Topic: CCminer(SP-MOD) Modded NVIDIA Maxwell / Pascal kernels. - page 1062. (Read 2347601 times)

True, a coin that is first to use an algorithm needs to have a functioning miner but the coin devs don't
seem very interested in optimized miners. Their fear of ASICs, and to a lesser extent GPUs means
they choose algos that are particularly difficult to optimize, which in turn means only the most talented
coders can implement those optimizations. I'm not suggesting coin devs lead the charge to ASICS but
they should try to keep open source miners at optimum to discourage the development of
private kernels and ASICs which tilt the playing field.

I don't know why a miner fee isn't just used. 1-2% would be perfectly acceptable for all but the scroogest of miners. It keeps the development going and he gets paid for his work. Given how wide spread the miner is, this would be a pretty acceptable amount of income. This has worked for Claymore quite well.

If there is more then one developer working on the miner they can share profits or use whatever model they want to distribute funding. Miners should be seen as a product not a 'donation'. They could even make a company to support this with working developers. Miner fees scale so it's acceptable to everyone mining (except for mega miners, who are reaping most of the profits anyway).

I do agree, there needs to be some background support for the miner developers though to keep them all on the same page and it doesn't turn into the AMD shit show again where everyone gets screwed who doesn't have the money.

They are already doing it, that's how you got: lyra2re, coinshield, yescrypt (Yglobalboost), pluck, ziftr,creditcurrency and others

Many have interpreted this as meaning you will go closed source. To me it looks more like you think
you won't be able to compete with the devs of private kernels in the next round of optimizations for Pascal.
I hope this is just a temporary lack of confidence because your contribution to Maxwell has been
invaluable and would be equally welcomed on Pascal.

The problem with miner development is it's extremely competitive. If I build a better miner it is in
my selfish interest to keep it to myself. I can mine at higher efficiency while facing less competition
from other miners. If I give it away I lose my competitive advantage. If I sell it I still lose my mining
advantage but I can still profit from my work.

Open source miner developers should be commended for their generosity. Not only do they forgo profit
for themselves they make the mining environment better for everyone. Their continued presence also
keeps the closed source devs honest.

An alternative funding scheme I would like to propose is that coin devs and rental services get more involved
in funding open source development. Coin devs would have an interest in keeping the mining environment
for their coin fair. An elitest environment where only those who pay get good mining performance would
be seen as unfair and would discourage many miners. Rental services like Nicehash would also have an
interest in promoting more efficient miners to their users. In both cases there is no incentive to keep better
miners secret.

I would like to give a shout out to chrysophylax who is a coin dev, farm operator and major donator to
open source ccminer. If other coin devs would get similarly involved it might be enough to get some of the
closed source miners opened.

hi all ...

we would like to promote the start of the donation site we are setting up for devs utilizing nicehash as the initial test ( and eventually permanent ) mining site with sp as the initial dev ...

failover to other sites will eventually occur - but for the moment - the US stratum servers are the ones being used for the donation links ...

we have just started a new topic regarding this ...

we will also be updating as much and as best as we can ...

the new topic link is here - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/a-chainworks-industries-cwi-project-donate-by-mining-dbm-1089744 ...

tanx ...

#crysx

pretty useful information 

@sp_ Does this only apply to quark?

edit: TESTED. Compiled from latest git D/L. Noted that the speed difference, if any, is very small & unable to be determined due to quark mining, yaamp pool network speeds. However, the vRam was measurable /w latest code being 4k less than previous. Ran on ASUS GTX750Ti_Df_series 2G /w 6pin connect. My meter is busted so I can't give you any power usage read-outs. Compile size difference; Old: 17985kb New: 17926kb

Let me know when further testing is needed. Please give me link to your quark_yaamp pool address for testing/donation purposes.

Thank You

Just tested it. It shows <= hashrate compares to #52  (gtx750)

submitted a small speedup in quark. Merged 2 kernals.

If we can somehow manage, without the side-line interference, to get back on thread topic...that would be wonderful. Otherwise, there must be another thread to take the conversation concerning open/closed source too. Thanx

Now....sp_...dude, where ya at? Need anything? I'm gettin ready for bed...it's only 2:30am here..so sleep might be in the works. Let me know in the morning.
Later-

just popping to have a read for a FEW MINUTES - and WOW! ...

a lot has been going on ... ...

allow me to clarify something here ... and speaking on my behalf - and the farm ...

it is the mere mention of closed source that sp made earlier that has sparked my response ...

closed source 'usually' means linux lockout ...

most things in linux NEED to be used under one of the licenses - or a derivation of the gpl ...

obviously there are ways around that - but generally - that is what its about ... which is why almost everything in linux IS open sourced ...

that really is one of the points ...

moreso - closed source is against ANY of the reasons we are here in the first place in crypto ...

anyone can argue one point or another but the very basis that all this is built on IS open source ...

i can go on to MANY other points - but it will be useless ...

the devs can do what they want with THEIR code ... i have said this many a time before - have backed it - and always will ...

BUT - i will say this ... we own a farm ... not one nvidia card that is mining ... we own a farm ... and that farm is growing ALL the time ...

does this mean i WANT the farm to be the one that is hammering more than anyone else on a card by card basis with the latest of all optimizations? ... not on your life ...

YES - i do buy some of the kernels and optimized miners ... YES - i believe that these optimizations would do the farm better ... YES - i like to dabble in many things crypto ...

but ...

NO - we do not buy all optimizations out there ... NO - i do not think that its a great idea ... NO - i do not believe it is fair to continue this form of payment ...

i personally have 'purchased' the optimized miners of a few devs that have only ever released windows versions - which we CANNOT use in the farm ... yes - that includes sp ...

why? ... because devs like sp put a shit load of work into the miner / optimizations and that was one way of us helping with the development - especially with the promise that a linux version would be forthcoming ...

but even that was not the main reason i personally am against closed source ...

the reason? ... fairness - openness - and clarity of situation ...

it is EASY for us to buy the latest and most optimized miner ( even thoguh a lot of our btc is in trades - which we can cash out and use of course ) - as it is easy for us to mash the 'small' miner in hashrate by doing so ...

but that is NOT why we started the farm - and NOT why i personally started in crypto ( or continue in crypto for that matter ) ...

i started in crypto for the whole reason i started with linux ...  fairness - openness - and clarity of situation ...

opensource is FAIR ... everyone has access ...

opensource is - well - open ... for all to see - code and all ...

open source is pure clarity of situation ... there is nothing hidden in opensource ... NOTHING ...

there will never be a situation in opensource that will be malicious or against the community in any way shape or form ...

IF for any reason it there is code that is - it will found out and alerted to the general public and the community at large ...

i am NOT ( i mean by a long shot ) saying that ANY of these devs are doing anything remotely malicious ... they are not ...

what i am saying is simply that it goes against ALL that we stand for here ...

it is NOT about money that the farm continues to grow - even though we NEED money ( fiat ) to make it grow ( and run ) ...

it is about the freedom that we can exchange services and goods WITHOUT the control of the 'powers' that be ...

i also started out with two video cards side by side - and WAS one of the 'small' players ... i KNOW what is was like to struggle with mining and doing it while the 'big' players got their optimizations and coins while we struggled to understand it all ... now a little bit bigger than a 'small' player - i still have the same ideals ...

closed source will crush that ... no matter which way you look at it ...

maybe im a little too outspoken over this - and can crawkl back in the shadows and watch - like i used to ... but i have been in the network and infrastructure industry for over 27years ... what that has taught me is simple ...

that when you let closed source come in - and let it take over - it will bind you in ways that you will never imagine ... like microsoft did way back ...

hence the reason i got out of 'that' industry and into a free and open world ... linux brought that world to life ...

i have ONE windows machine - just ONE ... and that is purely to support those that need real HELP ... and i do it for free ...

thats what closed source does ... in the bigger picture of course ...

even though closed source does not necessarily mean 'not free' - it does mean that we are at the whim of the next release from the 'owner' ...

with or without improvement - with or without anyone elses input ( eg - from other devs or the the community ) ...

this is something that the devs have the RIGHT to - after all its their code ... we just use it ...

but i wont be a part of a closed source system ever again ...

our farm WILL continue to grow ... even if you never hear from me here again ... it will continue to develop and the farm will continue to become a force to be reckoned with - BUT - it will NOT be slave to the closed source system ... ever ... this is the reason i will never have windows on ANY of the miners - unless microsoft release the code as open source ... simple ...

its an ideal and principle - not a paycheck ... at least for us here ...

devs - you all have our respect as well as mine ... so there MUST be other ways that YOU can benefit from the hard long hours that you do - for the benefit of the community ... there must be ...

i have yet to think of one ... but there will be a way ... an option needs to be sought - or we will just end up in the ways that once was - before satoshi and all that 'he' worked for ...

we will be doing our bit by supporting the facilitation of mining donations to you by way of providing the general community via donation mining portals ...

paid by us - maintained by us - for the you the devs who continue to support us the community of miners ...

this obviously still depends on the community at large to donate this way - but there are many that do - and many that still will ...

sp - ill work with you as best as i am capable of - as will the rest of the community - as i think your fork of ccminer is one of the best ... but i have said my piece on closed source apps and optimizations ...

in any case - there are my ramblings ... off to business again ... back in another day or so ...

#crysx

Whoops, found something in my inbox I figure you guys should also see...


That was the context of your reply. Things aren't going my way because I'm not getting them for free.

"I'm really pissed off at the ppl that do nothing to help, but have a bunch of whining to do because they want it their way."

"To the devs...I'm apologizing for the leeches."

I guess I don't intend on having a thorough bout with someone who doesn't even comprehend what they write, let alone what I do.


I'm turning off email notifications for PMs, so if you want to be annoying, find some other way of doing it.

Sheesh...and I'm almost never like that. It's just been lately he has gotten to me. My mood is much calmer now...thankx!  


on /w the parade!

Its more of a link but anyways good for your mood. Have a good day.

I'm lookin' for that botton now...thanks, didn't know it existed.

Edit; found it...Wanted to smash his face in. Such a troublemaker...Thank You for letting me know about the button.

lol I love the ignore button. Spread the love, dont hate

To clear it up...it started with one dev not saying anything, another saying something about not enough, another saying he wasn't playing, plus a member stirring the pot.

In other words...nothing has changed, as of now. Did that help? lol

Happy Mining!

EDIT; Bensam...there is a seat waiting for you in hell. You no longer dignify an answer. YOU ASS!

I don't think he's saying he is going to make it private, rather just close sourced so people don't copy it and build private miners off of it. Close source != private. Something can be closed and free (as in doesn't cost anything) at the same time. That's essentially what is happening right now except for a few people who are also making open versions of it anyway. He could even make a pseudo-closed version, where he just doesn't make it readily available, but it will inevitably end up out there anyway... Or opensource older versions after a certain revision number.

There is nothing wrong with a dev fee either. Something really small like 1-2% is not what I'd consider outlandish. I'd definitely be willing to pay that if it keeps him on the project, which is definitely something that is needed so private miner shit wont start.

I think in this case, I think people who are against him close sourcing his work are probably the ones that have the most to lose by it... either because they're selling it or reaping the most rewards from it.



You didn't read any of what I wrote. For being 'in this thread for some time' you should be ashamed at your lack of comprehension of what you just wrote three paragraphs about. At no point did I say I wanted something for free or 'not pay for it'.


Last page.

I mis-typed... I meant I was getting 20,000KH/s per card (980) sorry for the confusion.. I did not read what I typed. I was so surprised by his reporting of 10,000,000 KH/s per card I about shit myself (can I say that?)

Where did you read that sp_ is "going closed source?"

I believe you are mistaken.
There has been some sort-of off-topic discussion here that you are apparently misunderstanding.