Topic: Censorship - JollyGood & BetKing.io Scam (Read 699 times)

Based on below, this thread is now locked:



Jg didn't give anyone any time to respond. There's a difference between how I am ending discussion and how he did.

How about this: When 72 hours goes by without discussion, I'll lock the thread.
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It has been over 72 hours since the last post.

Well, I am supposed not to post here again. But since you asked me, look at the bold part below. The question was Are you becoming his friends?. So, I responded: Agree or disagree with someone does not make friends or enemies. Do you see anything wrong here?
Please don't take this thing offensively. I am trying to avoid any drama for now. You asked, I answered!
Thanks!

Where did I say it does? I did not say such thing anywhere, I am confident.

Okay, You ask, I agree. I don't want to be in this loop either so we can move on as you suggest.


I understood that part. But when you asked if I was becoming his friend or not? It annoyed me the most. Agree or disagree with someone does not make friends or enemies. At least that's what I believe. He agreed with some of my points and I also agree with some of his points. It does not really mean I become his friend. I don't want an answer or explanation as we agreed to ignore it and move on. This is going to be my last post here.

Thanks!

There are no point to keep arguing and repeat the same. I question, you explain; you question, I reply. It's an endless loop. So, I ignore all above and we move on.

The "you" is a plural which is addressing you [Shishir99] and JollyGood but I was giving importance to JollyGood when I wrote "[at-least...]".

I was referring to this reply from you.

BoXXoB - I don't trust his trust feedback or his trust list (present or future) as he has been involved in a scam that stole millions from the forum.
Shishir99 - I don't trust his future use of the system, when/if he were to gain any sort of power or influence.

I don't need a crystal ball, I just need to read their posts. I am allowed to have a judgement on the future if there is reason to. Both of these users have earned their place in my distrust list.

You can inquisite all you like about my decision about you - the fact is, I do not want to share it as if I do, it will require a ver y well elaborated thread that I am not bothered making.

You have added me to your distrust list as I added you to mine. If that's enough reason to add someone to your distrust list, then don't ask about my decisions in the same regard.

I am not bothered to respond to the rest for now, I see and feel no need.

Neither Shishir99 nor BoXXoB have created custom trust lists, so you cannot really use that as an argument. And, unless you have a crystal ball somewhere, there is no way to predict who they will trust or distrust in the future.


So, if I understand correctly, you did not actually ask him to unlock the thread, did you? In that case, there is no evidence of censorship on his part, and this topic was completely unnecessary.


As others have already pointed out, everyone has the freedom to open or lock their threads whenever they feel like it. If you want to add your comment, you can always shoot a PM to the OP and request an unlock or just start a fresh topic. That is how forums work and it has nothing to do with censorship.


You've got it all wrong. I never suggested that everyone should explain their trust lists to the public. My point was simply to understand why you added me on your distrust, so I can address any inaccurate or inappropriate trust actions if they exist, like any other DT member should. However, it appears you are not interested in that, which confirms my suspicion that you might not be using the trust system correctly.

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Totally agree. There are some members who could really benefit from using the Ignore feature more often. But judging by the way things are going, it seems like the Reputation board is going to continue resembling a bunch of kids squabbling on the playground.

I don't know about the others, but I really didn't get the impression that he (or Jollygood) were trying to imporess me or anyone else. The way I see it, he simply created a new topic in order not to further pollute merit application thread.

Btw, all this drama in the last few weeks across multiple threads is just ridiculous.

Sure, based on the DT system you might have fine ratings, since negatives are only for trading-matters. However, I do not trust all 3 of you to have good trust lists now or in the long term.


Jg didn't give anyone any time to respond. There's a difference between how I am ending discussion and how he did.

How about this: When 72 hours goes by without discussion, I'll lock the thread.

As for the rest I did not bother to reply to, I'm with Shishir99 if he's leaving. I'm done communicating with JollyGood and Shishir99, I'm not about to start communicating with you Stalker22. If changing trust settings without public explanation is abuse of the trust list then so be it as well. I doubt it though, or else the reputation board would be much fuller of threads.

If someone I trust recommends that I respond to something, I will.

I am done with you. You had to answer my questions which you clearly avoided and wrote a wall of text that are unnecessary. I have zero interest in continuing the drama.

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Look BitcoinGirl. I have seen you in various threads and you always seem reasonable. Please try to be neutral and you will get me.


Is it forbidden to talk about other people's business? Do you always talk about your own thing only? Don't you interrupt whenever you see something is not right in your opinion? The thread wasn't created without making a reply in cryptofrka's thread. At first, I responded to him in Cryptofrka's thread and then Cryptofrka asked me and others not to write off-topic things. So, to be ON topic, I need a thread. Right? Please point me where do you see the wrong action.

Please try to understand. It was Cryptofrka's merit application thread where BenCodie wrote his post and then I and other members also responded. BenCodie replied back with some bad attitude and I wanted to write him back. Meanwhile, Cryptofrka asked not to post off-topic there. So what is wrong here?

I did not ask Rikafip to respond there.
Let's say I was defending some other forum members in a random thread and I never had interaction with them personally. If they respond, is it my problem? Do I have any influence to make them write their thoughts?

To be honest BitcoinGirl, I am annoyed now. Where do you see I am interacting with him? If he is trying, that's from himself. He just shared his belief about my actions and that's it. You are supporting BenCodie without even considering the point I wrote. Can I say you are trying to be friends with BenCodie? Just agree and disagree makes friends and enemies here? I must be tooooo new here.

It is still an improper use of your trust list, much like this case involving LoyceV. Surprising that, despite your time spent on the forum, you still do not know the difference between Trust Feedback and your Trust List.

Take another look at what theymos wrote at the top of the Trust settings page:


I will ask once more: have you noticed  any "inaccurate or inappropriate trust actions" from me? If that is the case, I am more than willing to go through my trust feedback, address any concerns you raise, and provide explanations or corrections where needed.


nutildah, along with other DTs, excluded you because of your Trust system abuse, and since you continue to do so, I am going to exclude you as well, at least for the time being. This will reduce your chances of getting anywhere near the DT.



So, you want to do the same thing you are accusing JG of doing? You will lock the thread when it didn't go the way you hoped.

Just to be clear, I am not particularly interested in the whole BenCodie vs. JG drama, but did you ask him to unlock the thread so you could share your final thoughts? It is a bit absurd to talk about censorship without at least giving it a shot.

That is ironic considering that you both have created a thread directly about me with basically no constructive content:
Super High IQ BenCodie vs Low IQ forum posters about gambling.
Obsessive Conduct by "BenCodie" Over A Neutral Tag

Claims of narcissism, obsessiveness, that I'm against every gambler on the forum - all of which are in-factual/untrue:
- Obsessiveness - only because JollyGood says/thinks so (does not make it true)
- Narcissistic - not true. when not defending myself, I'm rarely absorbing in myself.
- Against all gamblers in the forum - I'm against casino-user exploitation, and low iq shills only. I don't blame gamblers for having their version of fun, or degenerates for being degenerates.

One hand, there are you two.

One the other hand, myself. I created a genuine discussion thread with diverse opinion and poll results, aimed at neither of you but inspired by both of you:
If someone is a proven liar, do they deserve to be given negative trust?

I knew before I made the thread that it would become a unique discussion. How? Because if you are actually trusted by so many active people here JollyGood, then the discussion is sure to be unique...especially from those who trust your judgement.

Surely enough, I was right. That discussion has got to be one of the most interesting threads I've read here. One where I am just interested in watching everyone's new opinion and not commenting much. My view was much more toward black and white until that thread. Some of the responses have great perspective, some of them are flat-out outrageous. It actually points out a potential problem in the forum. However, who are we to know how many unproven lies go undetected? Though, who am I to actually judge or try change this place? Hence not responding there much. Letting nature have its course.

This though:


Is actually narcissistic. Making something that is not about attacking you, made about attacking you. Now that, is ironic.

My point was you were offending him with that topic where you had no business at all. Whatever emotion he had, that were towards other members. Right to act does not mean you start offending random person.

It was not supposed to be your problem but Cryptofrka's. If that thread was created by Cryptofrka then it was understandable.

Because he reacted to your topic and expressed his thoughts.

You are a mental patient in DT network. No wonder why all these drama around because of you. One notable thing is you are a coward who run away from accountability when questions are against you. Truth is you have no balls to have a decent conversation. You are a pussy.

Now it seems you are interacting [at-least JollyGood is trying]. Are you becoming his friends? LOL

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My dear, I, you and other who are reading knows very well that you are a liar. The whole post you wrong was about me and you say you have no interest. You have no balls.

It is exactly that. If you agree with his point of view you are a saint but if you dare to go against this view he will troll you. If you really upset him too much he will create a thread, list all the names that have trusted you and ask them to distrust you. This is the level of low mentality people you are dealing with and I have to say you have shown patience in the manner you have expressed yourself.

The hypocrisy of this deranged individual BitcoinGirl.Club is still at all-time gutter low. He trolls and colludes in order to attack when he wants (making new friends along the way) yet he has the tenacity to say you were colluding with me and others. He makes it up as he goes along.

Let us get one thing straight, you did nothing wrong by standing up for yourself and that is what they cannot accept. You have every right to be here in the forum in the manner you want to express yourself, none of these trolls are either superior or senior to anybody in any capacity regardless of which member registered first.

These are diversion tactics used by trolls to justify their actions. They are effectively saying they attacked you because they did not like what you wrote when you did not attack anybody. You are dealing with narcissists with egos the size of the planet Jupiter who cannot accept they are trolls and that makes your patience even more remarkable.

I have BenCodie and BitcoinGirl.Club on my ignore list because that is where they deserve to be. I occasionally take a look at their posts when they are quoted by other members, other than that I have zero interest in them or the nonsense they spout. You do not have to justify yourself to these trolls. Forget about them when they make false accusations about you.

Shishir99 the "low IQ" comment was blown way out of proportion - I called a few people who were lacking logic and clearly being proponents for the gambling section low IQ after some obviously unsound remarks.

At least they were unsound to me, and my response (other than very light insults to emphasize my thoughts on their opinion) turned into a week long thread where I had to battle members like you, JollyGood, and countless others, until I was aided by some rational members who weighed in enough to least enough to stop the nonsens and restore to that shit show of a thread of yours.

Please don't act like you are innocent in all of this because when we go back to the root of all of this drama in the reputation board, it started in your thread. Yes, you can say that "I started it because of my insults" - but that is not the root of what involved tens of members, your thread was. I never called anyone disgusting words, all of my words related to post content. They could not possibly have hurt even thin-skinned peoples feelings, and yet, you felt that you needed to make a thread about it.

There is also no irony here. The things you are comparing to say "irony" are weighted entirely differently. You are basically comparing a fire cracker (my comments to few people) to a bomb (your thread involving tens and tens of members)

I don't trust your judgement and after these posts, I don't see any reason why that should change. You clearly swap between being "genuinely curious" to adding very opinionated comments which completely violate someone who is genuinely curious, and I believe if the majority of the community sided with your thread, you'd be feeling high and mighty over what you would probably consider an accomplishment.

Disagree? Question then. Why didn't you PM me your questions instead of making a thread? I did not receive a single PM from you. This is proof of what you were aiming to achieve...and failed to achieve, may I rub in.

The fact is that if your thread went that way you wanted it to go, I would be dead in the water! Thankfully, there are still reasonable people on this forum who read my responses to your thread in full and saw where I was coming from.

Despite me having plenty of ammunition to reason my distrust for you, I will hold it all back and let all of this go. I am done with the drama once this thread is locked...until you, jollygood, or the like of you both find a new gun to aimlessly fire at myself or others for bogus and meaningless reasons - or because I have once again very lightly insulted some degenerate gamblers, scammers or people in some way related to either of these.

So do I or is there a double standard for some specific people?

I have cleared my position a couple of times and here I am doing it again. The topic was created because Cryptofrka asked not to write these things in his Merit source application thread for obvious reasons.


Please do not tie me with JollyGood. I never had interaction with him. What he was doing is exclusively related to his personal beliefs. I have seen some controversies regarding his feedback and way of judgment. I also believe he has some things to improve. Impress Rikafip? Why pick him only? I was talking about his recent behavior. He had a very bad attitude in the Whirlwind ANN thread and there were more forum users. Then he started to continue these things in other threads as well. People might exchange some words in the hit of the moment. But, when they continue doing it with a cool head, I doubt about their personality.

He has all his rights to act how he likes. I don't think you needed a topic for that. The users you wanted to protect have years of reputation on the forum. They know very well how to deal with any situation.

In that drama it seemed you and JollyGood was trying to be the baby babysitter for members like Rikafip and some others. People does not like at, it sense like you were trying to impress them.

Thanks for the reply. As I said in that thread, crptofrka asked not to continue in his thread but I wanted to ask you some questions regarding that matter. So, the option was to create a thread so I did. I also said that my intention was to have a healthy discussion about that matter. The point I have raised wasn't useless. At least in my point of view.

Your behavior has become too rude in the last couple of weeks. You may disagree with me because that questions your reputation. If that thread puts you in a stressful situation, I am sorry about it. But when someone does something wrong and you ask them about it, do you have to think if that question would put them in a stressful situation or not? How many of us care? Do you think before you insult other forum members? Your rude behavior and insults may put them in a stressful situation too. Do you really care about your actions?

When you question others' reputation and insults them = you consider it as criticism.
When others question your point of view = they put you in a stressful situation.

Irony!

That's not why either of you are in my distrust list.

Shishir99, you are in my distrust list because I don't trust your judgement, after the way you conducted yourself when you created that pointless thread which took 3 days of being on the defence until lovemyfamilis suggested you close the thread. You put me INA stressful situation, condoned other members to twist truths, therefore, I don't trust you.

As for Stalker22, I have similar reasons, not entirely the same...though to put it shortly, based on posts in that same thread and rationale shown in other topics, I don't trust their judgement either.

Obviously, you are going to disagree with me because its your judgements that I do not trust. Just like I disagree with nutildah distrusting mine. That's the way it goes though.

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Holydarkness hit the nail on the head, as did many other users.

I suppose the forum or its members weren't censored, participate in the original topics were however. BetKing being due to moderators, that's fair enough (and coincidental timing)....JollyGood on the other hand, sure, he has the right to lock his thread however locking it at a time where focus was drawing over to him, that's a censoring action. Yes, we can all make new threads to continue the discussion, though we all know that no one wants to make new threads just to respond (and if we did every time, the forum would be flooded).

I think there has been sufficient discussion. I'll lock this thread in 72 hours (feel free to leave final comments in the meantime - that way, no one feels censored )

Ok. Thank you for the response. Even if I don't know the reason, I can assume why I was distrusted by that member. There is a good quote in my local area. A girl can understand if she sees a boy looking at her. Most of the girls understand if a boy wants to impress her. They just pretend like they don't understand anything. Even if I say I don't know the reason, I can assume where it started. But I am surprised because I always try to hear others' opinions and respect most of them if not all. I did not wait for others' responses once she asked me to lock that thread, and I did. I guess that was the reason. If it's true, it's frustrating for me. Sometimes, I cannot express my thoughts due to the language barrier.