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Topic: Causes of Mass shootings, suicides + - Many of them are on psychotropic drugs - page 3. (Read 2506 times)

legendary
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I can't fight them personally. But it seems to me that when most of these killings show up, they're on these psychotropic drugs, it's worth looking into prescribing less drugs and seeing if the rage in our population dies down rather than taking the guns of people who pass background checks and do things legally. ...
Because it is about control.

The government is trying to control the population, scaring them saying there's too many shootings so we need to ban guns, so they can control us more when people give them up. However, I think it's sad, that most people are blaming the wrong thing, (the guns) instead of looking at curing the problem in this country.
But if religion is passe as the opiate of the people, what the hell is your problem with opiate being the opiate of the people?

Plus guns make a loud bang.  And those black rifles are scary.  Because they're black.
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I can't fight them personally. But it seems to me that when most of these killings show up, they're on these psychotropic drugs, it's worth looking into prescribing less drugs and seeing if the rage in our population dies down rather than taking the guns of people who pass background checks and do things legally. ...
Because it is about control.

The government is trying to control the population, scaring them saying there's too many shootings so we need to ban guns, so they can control us more when people give them up. However, I think it's sad, that most people are blaming the wrong thing, (the guns) instead of looking at curing the problem in this country.
legendary
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Merit: 1386
I can't fight them personally. But it seems to me that when most of these killings show up, they're on these psychotropic drugs, it's worth looking into prescribing less drugs and seeing if the rage in our population dies down rather than taking the guns of people who pass background checks and do things legally. ...
Because it is about control.
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Yeah, great thread. It's pretty sick that people want to ban guns, but not anti-psychotropic drugs....

Our holistic doctors are dying like crazy, people are blaming vaccines for multiple side effects, even if people don't believe the conspiracy theories about it, the side effects are quit public. Pushing these things on people without really discussing the consequences leads people to start thinking that the doctors are really in it for the money. If they're in it for the money, they're not in it for the patient.

Don't you mean "the client"?

 Cool


Well, yes.

Reminds me of the line from Seinfeld: "I'm a holistic healer. It's a calling, it's a gift. You see, it's in the best interest of the medical profession that you remain sick. You see, that insures good business. You're not a patient. You're a customer."

Just face up to it and say it.  You are fighting the pharmaceutical industries, the insurance companies that skim off the top, the politicians of both parties who are paid off and influenced by the lobbyists, and other financially interested business segments.



I can't fight them personally. But it seems to me that when most of these killings show up, they're on these psychotropic drugs, it's worth looking into prescribing less drugs and seeing if the rage in our population dies down rather than taking the guns of people who pass background checks and do things legally.

People ask why it's getting worse? We're prescribing more and more as a country. Every single one has a side effect of some sort, and then people get prescribed more to counter the side effects which can lead to interaction problems (not to mention the problem of not knowing which medicine is causing the new problems).

The doctors get benefits from the drug companies, and make more by prescribing more. This is not in the best interest of the population.

Death from Prescription Drugs: The New Epidemic Sweeping Across America - From 2011

"Death by medicine is a 21st-century epidemic, and America's "war on drugs" is clearly directed at the wrong enemy!

    Prescription drugs are now killing far more people than illegal drugs, and while most major causes of preventable deaths are declining, those from prescription drug use are increasing, an analysis of recently released data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) by the Los Angeles Times revealed.

    The Times analysis of 2009 death statistics, the most recent available, showed:

        For the first time ever in the US, more people were killed by drugs than motor vehicle accidents
        37,485 people died from drugs, a rate fueled by overdoses on prescription pain and anxiety medications, versus 36,284 from traffic accidents
        Drug fatalities more than doubled among teens and young adults between 2000 and 2008, and more than tripled among people aged 50 to 69

    Again, these drug-induced fatalities are not being driven by illegal street drugs; the analysis found that the most commonly abused prescription drugs like OxyContin, Vicodin, Xanax and Soma now cause more deaths than heroin and cocaine combined..........(continued on page)"
legendary
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Yeah, great thread. It's pretty sick that people want to ban guns, but not anti-psychotropic drugs....

Our holistic doctors are dying like crazy, people are blaming vaccines for multiple side effects, even if people don't believe the conspiracy theories about it, the side effects are quit public. Pushing these things on people without really discussing the consequences leads people to start thinking that the doctors are really in it for the money. If they're in it for the money, they're not in it for the patient.

Don't you mean "the client"?

 Cool


Well, yes.

Reminds me of the line from Seinfeld: "I'm a holistic healer. It's a calling, it's a gift. You see, it's in the best interest of the medical profession that you remain sick. You see, that insures good business. You're not a patient. You're a customer."

Just face up to it and say it.  You are fighting the pharmaceutical industries, the insurance companies that skim off the top, the politicians of both parties who are paid off and influenced by the lobbyists, and other financially interested business segments.

hero member
Activity: 504
Merit: 500

Yeah, great thread. It's pretty sick that people want to ban guns, but not anti-psychotropic drugs....

Our holistic doctors are dying like crazy, people are blaming vaccines for multiple side effects, even if people don't believe the conspiracy theories about it, the side effects are quit public. Pushing these things on people without really discussing the consequences leads people to start thinking that the doctors are really in it for the money. If they're in it for the money, they're not in it for the patient.

Don't you mean "the client"?

 Cool


Well, yes.

Reminds me of the line from Seinfeld: "I'm a holistic healer. It's a calling, it's a gift. You see, it's in the best interest of the medical profession that you remain sick. You see, that insures good business. You're not a patient. You're a customer."
legendary
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minds.com/Wilikon

Yeah, great thread. It's pretty sick that people want to ban guns, but not anti-psychotropic drugs....

Our holistic doctors are dying like crazy, people are blaming vaccines for multiple side effects, even if people don't believe the conspiracy theories about it, the side effects are quit public. Pushing these things on people without really discussing the consequences leads people to start thinking that the doctors are really in it for the money. If they're in it for the money, they're not in it for the patient.

Don't you mean "the client"?

 Cool


hero member
Activity: 504
Merit: 500

Yeah, great thread. It's pretty sick that people want to ban guns, but not anti-psychotropic drugs....

Our holistic doctors are dying like crazy, people are blaming vaccines for multiple side effects, even if people don't believe the conspiracy theories about it, the side effects are quit public. Pushing these things on people without really discussing the consequences leads people to start thinking that the doctors are really in it for the money. If they're in it for the money, they're not in it for the patient.
legendary
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minds.com/Wilikon
hero member
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Watching that video now, thanks.

Also watch this if you can, I have seen it earlier American Addict unveils how America has gone from the land of the free to the land of the addicted

Check the schedule page to see if its available in your time zone.

Edit to add

I have seen that docu the Hidden Enemy, last year or so.
I would hazard a guess it is still going on, even from those days of Vietnam, the soldiers were allowed to get high.

It looks like American Addict is on in about 20 minutes from now. I'll check it out.

Edit: It said it was on, but they played news instead.
legendary
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Soon, I have to go away.
Watching that video now, thanks.

Also watch this if you can, I have seen it earlier American Addict unveils how America has gone from the land of the free to the land of the addicted

Check the schedule page to see if its available in your time zone.

Edit to add

I have seen that docu the Hidden Enemy, last year or so.
I would hazard a guess it is still going on, even from those days of Vietnam, the soldiers were allowed to get high.
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I was just watching this documentary: Psychiatry in the Military: The Hidden Enemy—Full Documentary, and was just frustrated that people just take drugs without really thinking about what's in them and the side effects. Because side effects do kill from time to time.

Why is it whenever someone goes on a shooting rampage people want to ban guns instead of look into the actual causes of the shooting? It's the same for medical practitioners giving meds to get rid of the symptoms but not looking to cure the cause.

Every Mass Shooting Shares One Thing In Common & It’s NOT Weapons

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On to the list of mass shooters and the stark link to psychotropic drugs.

    Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold’s medical records have never been made available to the public.

    Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather’s girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.

    Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.

    Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.

    Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.

    Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.

    Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.

    Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.

    A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.

    Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..

    A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.

    Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.

    TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.

    Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.

    James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.

    Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania

    Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California

    Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.

    Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.

    Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic’s file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.

    Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.

    Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.

    Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.

    Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.

    Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family’s Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.

    Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara’s parents said “…. the damn doctor wouldn’t take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil…”)

    Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002,
    (Gareth’s father could not accept his son’s death and killed himself.)

    Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family’s detached garage.

    Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.

    Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.

    Woody ____, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.

    A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.

    Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and “other drugs for the conditions.”

    Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.

    Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.

    Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.

    Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.

    Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his New York high school.

Missing from list… 3 of 4 known to have taken these same meds….

    What drugs was Jared Lee Loughner on, age 21…… killed 6 people and injuring 14 others in Tuscon, Az
    What drugs was James Eagan Holmes on, age 24….. killed 12 people and injuring 59 others in Aurora Colorado
    What drugs was Jacob Tyler Roberts on, age 22, killed 2 injured 1, Clackamas Or
    What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on, age 20, Killed 26 and wounded 2 in Newtown Ct
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