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Topic: Causes of Mass shootings, suicides + - Many of them are on psychotropic drugs - page 2. (Read 2518 times)

legendary
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When you're dependent on drugs or staying away from allergens their whole life, if they are somehow without the drugs or get in contact with allergens they may have adverse reactions because their bodies naturally aren't used to them. People are taking away from their natural immune systems. They served people well for years and years and years, but people just want to trust drugs more. 
i think its more an issue of people, as in the general population, being either too ignorant or simply uneducated enough to think for themselves and end up trusting the doctors that prescribe them the drugs, not the drugs themselves. think about it, would you trust your dealer that this new kush is dank as fuck if hes been your supplier for years now? hell I would. analogy aside, there is also the placebo effect, which is far stronger than people give it credit for, and i think it plays a big role in just how effective people perceive these drugs to be when given to them by their trusty doctors in white coats. however, they fail to realize that their doctors just give them drugs to treat the symptoms for several reasons; 1, its easier than treating the cause, and 2, it gets them paid.
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But the thing I never really quite understood, is how the FDA gets to approve these type of drugs if they pose a threat to people's mental health?  I think there would be at least one person in the field of psychology that would be doing a research project on the subject of Zoloft or something like that, and he would then find that the papers released by the FDA doesn't necessarily correlate to actual data with Zoloft... Or that it uses such vague side effect symptoms that it would get away with it.

I guess the main question is, is that if the drug companies would be paying the doctors and other people to start pushing the drugs... How is it possible for the FDA itself to be bought out as well?  Even psych medicine doesn't receive enough profit to pay off EVERYONE.

From the FDA website, they talk about weighing the risks and benefits.

How does FDA decide when a drug is not safe enough to stay on the market?

"A drug is removed from the market when its risks outweigh its benefits. A drug is usually taken off the market because of safety issues with the drug that cannot be corrected, such as when it is discovered that the drug can cause serious side effects that were not known at the time of approval. However, completely removing a unique product from the market could be very dangerous to people who depend on the drug. So, decisions to remove products from the market are made very carefully, especially if people would be in danger without the product."


I would think that the drug companies just hide the risks enough to get approved, but who knows. I personally, would think "suicidal thoughts" would be good enough to not get an anti-depressant approved.

Suicide & Antidepressants

"While antidepressants are designed to decrease the symptoms of depression, they occasionally have the opposite effect and can increase suicidal thoughts and actions.

Patients who take selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) such as Prozac (fluoxetine), Paxil (paroxetine) or Zoloft (sertraline) may experience side effects such as violent behavior, mania or aggression, which can all lead to suicide.

What begins as withdrawing from friends and activities and a loss of interest in work can escalate to harming oneself. In clinical trials and public use, there have been cases where antidepressant users have thought about, attempted or committed suicide."




slightly unrelated, but this cycle has more problems than just sapping away at consumers' pockets; keep in mind that as doctors just prescribe drugs for everything from a cough to a runny nose, over consumption of antibiotics as a whole contributes greatly to the birth of super-microbes that are resistant to antibiotics and other medicines.

This is true also.

Maybe a little slightly more unrelated, but they talk about how our allergies has gone up in the last few decades. I heard someone from Europe was shocked to hear that peanuts and peanut butter is actually banned from public schools due to allergy concerns.

When people are exposed to multiple allergens growing up they may be less likely to have an allergy later on in life. It is beneficial to not be kept in a bubble from diseases and things like that, it helps our immune system grow.   

When you're dependent on drugs or staying away from allergens their whole life, if they are somehow without the drugs or get in contact with allergens they may have adverse reactions because their bodies naturally aren't used to them. People are taking away from their natural immune systems. They served people well for years and years and years, but people just want to trust drugs more. 
legendary
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I believe there is a huge relation to psychotropic drugs and mass shootings, and reason being is because I was put on many of them and hated myself on them so I kept not taking them and had to wait for the next doctors appointment so he could sign me up for me to jam another pill down my throat.  

I was classified "bipolar" but I knew that wasn't true... I just delved into a lot of psychoactive drugs when I was younger and it made me a little crazy.  I think if I hadn't seeked help, I would've probably done something bad to the extent of what these other guys did.

Sorry you went through that.

One of the things they mention in the video about the military is the doctors don't even know how the pills are going to affect you. Everyone reacts differently, and all those horrible side effects they list happen to people or else they wouldn't be listed. I still find it totally bizarre that drugs for depression can cause suicide.

These are drugs that change your brain, that's why the word "psycho" is in the full word. They are literally playing around with people's brains and hoping for the best. You have to imagine some will go wrong, and sadly that means many people have died due to them and that's just the suicides. I believe people have died to them because of the mass shootings but it's a fact that people die because of these drugs, just how many is what's up for debate.

It's just crazy that the FDA approves these drugs when they can't necessarily say that any drug will totally help out a person going through a mental disorder.  I primarily smoked marijuana, which calmed me down and made me feel alright throughout the day, which obviously isn't FDA approved and not legal... that's why I had to stop, because I had to be approved for a background check for my job.

But it just so happened, when I stopped "prescribing myself" my daily doses of pot, my anxiety disorder came back.  So to help combat this, doctors prescribed my Zoloft, which made me feel literally insane; then they prescribed me a whole batch of combination of drugs which made me feel like a zombie... So I just quit taking all of them, and am about to go see the doctor again.  I'm just going to tell them that I've managed my anxiety through mind over matter techniques and to not make me start taking some other drug that's like the other ones I've taken.
in short, those drugs are approved ultimately because there's money going into someone's  pocket somewhere. just look at the broken state of the american pharmaceutical industry, the companies are allowed to do whatever they want with their prices, even if that includes multiplying the cost of a life saving drug 30 fold. the entire political system revolves around money in the states, and that key flaw is driving the nation down.

Right, I believe the doctors are getting kickbacks for pushing drugs. They're worse than drug dealers, when more people die from prescription drugs than illegal ones. The doctors get money for pushing the drugs, and the drug companies get more money and they pay the doctors, and it's an endless circle that relies on one thing, people buying and actually taking the drugs.

I strongly believe if you can get off of drugs, and find a natural way to solve the problem, you'd be much better off.

It's in the doctors/drug companies best interest for you to not have your problem solved, but to rather keep coming back and buying more.
slightly unrelated, but this cycle has more problems than just sapping away at consumers' pockets; keep in mind that as doctors just prescribe drugs for everything from a cough to a runny nose, over consumption of antibiotics as a whole contributes greatly to the birth of super-microbes that are resistant to antibiotics and other medicines.
legendary
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Right, I believe the doctors are getting kickbacks for pushing drugs. They're worse than drug dealers, when more people die from prescription drugs than illegal ones. The doctors get money for pushing the drugs, and the drug companies get more money and they pay the doctors, and it's an endless circle that relies on one thing, people buying and actually taking the drugs.

I strongly believe if you can get off of drugs, and find a natural way to solve the problem, you'd be much better off.

It's in the doctors/drug companies best interest for you to not have your problem solved, but to rather keep coming back and buying more.

But the thing I never really quite understood, is how the FDA gets to approve these type of drugs if they pose a threat to people's mental health?  I think there would be at least one person in the field of psychology that would be doing a research project on the subject of Zoloft or something like that, and he would then find that the papers released by the FDA doesn't necessarily correlate to actual data with Zoloft... Or that it uses such vague side effect symptoms that it would get away with it.

I guess the main question is, is that if the drug companies would be paying the doctors and other people to start pushing the drugs... How is it possible for the FDA itself to be bought out as well?  Even psych medicine doesn't receive enough profit to pay off EVERYONE.
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I believe there is a huge relation to psychotropic drugs and mass shootings, and reason being is because I was put on many of them and hated myself on them so I kept not taking them and had to wait for the next doctors appointment so he could sign me up for me to jam another pill down my throat.  

I was classified "bipolar" but I knew that wasn't true... I just delved into a lot of psychoactive drugs when I was younger and it made me a little crazy.  I think if I hadn't seeked help, I would've probably done something bad to the extent of what these other guys did.

Sorry you went through that.

One of the things they mention in the video about the military is the doctors don't even know how the pills are going to affect you. Everyone reacts differently, and all those horrible side effects they list happen to people or else they wouldn't be listed. I still find it totally bizarre that drugs for depression can cause suicide.

These are drugs that change your brain, that's why the word "psycho" is in the full word. They are literally playing around with people's brains and hoping for the best. You have to imagine some will go wrong, and sadly that means many people have died due to them and that's just the suicides. I believe people have died to them because of the mass shootings but it's a fact that people die because of these drugs, just how many is what's up for debate.

It's just crazy that the FDA approves these drugs when they can't necessarily say that any drug will totally help out a person going through a mental disorder.  I primarily smoked marijuana, which calmed me down and made me feel alright throughout the day, which obviously isn't FDA approved and not legal... that's why I had to stop, because I had to be approved for a background check for my job.

But it just so happened, when I stopped "prescribing myself" my daily doses of pot, my anxiety disorder came back.  So to help combat this, doctors prescribed my Zoloft, which made me feel literally insane; then they prescribed me a whole batch of combination of drugs which made me feel like a zombie... So I just quit taking all of them, and am about to go see the doctor again.  I'm just going to tell them that I've managed my anxiety through mind over matter techniques and to not make me start taking some other drug that's like the other ones I've taken.
in short, those drugs are approved ultimately because there's money going into someone's  pocket somewhere. just look at the broken state of the american pharmaceutical industry, the companies are allowed to do whatever they want with their prices, even if that includes multiplying the cost of a life saving drug 30 fold. the entire political system revolves around money in the states, and that key flaw is driving the nation down.

Right, I believe the doctors are getting kickbacks for pushing drugs. They're worse than drug dealers, when more people die from prescription drugs than illegal ones. The doctors get money for pushing the drugs, and the drug companies get more money and they pay the doctors, and it's an endless circle that relies on one thing, people buying and actually taking the drugs.

I strongly believe if you can get off of drugs, and find a natural way to solve the problem, you'd be much better off.

It's in the doctors/drug companies best interest for you to not have your problem solved, but to rather keep coming back and buying more.
legendary
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See my thread:
 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/subconscious-mind-and-why-politicians-tend-to-be-dumb-1205372

For a little dose of reality.  Sometimes shootings are the proper response.

Why are you such a violent anarchist? It seems like you want as much violence as possible, for whatever reason.  Shootings are never a proper response; because violence will be responded with more violence... you can't fight fire with fire.  In your thread you make it seem that drugs in general open the conscious mind.. whether you believe that, we are talking about pharmaceutical drugs and not psychoactive drugs like LSD or something like that what it seems you may be pointing too.

But seriously, what's with your admiration for violence all the time?
he is very, very edgy.
legendary
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See my thread:
 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/subconscious-mind-and-why-politicians-tend-to-be-dumb-1205372

For a little dose of reality.  Sometimes shootings are the proper response.

Why are you such a violent anarchist? It seems like you want as much violence as possible, for whatever reason.  Shootings are never a proper response; because violence will be responded with more violence... you can't fight fire with fire.  In your thread you make it seem that drugs in general open the conscious mind.. whether you believe that, we are talking about pharmaceutical drugs and not psychoactive drugs like LSD or something like that what it seems you may be pointing too.

But seriously, what's with your admiration for violence all the time?
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See my thread:
 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/subconscious-mind-and-why-politicians-tend-to-be-dumb-1205372

For a little dose of reality.  Sometimes shootings are the proper response.
legendary
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I believe there is a huge relation to psychotropic drugs and mass shootings, and reason being is because I was put on many of them and hated myself on them so I kept not taking them and had to wait for the next doctors appointment so he could sign me up for me to jam another pill down my throat.  

I was classified "bipolar" but I knew that wasn't true... I just delved into a lot of psychoactive drugs when I was younger and it made me a little crazy.  I think if I hadn't seeked help, I would've probably done something bad to the extent of what these other guys did.

Sorry you went through that.

One of the things they mention in the video about the military is the doctors don't even know how the pills are going to affect you. Everyone reacts differently, and all those horrible side effects they list happen to people or else they wouldn't be listed. I still find it totally bizarre that drugs for depression can cause suicide.

These are drugs that change your brain, that's why the word "psycho" is in the full word. They are literally playing around with people's brains and hoping for the best. You have to imagine some will go wrong, and sadly that means many people have died due to them and that's just the suicides. I believe people have died to them because of the mass shootings but it's a fact that people die because of these drugs, just how many is what's up for debate.

It's just crazy that the FDA approves these drugs when they can't necessarily say that any drug will totally help out a person going through a mental disorder.  I primarily smoked marijuana, which calmed me down and made me feel alright throughout the day, which obviously isn't FDA approved and not legal... that's why I had to stop, because I had to be approved for a background check for my job.

But it just so happened, when I stopped "prescribing myself" my daily doses of pot, my anxiety disorder came back.  So to help combat this, doctors prescribed my Zoloft, which made me feel literally insane; then they prescribed me a whole batch of combination of drugs which made me feel like a zombie... So I just quit taking all of them, and am about to go see the doctor again.  I'm just going to tell them that I've managed my anxiety through mind over matter techniques and to not make me start taking some other drug that's like the other ones I've taken.
in short, those drugs are approved ultimately because there's money going into someone's  pocket somewhere. just look at the broken state of the american pharmaceutical industry, the companies are allowed to do whatever they want with their prices, even if that includes multiplying the cost of a life saving drug 30 fold. the entire political system revolves around money in the states, and that key flaw is driving the nation down.
legendary
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I believe there is a huge relation to psychotropic drugs and mass shootings, and reason being is because I was put on many of them and hated myself on them so I kept not taking them and had to wait for the next doctors appointment so he could sign me up for me to jam another pill down my throat. 

I was classified "bipolar" but I knew that wasn't true... I just delved into a lot of psychoactive drugs when I was younger and it made me a little crazy.  I think if I hadn't seeked help, I would've probably done something bad to the extent of what these other guys did.

Sorry you went through that.

One of the things they mention in the video about the military is the doctors don't even know how the pills are going to affect you. Everyone reacts differently, and all those horrible side effects they list happen to people or else they wouldn't be listed. I still find it totally bizarre that drugs for depression can cause suicide.

These are drugs that change your brain, that's why the word "psycho" is in the full word. They are literally playing around with people's brains and hoping for the best. You have to imagine some will go wrong, and sadly that means many people have died due to them and that's just the suicides. I believe people have died to them because of the mass shootings but it's a fact that people die because of these drugs, just how many is what's up for debate.

It's just crazy that the FDA approves these drugs when they can't necessarily say that any drug will totally help out a person going through a mental disorder.  I primarily smoked marijuana, which calmed me down and made me feel alright throughout the day, which obviously isn't FDA approved and not legal... that's why I had to stop, because I had to be approved for a background check for my job.

But it just so happened, when I stopped "prescribing myself" my daily doses of pot, my anxiety disorder came back.  So to help combat this, doctors prescribed my Zoloft, which made me feel literally insane; then they prescribed me a whole batch of combination of drugs which made me feel like a zombie... So I just quit taking all of them, and am about to go see the doctor again.  I'm just going to tell them that I've managed my anxiety through mind over matter techniques and to not make me start taking some other drug that's like the other ones I've taken.
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I believe there is a huge relation to psychotropic drugs and mass shootings, and reason being is because I was put on many of them and hated myself on them so I kept not taking them and had to wait for the next doctors appointment so he could sign me up for me to jam another pill down my throat. 

I was classified "bipolar" but I knew that wasn't true... I just delved into a lot of psychoactive drugs when I was younger and it made me a little crazy.  I think if I hadn't seeked help, I would've probably done something bad to the extent of what these other guys did.

Sorry you went through that.

One of the things they mention in the video about the military is the doctors don't even know how the pills are going to affect you. Everyone reacts differently, and all those horrible side effects they list happen to people or else they wouldn't be listed. I still find it totally bizarre that drugs for depression can cause suicide.

These are drugs that change your brain, that's why the word "psycho" is in the full word. They are literally playing around with people's brains and hoping for the best. You have to imagine some will go wrong, and sadly that means many people have died due to them and that's just the suicides. I believe people have died to them because of the mass shootings but it's a fact that people die because of these drugs, just how many is what's up for debate.
legendary
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I believe there is a huge relation to psychotropic drugs and mass shootings, and reason being is because I was put on many of them and hated myself on them so I kept not taking them and had to wait for the next doctors appointment so he could sign me up for me to jam another pill down my throat. 

I was classified "bipolar" but I knew that wasn't true... I just delved into a lot of psychoactive drugs when I was younger and it made me a little crazy.  I think if I hadn't seeked help, I would've probably done something bad to the extent of what these other guys did.
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I don't think that main cause of shootings and suicides are psychotropic drugs.
In my opinion, most of this people felt unaccepted, rejected by their communities, isolated etc.
Over time they developed feelings of resentment, hatred, anger and some of them become so resentful that they wanted to revenge everyone or kill themselves because they felt they are not worthy to live more.
It's very bad that nobody could help them in time.

If that was the case, then why do we have more shootings today than in the past?

More weapons, weaker and more selfish society and luck of good control and care about such people.

Well I do agree we have a much more selfish society these days. People aren't usually taught morals anymore either. But I honestly don't think it has anything to do with more weapons. As they had plenty of weapons in the past and people didn't use them for no good reason nearly as much back then.
legendary
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I don't think that main cause of shootings and suicides are psychotropic drugs.
In my opinion, most of this people felt unaccepted, rejected by their communities, isolated etc.
Over time they developed feelings of resentment, hatred, anger and some of them become so resentful that they wanted to revenge everyone or kill themselves because they felt they are not worthy to live more.
It's very bad that nobody could help them in time.

If that was the case, then why do we have more shootings today than in the past?

More weapons, weaker and more selfish society and luck of good control and care about such people.
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I don't think that main cause of shootings and suicides are psychotropic drugs.
In my opinion, most of this people felt unaccepted, rejected by their communities, isolated etc.
Over time they developed feelings of resentment, hatred, anger and some of them become so resentful that they wanted to revenge everyone or kill themselves because they felt they are not worthy to live more.
It's very bad that nobody could help them in time.

If that was the case, then why do we have more shootings today than in the past?
legendary
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I don't think that main cause of shootings and suicides are psychotropic drugs.
In my opinion, most of this people felt unaccepted, rejected by their communities, isolated etc.
Over time they developed feelings of resentment, hatred, anger and some of them become so resentful that they wanted to revenge everyone or kill themselves because they felt they are not worthy to live more.
It's very bad that nobody could help them in time.
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Yet another psych drug shooter: Oregon gunman Christopher Mercer was taking five types of medication, likely vaccine-damaged with autism spectrum disorder

"(NaturalNews) New information is now emerging about Christopher Mercer, the now-deceased shooter who recently killed and injured numerous victims at the Oregon community college (Umpqua Community College). While the mainstream media follows the predictable script of blaming guns for the violence, we now know that Mercer was almost certainly damaged by vaccines and medications, altering his mind and leading to the violent behavior that we see so often when psychiatric medications are involved.

We now know that Harper was possibly vaccine-damaged because he suffered from Asperger's syndrome, an autism spectrum disorder. As printed in The New York Times:

[Mercer's mother] opened up about her difficulties raising a son who used to bang his head against the wall, and said that both she and her son struggled with Asperger’s syndrome, an autism spectrum disorder...

In addition to talking about guns, Ms. Harper, 64, was a prolific commenter in online forums dealing with medical issues, frequently answering questions from strangers with a tone of empathy and concern. She expressed having expertise in autism, saying that both she and her son — whom she never identified by name — had Asperger’s syndrome.

Vaccines cause autism in young black men, admitted top CDC scientist
While the entire state-controlled media continue to deny any link between vaccines and autism, a top CDC scientist admitted last year to taking part in a massive science fraud cover-up to destroy evidence in the CDC's possession that linked vaccines to autism in African-American boys.

Christopher Mercer's mother is black and his father is white, making him a mixed race person with susceptibility to precisely the kind of autism risk described by CDC scientist Dr. William Thompson. Most people don't fully realize this because some in the media have gone to extraordinary lengths to try to paint Mercer as "white," even altering photographs of him to change his skin tone to a more whitish hue..."
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Would it be the drugs rhey are on or wouod it be the kids are already messed up.

I know Chantix or whatever its called I was on for a while.  Some of the side effects were change in mood or behavior,  thoughts of suicide, and homicidal tendancies.

So I am sure that if they were all on meds that it may have been a cause or a push or some sort of help to what they did.  I once took ridallin and ill tell ya love it.   Focus and motivated all in one.  Had all my work done in 4 hours instead of 8.  Spent all the rest of the day trying to find something to do.

People obviously go to doctors or psychiatrists because they have issues, but I think people are depending on drugs too much. If you watch the documentary in the first post, it seems that the military is really prescribing way too much for sure. The psychiatrists should be doing checkups to see if there are any psychical causes of the illness first (they don't) before prescribing meds.

People should probably try to eat healthier, and try holistic treatments first, and have counseling sessions if they're having psychological issues, and then if those don't work see about medicating. There just seems to be a jump to prescriptions that happens too quickly these days.
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Would it be the drugs rhey are on or wouod it be the kids are already messed up.

I know Chantix or whatever its called I was on for a while.  Some of the side effects were change in mood or behavior,  thoughts of suicide, and homicidal tendancies.

So I am sure thatbif theybwere all on meds that it may have been a cause or a push or some sort of help to what they did.  I once took ridallin and ill tell ya love it.   Focus and motivated all in one.  Had all my work done in 4 hours instead of 8.  Spent all the rest of the day trying to find something to do.
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I can't fight them personally. But it seems to me that when most of these killings show up, they're on these psychotropic drugs, it's worth looking into prescribing less drugs and seeing if the rage in our population dies down rather than taking the guns of people who pass background checks and do things legally. ...
Because it is about control.

The government is trying to control the population, scaring them saying there's too many shootings so we need to ban guns, so they can control us more when people give them up. However, I think it's sad, that most people are blaming the wrong thing, (the guns) instead of looking at curing the problem in this country.
But if religion is passe as the opiate of the people, what the hell is your problem with opiate being the opiate of the people?

Plus guns make a loud bang.  And those black rifles are scary.  Because they're black.

What's wrong with psychotropic drugs? I thought all the killings listed in the first post was a good start....
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