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Can someone please post results for the 750TI at NF17? hash/s and total power usage of the rig.
You don't understand merged mining because you don't understand why mining exists. The point of it is to secure the coin, not make money on a P & D and move onto the next shitcoin.
I'ts not that I don't understand merged mining I'm just pointing out that there isn't any appeal
in it for miners. For the coin to be secure it has to appeal to a large number of miners or the principals
need to supply enough hash themselves. The merged coins have so little value they can't make it on their
own so they hook up with a larger coin and feed on its appeal.
WTF are you talking about? I never said any such thing. I said nothing about the parent coin and rsent you trying
to put words in my mouth. If yo continue to do so I will stop responding to you. Read what I said again in context
to what I was responding to and try a response that makes some sense.
BTW your clains are meaningless. The leech coin's worth is a very small fraction of the value of the host so adds
virtually no value or benefit to the host coin or the miners mining it. I've probably made less than a penny with
unitis in the past year. And what do miners care about "leveraging the security of an existing blockchain".
We just want our coins, as much as we can get, like any other greedy humans.
You don't understand merged mining because you don't understand why mining exists. The point of it is to secure the coin, not make money on a P & D and move onto the next shitcoin.
I'ts not that I don't understand merged mining I'm just pointing out that there isn't any appeal
in it for miners. For the coin to be secure it has to appeal to a large number of miners or the principals
need to supply enough hash themselves. The merged coins have so little value they can't make it on their
own so they hook up with a larger coin and feed on its appeal.
WTF are you talking about? I never said any such thing. I said nothing about the parent coin and rsent you trying
to put words in my mouth. If yo continue to do so I will stop responding to you. Read what I said again in context
to what I was responding to and try a response that makes some sense.
BTW your clains are meaningless. The leech coin's worth is a very small fraction of the value of the host so adds
virtually no value or benefit to the host coin or the miners mining it. I've probably made less than a penny with
unitis in the past year. And what do miners care about "leveraging the security of an existing blockchain".
We just want our coins, as much as we can get, like any other greedy humans.
You don't understand merged mining because you don't understand why mining exists. The point of it is to secure the coin, not make money on a P & D and move onto the next shitcoin.
I'ts not that I don't understand merged mining I'm just pointing out that there isn't any appeal
in it for miners. For the coin to be secure it has to appeal to a large number of miners or the principals
need to supply enough hash themselves. The merged coins have so little value they can't make it on their
own so they hook up with a larger coin and feed on its appeal.
You don't understand merged mining because you don't understand why mining exists. The point of it is to secure the coin, not make money on a P & D and move onto the next shitcoin.
I'ts not that I don't understand merged mining I'm just pointing out that there isn't any appeal
in it for miners. For the coin to be secure it has to appeal to a large number of miners or the principals
need to supply enough hash themselves. The merged coins have so little value they can't make it on their
own so they hook up with a larger coin and feed on its appeal.
) Good one. That's certainly the intent of the coin devs but not the miners, If the two interests intersect at some point that
will become the center of gravity and will become the normal. It's actually a race to the center not the bottom.
You don't understand merged mining because you don't understand why mining exists. The point of it is to secure the coin, not make money on a P & D and move onto the next shitcoin.
I'ts not that I don't understand merged mining I'm just pointing out that there isn't any appeal
in it for miners. For the coin to be secure it has to appeal to a large number of miners or the principals
need to supply enough hash themselves. The merged coins have so little value they can't make it on their
own so they hook up with a larger coin and feed on its appeal.
) You don't understand merged mining because you don't understand why mining exists. The point of it is to secure the coin, not make money on a P & D and move onto the next shitcoin.
I'ts not that I don't understand merged mining I'm just pointing out that there isn't any appeal
in it for miners. For the coin to be secure it has to appeal to a large number of miners or the principals
need to supply enough hash themselves. The merged coins have so little value they can't make it on their
own so they hook up with a larger coin and feed on its appeal.
Can anyone share with me the bat file of ethminer on gt970 and 750ti mixed system. i cannot coonfigure it proparly. 
(
( Forget about 750ti for ETH in windows. It's hashrate is around 2-3MH. It is only profitable in linux but also with much lower hashrate then some months ago.
You should mine something else with 750ti.
And don't forget to oc the memory aswell when mining ETH
)970 makes a bit over 20MH(it depends on OC). Calculate the profits there: http://etherscan.io/ether-mining-calculator and reduce it by ~10% if pool mining.
Can anyone share with me the bat file of ethminer on gt970 and 750ti mixed system. i cannot coonfigure it proparly. (
( Forget about 750ti for ETH in windows. It's hashrate is around 2-3MH. It is only profitable in linux but also with much lower hashrate then some months ago.
You should mine something else with 750ti.
And don't forget to oc the memory aswell when mining ETH
) Can anyone share with me the bat file of ethminer on gt970 and 750ti mixed system. i cannot coonfigure it proparly. (
( Forget about 750ti for ETH in windows. It's hashrate is around 2-3MH. It is only profitable in linux but also with much lower hashrate then some months ago.
You should mine something else with 750ti.
And don't forget to oc the memory aswell when mining ETH
Miners generally speaking aren't supporters, they keep a coin alive.
That's an oxymoron bensam. If miners are keeping a coin alive, they are most definitely supporters.Generally speaking, it's quite funny how all this mining talk casually ignores the fact that PoW is a race to the bottom. People complaining about small mining profits, would do better to just stop mining, and focus their energies elsewhere. Ah well, I'm probably just at the wrong thread...
Sure and it was meant to sound that way. Because they are a drain on the coin, but at the same time they make sure the network doesn't fall apart. It's a bought service. Miners are a oxymoron. XD
Not sure how GPU mining is characterized by a 'race to the bottom'. Just like miners aren't responsible for 'pump and dumps'. Coins can become more profitable while still minting the same amount of coins per day (relatively speaking). Minting is a controlled release.
Can anyone share with me the bat file of ethminer on gt970 and 750ti mixed system. i cannot coonfigure it proparly. (
( 
it's just the usual wealth curve, nothing new.
20% of the people get 80% of the pie.
it always works like this, as soon as the balance is reached.
20% of the people get 80% of the pie.
it always works like this, as soon as the balance is reached.
Oh yeah, that's why BTC is still being mined? Not every coin switches to PoS. It's only a 'phase' for some coins, for others it'll last the entirety of the coin. Not sure you guys understand what a race to the bottom is and definitely doesn't apply here, much like pump and dump does not apply to mining.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pump_and_dump
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/a-race-to-or-for-the-bottom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pump_and_dump
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/a-race-to-or-for-the-bottom
I prefer the wikipedia take on the same expression, both on the economics/efficiency standpoint as well as the banana example, but I agree that my interpretation might be too liberal for some.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_to_the_bottom
I would summarize by stating that the mining competition naturally drives the overall profit opportunity downwards.
This happens both quantitatively (with more miners competing, there's less profits for each/all of them) as well as qualitatively (each new miner improvement - hardware or software - further denies profits to all the existing miners that do not enjoy the same improvement).
Coins get pumped because they are too small. It's not just a matter of time to stabilize but their design. Low diff, low value
coins seem to be intended for excessive speculation and manipulation, much like the junior mining in Canada, as I mentioned
once before.
Another analogy with real mining is the constant supply of new product. Gold is continuously being mined and every ounce
that has ever been mined still exists. We have to face the facts that mining altcoins is like the goldrush. And advancement
in mining technology (software in the case of altcoins) is also part of the game and not everyone gets the latest technology.
If you look at the history of many companies they originated as technology companies with a monopoly so they could
market their products at an advantage over the competition that didn't have the technology. It's no different than private miners.
Some develop their own technology organically and some "investors" buy technology.
Ad far as Nicehash goes, it was certainly a disruptive force but unlike most multipools it has it's own rhythm which is good
for profit switching. Sometimes Nicehash pays higher than multipools sometimes lower. Multipools have disappeared
because they have become a commodity. Every pool is almost identical. They have mostly the same algos, same coins
and same profit swings, and now even the same interface, but it's a good one. Hashpower and zpool are no different
than yaamp was. The "alternative:" pools succeed because they have found a niche. Some are agressive with new coins,
some focus on niche algos like cryptonight, I don't know why not's not on any multipools.
Nimbleness is becomking a desireable feature in altcoins. The ability to shoift algos means they will stay ahead of
the race toward asics. There no point in developping an asic for x11 if coins can just switch to x13 or x11v2 or whatever.
Some coins adapt like vert switching from lyra2re to lyra2rev2 (there's actually a lyra2 that is not the same as lyra2re,
and probably a lyra1 also).
I don't understand the use for merged mining. For one the merged coin is usually valueless and for another profit switchers
can simply adjust to the profitablity of the coins combined. Ules you use autoexchange to dump it's also another wallet
to manage and another coin to find on an exchange. It's like mining for gold and also finding lead. Forget the lead, go
for the gold.
coins seem to be intended for excessive speculation and manipulation, much like the junior mining in Canada, as I mentioned
once before.
Another analogy with real mining is the constant supply of new product. Gold is continuously being mined and every ounce
that has ever been mined still exists. We have to face the facts that mining altcoins is like the goldrush. And advancement
in mining technology (software in the case of altcoins) is also part of the game and not everyone gets the latest technology.
If you look at the history of many companies they originated as technology companies with a monopoly so they could
market their products at an advantage over the competition that didn't have the technology. It's no different than private miners.
Some develop their own technology organically and some "investors" buy technology.
Ad far as Nicehash goes, it was certainly a disruptive force but unlike most multipools it has it's own rhythm which is good
for profit switching. Sometimes Nicehash pays higher than multipools sometimes lower. Multipools have disappeared
because they have become a commodity. Every pool is almost identical. They have mostly the same algos, same coins
and same profit swings, and now even the same interface, but it's a good one. Hashpower and zpool are no different
than yaamp was. The "alternative:" pools succeed because they have found a niche. Some are agressive with new coins,
some focus on niche algos like cryptonight, I don't know why not's not on any multipools.
Nimbleness is becomking a desireable feature in altcoins. The ability to shoift algos means they will stay ahead of
the race toward asics. There no point in developping an asic for x11 if coins can just switch to x13 or x11v2 or whatever.
Some coins adapt like vert switching from lyra2re to lyra2rev2 (there's actually a lyra2 that is not the same as lyra2re,
and probably a lyra1 also).
I don't understand the use for merged mining. For one the merged coin is usually valueless and for another profit switchers
can simply adjust to the profitablity of the coins combined. Ules you use autoexchange to dump it's also another wallet
to manage and another coin to find on an exchange. It's like mining for gold and also finding lead. Forget the lead, go
for the gold.
You don't understand merged mining because you don't understand why mining exists. The point of it is to secure the coin, not make money on a P & D and move onto the next shitcoin.
You know he's not responding to me, right? XD
(still agree with Wolf0) Coins get pumped because they are too small. It's not just a matter of time to stabilize but their design. Low diff, low value
coins seem to be intended for excessive speculation and manipulation, much like the junior mining in Canada, as I mentioned
once before.
Another analogy with real mining is the constant supply of new product. Gold is continuously being mined and every ounce
that has ever been mined still exists. We have to face the facts that mining altcoins is like the goldrush. And advancement
in mining technology (software in the case of altcoins) is also part of the game and not everyone gets the latest technology.
If you look at the history of many companies they originated as technology companies with a monopoly so they could
market their products at an advantage over the competition that didn't have the technology. It's no different than private miners.
Some develop their own technology organically and some "investors" buy technology.
Ad far as Nicehash goes, it was certainly a disruptive force but unlike most multipools it has it's own rhythm which is good
for profit switching. Sometimes Nicehash pays higher than multipools sometimes lower. Multipools have disappeared
because they have become a commodity. Every pool is almost identical. They have mostly the same algos, same coins
and same profit swings, and now even the same interface, but it's a good one. Hashpower and zpool are no different
than yaamp was. The "alternative:" pools succeed because they have found a niche. Some are agressive with new coins,
some focus on niche algos like cryptonight, I don't know why not's not on any multipools.
Nimbleness is becomking a desireable feature in altcoins. The ability to shoift algos means they will stay ahead of
the race toward asics. There no point in developping an asic for x11 if coins can just switch to x13 or x11v2 or whatever.
Some coins adapt like vert switching from lyra2re to lyra2rev2 (there's actually a lyra2 that is not the same as lyra2re,
and probably a lyra1 also).
I don't understand the use for merged mining. For one the merged coin is usually valueless and for another profit switchers
can simply adjust to the profitablity of the coins combined. Ules you use autoexchange to dump it's also another wallet
to manage and another coin to find on an exchange. It's like mining for gold and also finding lead. Forget the lead, go
for the gold.
coins seem to be intended for excessive speculation and manipulation, much like the junior mining in Canada, as I mentioned
once before.
Another analogy with real mining is the constant supply of new product. Gold is continuously being mined and every ounce
that has ever been mined still exists. We have to face the facts that mining altcoins is like the goldrush. And advancement
in mining technology (software in the case of altcoins) is also part of the game and not everyone gets the latest technology.
If you look at the history of many companies they originated as technology companies with a monopoly so they could
market their products at an advantage over the competition that didn't have the technology. It's no different than private miners.
Some develop their own technology organically and some "investors" buy technology.
Ad far as Nicehash goes, it was certainly a disruptive force but unlike most multipools it has it's own rhythm which is good
for profit switching. Sometimes Nicehash pays higher than multipools sometimes lower. Multipools have disappeared
because they have become a commodity. Every pool is almost identical. They have mostly the same algos, same coins
and same profit swings, and now even the same interface, but it's a good one. Hashpower and zpool are no different
than yaamp was. The "alternative:" pools succeed because they have found a niche. Some are agressive with new coins,
some focus on niche algos like cryptonight, I don't know why not's not on any multipools.
Nimbleness is becomking a desireable feature in altcoins. The ability to shoift algos means they will stay ahead of
the race toward asics. There no point in developping an asic for x11 if coins can just switch to x13 or x11v2 or whatever.
Some coins adapt like vert switching from lyra2re to lyra2rev2 (there's actually a lyra2 that is not the same as lyra2re,
and probably a lyra1 also).
I don't understand the use for merged mining. For one the merged coin is usually valueless and for another profit switchers
can simply adjust to the profitablity of the coins combined. Ules you use autoexchange to dump it's also another wallet
to manage and another coin to find on an exchange. It's like mining for gold and also finding lead. Forget the lead, go
for the gold.
You don't understand merged mining because you don't understand why mining exists. The point of it is to secure the coin, not make money on a P & D and move onto the next shitcoin.
You know he's not responding to me, right? XD
Pump and dumps have nothing to do with miners. They're fast money scams made by shitcoins usually with large IPOs. It really has nothing to do with miners as they don't do the pumping. Even if miners sell their coins daily (once again not anything remotely relating to a pump and dump), it'll be a gradual release over time and will be compensated with market activity and equalize, unless it's a shitcoin that has massive rewards at the beginning and the mine period lasts like a week. Small coins aren't even worth mining because even if you dumped all the coins mined on a daily basis, you still wouldn't net a profit due to the low coin value.
Miners generally speaking aren't supporters, they keep a coin alive.
That's an oxymoron bensam. If miners are keeping a coin alive, they are most definitely supporters.Generally speaking, it's quite funny how all this mining talk casually ignores the fact that PoW is a race to the bottom. People complaining about small mining profits, would do better to just stop mining, and focus their energies elsewhere. Ah well, I'm probably just at the wrong thread...
Sure and it was meant to sound that way. Because they are a drain on the coin, but at the same time they make sure the network doesn't fall apart. It's a bought service. Miners are a oxymoron. XD
Not sure how GPU mining is characterized by a 'race to the bottom'. Just like miners aren't responsible for 'pump and dumps'. Coins can become more profitable while still minting the same amount of coins per day (relatively speaking). Minting is a controlled release.
Mining is a race to the bottom, dude. GPU mining is a phase of mining that passes if the coin grows enough.
Oh yeah, that's why BTC is still being mined? Not every coin switches to PoS. It's only a 'phase' for some coins, for others it'll last the entirety of the coin. Not sure you guys understand what a race to the bottom is and definitely doesn't apply here, much like pump and dump does not apply to mining.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pump_and_dump
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/a-race-to-or-for-the-bottom
Miners generally speaking aren't supporters, they keep a coin alive.
That's an oxymoron bensam. wish these coins would stay profitable for more than a day 
Just shows you how many miners are out there. Vanilla was great for about half a day, then people hopped off of other big coins or ones with private miners (like x11) and wrecked it, then they went back to their more profitable private miners.
if people weren't dumping like crazy right after mining, it would profitable longer...
hence stop dumping... have some vtc, it went several time from not profitable to very profitable, if you are patient enough
you can get an interesting deal... that the way altcoins work, but since a year it is the "dump directly on exchange" which seems to prevail hence the low profit... well sorry but this is a bit on you... (please spare me the "I have electricity bill to pay..." which isn't a good excuse...
hence stop dumping... have some vtc, it went several time from not profitable to very profitable, if you are patient enough
you can get an interesting deal... that the way altcoins work, but since a year it is the "dump directly on exchange" which seems to prevail hence the low profit... well sorry but this is a bit on you... (please spare me the "I have electricity bill to pay..." which isn't a good excuse...
It's not profitable UNLESS you exchange them for BTC. Otherwise you're just a bag holder. Artificial coin pricing based on people not selling coins is not a market you want to be in (happened with Burst). That means when people sell, the whole market will collapse. The coin will equalize at whatever the daily mine rate is for the coin, minus buy support. Which is usually about the same for all coins as the market and mining profitability equalizes.
The only people the coin would stay profitable for if people held coins are the people actually selling. It's a good way to screw over your fellow miners.
I have electricity to pay for is a great excuse. Miners don't mine to be bag holders. They aren't investors, that's a completely different job title. Investors buy the coin and hold it for value to increase.
and why "investors" would buy a coin which gets dumped on a daily basis, by miners ? I mean you realize there is no point in investing in something which loses value on a daily basis, because people like you aren't able to hold a little.
To keep a profitable offer, you can't have infinite supply... that's seems pretty logical to me.
You completely miss the point actually... and that's the reason why many coins went to POS, to avoid moronic miners like you... and quite frankly you are the one getting hurt in the process... because investors stop investing and you are the losing money in electricity... anyway, this is basic economy...
What do you think happens when the US prints money each and every year then spends it? or any country for that matter? You can even look at coins that are successful, like Darkcoin for instance. It gets dumped on a daily basis as well.
It's the price of using the coin, some coins can support it if they have the community and the coins being minted don't overload the buy support and the people who want to actually use the coin.
I think you don't understand why miners get paid a fee for mining. It's a trade of service. It costs electricity. Miners pay their bills and hopefully have something left over. These are the basics of a operating coin.
That aside, coins don't have a infinite supply. They're a pie. The more people mining, the less coins per person, that's what difficulty is.
I understand very well what miners are paid for, but when miner are stupid enough to sell below their profitability margin, then I don't understand.
Their is a crisis in France where meat producers where they are forced to sell their product below their margins (this probably could have been avoided through better trade and union... but hey...) while cereal producers usually when the price is too low, they _wait_ and sell when the price is higher (as they can store them)... I think you belong to the second category, if you don't see where is your advantage you are a moron and you will just continue to blame devs and private miners for killing the price... Because at the end, you will complain as well, that's the irony in all that system. You have the mean to influence on the market, but you still prefer to complain when you dump for ridiculous value because others did the same...
Coins can be considered as having infinite supplies, because most of them will be dead before reaching their first halving (if they have any planned), the difficulty doesn't do to the price either, because you are not able to hold your freaking coins... so even when the supply/miner decrease, the price continues to fall...
anyway, you are mining, I am not
I just make miners, your funeral Coins get pumped because they are too small. It's not just a matter of time to stabilize but their design. Low diff, low value
coins seem to be intended for excessive speculation and manipulation, much like the junior mining in Canada, as I mentioned
once before.
Another analogy with real mining is the constant supply of new product. Gold is continuously being mined and every ounce
that has ever been mined still exists. We have to face the facts that mining altcoins is like the goldrush. And advancement
in mining technology (software in the case of altcoins) is also part of the game and not everyone gets the latest technology.
If you look at the history of many companies they originated as technology companies with a monopoly so they could
market their products at an advantage over the competition that didn't have the technology. It's no different than private miners.
Some develop their own technology organically and some "investors" buy technology.
Ad far as Nicehash goes, it was certainly a disruptive force but unlike most multipools it has it's own rhythm which is good
for profit switching. Sometimes Nicehash pays higher than multipools sometimes lower. Multipools have disappeared
because they have become a commodity. Every pool is almost identical. They have mostly the same algos, same coins
and same profit swings, and now even the same interface, but it's a good one. Hashpower and zpool are no different
than yaamp was. The "alternative:" pools succeed because they have found a niche. Some are agressive with new coins,
some focus on niche algos like cryptonight, I don't know why not's not on any multipools.
Nimbleness is becomking a desireable feature in altcoins. The ability to shoift algos means they will stay ahead of
the race toward asics. There no point in developping an asic for x11 if coins can just switch to x13 or x11v2 or whatever.
Some coins adapt like vert switching from lyra2re to lyra2rev2 (there's actually a lyra2 that is not the same as lyra2re,
and probably a lyra1 also).
I don't understand the use for merged mining. For one the merged coin is usually valueless and for another profit switchers
can simply adjust to the profitablity of the coins combined. Ules you use autoexchange to dump it's also another wallet
to manage and another coin to find on an exchange. It's like mining for gold and also finding lead. Forget the lead, go
for the gold.
You don't understand merged mining because you don't understand why mining exists. The point of it is to secure the coin, not make money on a P & D and move onto the next shitcoin.
Miners generally speaking aren't supporters, they keep a coin alive.
That's an oxymoron bensam. If miners are keeping a coin alive, they are most definitely supporters.Generally speaking, it's quite funny how all this mining talk casually ignores the fact that PoW is a race to the bottom. People complaining about small mining profits, would do better to just stop mining, and focus their energies elsewhere. Ah well, I'm probably just at the wrong thread...
Sure and it was meant to sound that way. Because they are a drain on the coin, but at the same time they make sure the network doesn't fall apart. It's a bought service. Miners are a oxymoron. XD
Not sure how GPU mining is characterized by a 'race to the bottom'. Just like miners aren't responsible for 'pump and dumps'. Coins can become more profitable while still minting the same amount of coins per day (relatively speaking). Minting is a controlled release.
Miners generally speaking aren't supporters, they keep a coin alive.
That's an oxymoron bensam. If miners are keeping a coin alive, they are most definitely supporters.Generally speaking, it's quite funny how all this mining talk casually ignores the fact that PoW is a race to the bottom. People complaining about small mining profits, would do better to just stop mining, and focus their energies elsewhere. Ah well, I'm probably just at the wrong thread...
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