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Topic: cbitcoin - Bitcoin implementation in C. Currently in development. - page 11. (Read 20296 times)

legendary
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This library aims to have zero dependencies except the standard C library making it small and easily portable. This doesn't mean I will reinvent the wheel in every single case. There are many open source implementations of the things my library will need. I can adapt these tried and tested algorithms to suit the specific needs of this library. In some cases it may be more or less copy and paste and in other cases it may require tweaks or substantial modifications.

At the moment I'm implementing specialist functions that include operations between a bignum and an 8 bit integer. This is for the base-58 encoder/decoder. If anyone knows a better solution to the base-58 stuff, please tell me or feel free to work on it yourself. When I'll be going operations between two bignums it should be simple to derive my code from bignum libraries and then I can derive the cryptography code from open-source libraries such as OpenSSL too.

If he manages to pull this off without a dependency on OpenSSL, his code is going to be able to run on my credit card machines.

Well wouldn't that be interesting. You would need an implementation of standard library features including dynamic memory allocation but I plan absolutely no additional dependencies other than the standard C library. Of-course, feel free to contribute anything, including ideas.

I fully approve of this effort.  Many told me that it was a waste of time to reimplement Bitcoin, but there's no better way to learn everything than to do it yourself.  It's not always pleasant (especially that goddamned endianness!), but it is extraordinarily educational and rewarding by the time you do get it.  I feel like anyone who's going to participate in serious discussions about protocol, client design/features, or contribute to any Bitcoin project at all, should have this kind of experience.

I started about 10 months ago, and did a little bit of documentation as I went.  I expect you'll find this useful Smiley

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/on-the-wire-byte-map-opchecksig-diagram-knowledge-donation-29416

Feel free to PM me if you have any implementation questions.  I've been through just about all of it by now.  Half of it in C++, half in Python...
(though I never bothered with bignum/base58 in C++... I track everything by hash160 values and let Python deal with Base58 using its native bignum capability).

Thanks. I am doing this largely to learn as well as to create something functional. The images you have made a pretty nice. Would I be able to use them in my documentation? I do hope to build a nice documentation for my library.

For the next few days I'll be busy with other things but I'll when I'm back to this library I hope to sort of the base-58 code and also modify the OOP so that the virtual function tables are initialised at compile time which makes more sense.

Looks like your writing this to work on 8-bit CPUs? This may be very useful if you can keep it C-only and 8-bit compatible... Single chip embedded bitcoin client anyone?

The library should be compilable with C compilers providing C99 with the standard library is supported (At least everything the library uses). Perhaps the library will need minor tweaks for compilers that aren't compatible with some features in C99 but that's not going to cause many headaches I sure. The biggest headache would be to implement the standard library features for microcontrollers with no out of the box standard C library support.

But are you saying some 8-bit architectures come with compilers that only allow 8 bit types? That would be pretty rubbish. The compilers should support up-to 64 bit integer types (int64_t). I believe long long types should be at least 64 bits so a compiler that keeps to the C specification properly should support it.

If anyone understands microcontrollers well and can advise on how the library can be designed with microcontroller portability in mind, please share your knowledge.
vip
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It is rarely a good idea to reinvent the wheel, when it comes to security-sensitive, time-tested, well-reviewed-by-experts cryptography code.

This.  Also why is avoiding dependency on OpenSSL important?  Something I am missing?

If you ripped the code from OpenSSL it would work fine.  The devices just don't have gobs of memory for libraries and they have their own compiler that has idiosyncrasies that make it not compile everything that can be compiled in Linux.  Cause it is not Linux.

This would be a 32 bit CPU, no need for 8 bits.
legendary
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Looks like your writing this to work on 8-bit CPUs? This may be very useful if you can keep it C-only and 8-bit compatible... Single chip embedded bitcoin client anyone?
donator
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Gerald Davis
It is rarely a good idea to reinvent the wheel, when it comes to security-sensitive, time-tested, well-reviewed-by-experts cryptography code.

This.  Also why is avoiding dependency on OpenSSL important?  Something I am missing?
legendary
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From the perspective of being educational, I have absolutely no problem with people reimplementing code. They may stumble upon bugs, and even a partial implementation can have niche purposes (for example only the networking code for a crawler, or fast blockchain manipulation code for rescanning addresses).

That said, trying to understand existing code also has great educational value; in particular when you're trying to improve things, because that confronts you with things you thought you understood but didn't. In my opinion, this is a better way for helping the community than by starting from scratch - that just takes longer before it is useful.
legendary
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Why?  Just use OpenSSL for bignum and move on.  People have already written that part.

Bitcoin-specific data structures for storing blocks, transactions, etc. are the fundamental building blocks.

If he manages to pull this off without a dependency on OpenSSL, his code is going to be able to run on my credit card machines.

It is rarely a good idea to reinvent the wheel, when it comes to security-sensitive, time-tested, well-reviewed-by-experts cryptography code.

Once bignum has been reinvented, what about ECDSA and similar gadgetry?

vip
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Why?  Just use OpenSSL for bignum and move on.  People have already written that part.

Bitcoin-specific data structures for storing blocks, transactions, etc. are the fundamental building blocks.

If he manages to pull this off without a dependency on OpenSSL, his code is going to be able to run on my credit card machines.
legendary
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I'm currently looking at the bignum division: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10522379/bignum-division-with-an-unsigned-8-bit-integer-c The current algoritm was rather much a curiosity, only now have I looked for a better algorithm. This will go into the base 58 converter functions which is what I'll be working on (Maybe those can be done differently also?).

Why?  Just use OpenSSL for bignum and move on.  People have already written that part.

Bitcoin-specific data structures for storing blocks, transactions, etc. are the fundamental building blocks.

hero member
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I fully approve of this effort.  Many told me that it was a waste of time to reimplement Bitcoin, but there's no better way to learn everything than to do it yourself.  It's not always pleasant (especially that goddamned endianness!), but it is extraordinarily educational and rewarding by the time you do get it.  I feel like anyone who's going to participate in serious discussions about protocol, client design/features, or contribute to any Bitcoin project at all, should have this kind of experience.

I started about 10 months ago, and did a little bit of documentation as I went.  I expect you'll find this useful Smiley

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/on-the-wire-byte-map-opchecksig-diagram-knowledge-donation-29416

Feel free to PM me if you have any implementation questions.  I've been through just about all of it by now.  Half of it in C++, half in Python...
(though I never bothered with bignum/base58 in C++... I track everything by hash160 values and let Python deal with Base58 using its native bignum capability).
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legendary
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Core Armory Developer
I fully approve of this effort.  Many told me that it was a waste of time to reimplement Bitcoin, but there's no better way to learn everything than to do it yourself.  It's not always pleasant (especially that goddamned endianness!), but it is extraordinarily educational and rewarding by the time you do get it.  I feel like anyone who's going to participate in serious discussions about protocol, client design/features, or contribute to any Bitcoin project at all, should have this kind of experience.

I started about 10 months ago, and did a little bit of documentation as I went.  I expect you'll find this useful Smiley

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/on-the-wire-byte-map-opchecksig-diagram-knowledge-donation-29416

Feel free to PM me if you have any implementation questions.  I've been through just about all of it by now.  Half of it in C++, half in Python...
(though I never bothered with bignum/base58 in C++... I track everything by hash160 values and let Python deal with Base58 using its native bignum capability).
legendary
Activity: 1190
Merit: 1004
The number one reason is that I've never liked C++. I get on with C much better.

C++ programmers can pretty much read and use C code with little problem. C++ code is not so easy for solely C programmers. Not only can the library be used by C programmers, it can be written by C programmers that don't get on with C++.

And implementing OOP features in C is not as hard as it sounds once you know how.

But yes, that's a common question.
legendary
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If you're going to rewrite C++ in C (by building virtual function tables yourself), why not code it in C++ in the first place? If compatibility is a problem, you can always expose a C interface to the code.
hero member
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legendary
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Hello.

I am currently making a bitcoin library named cbitcion. This is a very incomplete library in the early stages of development. The point of the library is to bring powerful bitcoin features directly to the C programming language, with a focus on documentation, portability and powerful features. Hopefully, considering this is C, it should have good performance as well. Perhaps the library could be used or modified for use in embedded device applications.

The library will be low level. It is not intended to be a client library for easy bitcoin functionality. Instead it should give programmers the tools to make bitcoin applications from basic abstraction on the bitcoin protocol. The design of cbitcoin should hopefully allow programmers to make a diverse range of bitcoin applications.

Feedback and contributions are welcome. This is the code: https://github.com/MatthewLM/cbitcoin/

I've given up developing iPhone apps to put a lot of my time towards this, so hopefully it will come along reasonably quickly.

There will be inevitable costs to this project. If anyone would like to help this project financially, donations are very welcome: 1D5A1q5d192j5gYuWiP3CSE5fcaaZxe6E9

Do not hesitate to contact me regarding this project via the email address [email protected]

Thanks!

Matthew M
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