Topic: CCminer(SP-MOD) Modded NVIDIA Maxwell / Pascal kernels. - page 705. (Read 2347641 times)

I said profit, not open source. If you have the product when people want it you make big profit. You can decide
how you want to market it and if and when you open the source. At the moment you are trying to sell a product
that has no market appeal. Develop a better product and it will sell itself.

That's what I'd do, if I could. I have cpuminer-opt, but it isn't a marketable product so there is no point in me
trying to sell it. But the work is fun so I do  it.

BTW I got my first donation a couple of days ago but I'm not sure it was for my cpuminer work.

Worth way more than 0.1BTC. I will not do the opensource pascal mod. You can do it.

Ok, the're done in private farms then, but the're still done. If they were yours I expect you would be releasing
them in your fee based miner so I assume they are other devs' private miners. If you can't get access to them
you can't sell them so your Maxwell business is also done.

Like I said, focus on pascal & cuda 8, be the first to market with a pascal optimized miner, make lots of profit.

You are wrong. The big gains in Maxwell are only in private farms.

People who already mine x11 will, but I don't think it will motivate people to switch to x11. That decision is probably made
based only on x11's proofitability regardless of the miner.

Another porblem for devs was cuda 7.5. It's release should have been an opportunity for further optimisations but it
was a flop. Most of the work on cuda 7.5 was to recover lost hash. There's no profit in that.

Ofcourse ppl will donate for a 6% faster x11 kernal if it is profitable. With etherum and decred taking a dive, you need to move the rigs to the profit. Everyone is welcome to mine Dash. If you don't use my modded kernals you are eighter stupid or have to few cards..

Wolf0 just AES_NI optimized a CPU miner for HOdl for a bounty and released the source. Now anyone can take that source
and improve it. He did the same with his cryptonight AES_NI optimisations. I've added both to cpumier-opt. He got his bounty
so I'm not stepping on his toes. Whether he chooses to optimise further is entirely up to him but he probably realizes the
profit/work ratio has gone way down.

That is part of the problem with SP_MOD. Early on the was excitement for Maxwell and people were anxious to donate for
more hash and the improvements came big and fast. But that has reached the pont of dimishing returns, donations dropped
off, improvement were fewer and smaller and interest waned. Your profit dropped and you tried to get them back. The
conversion from free to fee based didn't go smoothly. For one the big increases for existing algos were long gone, each
release was only 1 or 2% and sometimes caused regresssions on some cards. People don't want to pay for that. You need
to produce something people want to pay for, not something you need to beg them to pay for.

Your reaction to the inevitable has been negative and has had the effect of turning off many customers making the situation worse.

It would help if you accepted the reality that the big gains in Maxwell are done. You should focus on new algos and prepare
for Pascal and Cuda 8. If you get a head start it could give you a market advantage which means more profit for you. Imagine
being the first to advertise a Pascal optimized miner. I'm sure poeple would be willing to pay for that. Shit I just tipped off the
competition. Oh well better for customers.

X11:

My 1.5.74 does 14.5MHASH on the 980ti with OC

My private does around 15MHASH on the same clocks.(0.1BTC)

I am working to reach 15.5MHASH kernal in the sp-mod ultimate(simd rewrite).. Much more interesting than the stupid blake algos.. a [email protected] MHASH makes $4.6 a day on nicehash mining x11 with todays prices..


Sp-mod ultimate will contain these modded kernals:

1. x11,x13,x14,x15,x17
2. quark,nist5m
3. lyra2re,lyra2v2
4. Neoscrypt
5. Decred, Blake2s, Vcash, Pentablake

Refork of 1.7.5 with all the bugfixes and improvements by tvpruvot.

And when Pallas opensource a 10% improvement, they expect me to do another +10% in my mod right? And when Alexis spend another 50hours to squeeze out a few percent, they expect that the sp-mod will be faster right?
The competition is also working. You never see wolf0 release updates to his modded kernals. I do. Sometimes with bugfixes, sometimes with improved hashrate.. My Vcash and cryptonight kernals need some more work. Let's see what I can do, the limit is not yet reached.

...yeah I saw he didn't mention the speed of Decred either. I assume it's working on whatever is left over.

I like it. I've thought about something similar and played around with running two miner instances in parallel,
each one mining a different algo without much success. Depending on the algos I choose I can get a bit over 100%
but not much. Each algo hashes at a significantly reduced rate but the sum is greater than either ine alone.
Complementary algos work best, one CPU bound, the other memory bound.

I have no idea how Claymore managed to hash a second algo without reducing the performance of the first. There
seems to be a priority order with ethereum being higher.

And for some reason he's still making miners with dev fees... Hmmm... wonder if it's worked out for him for the last three years.

But jesus... Decred is going to get tanked. That's merge miner glory town... This makes me feel a bit sad inside. It's going to earn as much as Ethereum was worth mining last month...

I talked about this at length, many moons ago on that once popular cuda mining application thread. 
Looks like no1 from our camp decided to pick it up, but there was always some sense in combining a memory-hard algo, with a compute-hard algo, for optimal GPU usage. Great news for the AMD miners if that works out, not-so-great for us here with nvidia 

Interesting AMD miner: Claymore's Dual Ethereum+Decred GPU Miner v1.0

I wonder if the same could be done for nvidia.

I hope it's not contageous, maybe I should wear gloves at the keyboard.

This flame war is just getting bigger. The bottom line is when people are forced to pay for a product
that used to be available free there are going to be problems (mp3s). The sellers of the product
must realize that they now have customers, they are no longer friends. Customers are demanding, they
can act like jerks, they expect perfection. This is why the saying " the customer is always right" was
invented. Merchants have to put up with assholes in order to do business, Put on the fake smile, pretend
to be a friend, be a salesman.

Of course that's from the businessman's perception, the customer's perception is the complete opposite.
Merchants are always trying to rip off customers by misrepresenting their product, cutting corners on
materials and quality, overpromissing, underdelivering and overpricing an inferior product in order to make
the most profit.

If you want to get paid for a free product there has to be value added. It's no longer ok to release untested code,
Playing customers expect quality and will complain. Paying customers don't like to be used as beta testers without
their knowledge. They expect value. When a new release comes out they expect significant performance increases
in preformance.

SP, you sem to have failed in the customer service department. You should test your products better and deliver
bigger improvements before begging for more money. And stop being so stubborn and pig headed. It doesn't
matter wheter you think you're right if you want to do business you need to make the customer think he is right,
because he always is.

One thing I find very disturbing is the sense that you are holding back and trying to squeeze customers even more.
It sems everytime the pressure gets too great you throw customer a treat like they were dogs. It is clear you have
choosen a business method that exploits customers and squeezes them as much as possible.

It's your choice how you do business and it's the customers' choice whether to do business with you. You can't
expect profit based on the amount of work you do, but on the customers' perception of  the value in what
you are delivering.

you as well huh? ...

damn! ...

bct need to do something about that ... :| ...

#crysx

i'm Vaccomondus, i just lost my credentials, i'm unable to retrieve my account sadly, i've sent you a message, i have even create a topic about this in meta, and i'm the only one that know between our deal, so this is the proof that i'm him

hi sp ...

the isp has now fixedthe email issue ...

please send me the latest of the kernels to the address you have - and they wont bounce now ... i will respond if i am still awake - otherwise i will respond tomorrow ...

this will prove that im who i say i am ... i am chrysophylax ...

tanx sp ...

#crysx

-l 13x78 is crashing in the tsiv version. (out of memory). I think the cryptonight mod was compiled for compute 5.0 with an old version of cuda 6.5, some kernals are failing on compute 5.2. I will take a look when I have time and you will get an update. Why did you change your account newbie? I never trust newbies.

this -l 13x78, i can achieve 480 in some case, your version is the same thing, and btw you did not fixed the nonce validation, i payed for a unusable version