly because of reasons based on Ergonomics. If no one knows what Ergonomics is, simply speaking, its how people find placements of UIs efficient, appealing, etc. Idk which one decided to make the first UI design of Casinos, but most probably, it garnered positive results, most people enjoyed it and most people had an easy time following it, hence they just pretty much played around that certain design so that they don't infringe upon any copyright issues. This is just my opinion btw, not really sure if they're under a partnership or not.

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Quote from: Lanatsa on June 05, 2020, 06:34:00 PM

This is free market though yet anything you can copy just like what happened on on bustabit and its hundreds of clones. Grin

Yes, that is right. But I wonder if there is a license of using the same theme or installation package for the website because if I see on the other materials, each people who buy the license will have the same materials. They will free to edit the contents as long as they don't break the agreement. So I think if the website uses almost the same thing as the other website, perhaps, that is just for a media for promoting to attract visitor to visit on their site. The visitor will think that the website has operated by the same people in the group, but the truth is the website have different teams to handle each site.

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Quote from: bitbunnny on June 05, 2020, 06:11:24 PM

Quote from: OmegaStarScream on June 05, 2020, 09:49:11 AM

I was actually comparing PrimeDice to Oddeven (Light theme) and Stake to SatoshiDice.io, vipgame.io. I'm not surprised about the PD and Stake, because AFAIK, they are maintained by the same group of people.

Not probably only maintained but also designed. Probably they've engaged the same developers who dd this very similar design.
I don't know how many good developers there are who can make online casino website but I guess not so many, so it's not that surprising. Maybe they share the same code or something, although from security perspective this is not good.

Agree on what you had said about do share up with the same developer or just simply mimic out other websites specially popular ones and hoping that they might able to pull off some users just because it is
just the same designed with the popular one.This is the thing into my mind in regards to this.

This is free market though yet anything you can copy just like what happened on on bustabit and its hundreds of clones. Grin

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Quote from: OmegaStarScream on June 05, 2020, 09:49:11 AM

I was actually comparing PrimeDice to Oddeven (Light theme) and Stake to SatoshiDice.io, vipgame.io. I'm not surprised about the PD and Stake, because AFAIK, they are maintained by the same group of people.

Not probably only maintained but also designed. Probably they've engaged the same developers who dd this very similar design.
I don't know how many good developers there are who can make online casino website but I guess not so many, so it's not that surprising. Maybe they share the same code or something, although from security perspective this is not good.

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Quote from: 20kevin20 on June 05, 2020, 02:33:49 PM

I'd rather think the owners of these "cloned sites" went to a design team that (in)directly took inspiration from other casinos. It's quite risky to clone a website and launch it as your own. If you take a look at CMC vs CoinGecko for example, it's mostly the same UI too but I don't think I've ever heard of issues Gecko had because of that.

Unique designs cost more AFAIK. My previous attempts to create online shops ended up that way. It's much easier for a web design team to work on something they already partially have in mind rather than thinking it all from zero. The more unique you want it, the more time and resources it takes => the more money you have to pay.

I see your point, but equally you would hope to expect that developers are aiming to make a unique website for the companies brand. Unique designs only really cost more because there's more work going into them, and the design phase can be longer. However, if they are not using preexisting code or a white label software, then the amount of coding will be of similar amounts. The only thing which would contribute substantially would be getting the design phase down, and conveying the wants of the brand to the developers. Of course, this is avoided if the brand behind the site just asks for copy x site.

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Quote from: rdbase on June 05, 2020, 02:25:37 PM

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And if they did end up taking the sites code and redesigning it without stake/primedice's consent then they are breaching any type of licensing agreement they probably have in place to argue of a copyright infringement if their site has any type of success upon launching.

You do know vipgame is a former player of stake right?

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I'd rather think the owners of these "cloned sites" went to a design team that (in)directly took inspiration from other casinos. It's quite risky to clone a website and launch it as your own. If you take a look at CMC vs CoinGecko for example, it's mostly the same UI too but I don't think I've ever heard of issues Gecko had because of that.

Unique designs cost more AFAIK. My previous attempts to create online shops ended up that way. It's much easier for a web design team to work on something they already partially have in mind rather than thinking it all from zero. The more unique you want it, the more time and resources it takes => the more money you have to pay.

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Omegastarscream,
It was mentioned by eddie during one of his livestreams last weekend and I think also briefly during the one before that. Someone asked on the chat what does he think of clone sites of stake from being the first since they used the same outlining interface as primedice. Which was the first dice site that I am aware of in the crypto gambling space.
His responses where that he disliked a couple of them and named them out on the stream and straight out do not trust them as they have accusation against them. And if they did end up taking the sites code and redesigning it without stake/primedice's consent then they are breaching any type of licensing agreement they probably have in place to argue of a copyright infringement if their site has any type of success upon launching.

You do know vipgame is a former player of stake right?

Eddie knows of him and mentions his name on the stream during the races sometimes.
So of course he liked the design of the site and asked alot of questions before starting it mid last year bringing some of stakes customer base along with him with promotions and giveaways. Cheesy

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I was actually comparing PrimeDice to Oddeven (Light theme) and Stake to SatoshiDice.io, vipgame.io. I'm not surprised about the PD and Stake, because AFAIK, they are maintained by the same group of people.

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You are definitely right, the pages should be based on a similar software, at least in their structure. I just took a rough look at it but the one that stands out most is this one:

In comparison, the Primedice site looks exactly the same:

The structure of the first DIV (the one with the ID "app") is completely identical on both sides.

Also you can suddenly see the dropdown with the languages (and the bad German translation) on mainly new starting casinos. I recently noticed this here at DiceDice.me as well.

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I've noticed that a lot of casinos look the same (almost identical) and I was wondering why?

To mention a few:

PrimeDice.com
OddEven (found it on epvp)
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Stake.com
Satoshidice.io
Vipgames.io

Do they all run under a white-label partnership? If so, I'd like to know with which company.

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