Topic: Chatbots: The Future of Scam Hunting (Read 338 times)

I don't think anybody is using chatbots to detect scams. You mean you present some posts to a chatbot and ask it, "Is this a scam?" Since this isn't what they are designed to do, I don't think the results would be of much value. This is simply another instance where its a better idea to use your own brain.


That part is nice.

I want to thank Vod for suggesting that I make a shorter reply. I used the help of a chatbot to shorten it.

1. I never claimed that I "invented the wheel" or that I'm the only one using chatbots to detect scams.
2. I want to clarify that I'm not using chatbots to cheat the system or to make a quick buck.
3. I believe chatbots can be useful in identifying potential scams, as evidenced by the flags and scam accusations I've made that received support. One of the scammers even admitted that their unlimited money generator is a scam by supporting the flag I created.
4. I don't have any solid proof to back up my claims, and I get that might raise some eyebrows. But I hope that my actions speak louder than words.
5. I didn't program the chatbot to hunt scammers; I just have it generate responses for detecting red flags and countering scammers' response. I review the chatbot's output, correct any mistakes, and ask it to generate better results.
6. Regarding the detection of my posts as AI-generated, I'm not surprised since they were actually created by AI.
7. I didn't mention the name of the chatbot I'm using to keep my word with Pmalek.
8. I believe that just as people had concerns about the impact of the printing press on society, similar concerns were raised about the use of chatbots. And I believe that as AI technology continues to develop, it will become a more common tool for everyday usage.
9. I'm here to fight scammers and help protect users from falling victim to scams.
10. I always review the chatbot's output before posting, and I never simply copy and paste its responses without reviewing them. I make sure the responses are appropriate and relevant to the conversation.
11. I'm here to fight scammers and help protect users from falling victim to scams.

Vod, I think that is a deliberate act on his part. We have seen that sort of misdirection policy before: when all else fails just write a wall of text

It seems in the opinion of the OP there is nothing redundant there at all. He views the while post as an essential part of his public created persona but what stands out is not what he wrote (or the length of the wall of text), it is the fact he is at Jr. Member rank that caught my attention. Imagine what else he would be posting if he were Hero or Legendary rank?

The thread title is misleading. I sent a query similar to the topic title to a search engine, and all the answers were the opposite. That is, it is with the help of Chatbot that nowadays it is very easy to create a scam, but not otherwise. How does the OP imagine finding scammers, especially on our forum? Giving "deep,"  meaningless answers that ultimately confuse the reader? Is this called searching? Where is the list of those scammers who were caught on this forum with his help? All I see are the merits of other people, but not the OP's. From his bot comes only blah blah, nothing more.

If I see something that looks like it was written by a robot, I'm not going to read it... My eyes glaze over and I immediately resume scrolling. The poster couldn't be bothered to write their own text, so why should I bother reading it?

Don't think you invented the wheel holydarness, Poker Player, Jollygood has been doing this for years, and for all, we know some of the output from your queries from your chatbot actually comes from the forum scam busters, we already have the right format in creating scam accusations and we have many members who are good in detecting red flags without using an AI.
Instead of using AI encourage the use of common sense.

Many people will not read long walls of text.  Try reviewing your post to remove redundant info and organize responses better. 

Thanks for the detailed response and for sharing those references! I appreciate the time you took to provide those examples.

However, I'd like to clarify that my use of AI is to detect red flags and provide arguments against scammers. I believe this is a useful contribution to the community, as it helps protect users from falling victim to scams. I understand that there may be concerns about the use of AI, but I hope we can differentiate between using it for spamming and using it for a better purpose like mine.

What are your thoughts on this? I'd love to hear your perspective.


Thanks for your response and for bringing up some good points! I get that some members might think I'm trying to divert attention from other issues in this forum, but I want to assure everyone that's not what I'm doing.

I always review the chatbot's output before posting, and I never simply copy and paste its responses without reviewing them first. I get that chatbots aren't always accurate, and I make sure the responses are appropriate and relevant before hitting "post."

Sure, I don't have any solid proof to back up my claims, and I get that might raise some eyebrows. But I hope that my actions speak louder than words.


Thanks for your response! Just wanted to clarify that I didn't program the chatbot to hunt scammers. I just asked it to generate responses that could help detect red flags and provide arguments against scammers. I review the chatbot's output, correct any mistakes, and ask it to generate better results.

I always make sure the responses are appropriate and relevant to the conversation. Sure, my use of chatbots might not always result in perfect responses, but I do my best to make sure they make sense in context.


Thanks for your response! I didn't mention the name of the chatbot I'm using to keep my word with Pmalek. But I can tell you that chatbots can be helpful in detecting potential scams - I've already made 3 flags and scam accusations that got some support.


Thanks for your response and for sharing your thoughts! I get where you're coming from, but I don't plan on joining any signature campaigns anytime soon - they don't pay enough anyway. I appreciate the suggestion, but I believe that chatbots will become a common tool for everyday usage in the future.


Thanks for your response and for sharing your thoughts! I understand where you're coming from, but I want to assure you that I'm not using chatbots to cheat the system or to make a quick buck. I want to clarify that using them to detect scammy behavior and provide arguments against scammers is very different from cheating the system. I believe chatbots will become a common tool for everyday usage in the future.


'm not using chatbots to cheat the system or to make a quick buck. I believe chatbots can be useful in identifying potential scams, as evidenced by the flags and scam accusations I've made that received support. I'm the only member who actually created threads and flags against those scammers. Furthermore, one of the scammers even admitted that their unlimited money generator is a scam by supporting the flag I created. Regarding the detection of my posts as AI-generated, I'm not surprised since they were actually created by AI.


I understand where you're coming from, and I appreciate your perspective on the use of chatbots in discussion forums. I agree that AI is a rapidly developing field, and I understand that some people might have concerns about its use in certain contexts.

I believe that just as people had concerns about the impact of the printing press on society, similar concerns were raised about the use of chatbots. I believe that as AI technology continues to develop, it will become a more common tool for everyday usage.


Thanks for your response! I agree that using AI to scam and earn money is a different manner. I also appreciate your perspective on the use of AI, and I'm glad to hear that you don't look down on those who use it to help them communicate.


Hey there, I get where you're coming from, but I'd rather not share the name of the chatbot I'm using since i made promise to another user, "Pmalek," to not advertise it. I'm here to fight scammers.

I'd also like to address the false accusation that I've literally taken down scammers or their websites. I haven't made any such claims. I've only mentioned that I use a chatbot to help me detect red flags and respond to scammers here on the forum.


Hey there, I see what you mean! What i mean is chatbot can help me and other members detect red flags, write scam accusation threads, and come up with arguments against scammers easier and quicker. Many member often just reply "scam" without going the extra mile to create a flag or write a full thread, which I hoped to change. I appreciate the mention of the Bitdefender tool.

It allows it. If you reread what I posted above you will see that I was talking about translating from other languages to English, not the other way around.


Yes, I understood you. We agree on that.

This is a completely different use of spell checkers or more precisely automatic translation tools than what I was talking about. Besides, the forum doesn't allow the use of such software. It's already against the forum rules.

Again, that's not what I had in mind. Also, you spent some time and did the work manually first. Only then did you use AI to correct and improve your content.

Think of my previous post in the following way. Someone writes a post and asks about the Lightning Network and what's the advantage of using it. You see the post, open ChatGPT and ask it "what is the Bitcoin Lightning Network and what are its advantages?" You then copy the result (partially or fully) and paste it as a reply to the user. That's not OK. It's plagiarism. That doesn't mean there aren't good use cases for ChatGPT, though. 

I think you only have a partial picture of the issue. It's not just the spell checkers, the automatic translators have allowed a lot of people who have some idea of English and wrote poorly to now put what they think in their native language into the translator and paste the translated thing to post. In some cases it is noticeable but less and less.

On the other hand, AIs don't generate everything, as you say. They can be used in a similar way to spell checkers but to check all content. I had to send an email to about 20 people of some importance the other day. I wrote the email, and when I finished it I wasn't entirely convinced. I ran it through GPT Chat 4o saying who it was addressed to and to optimize it for me. The result was very good. He changed a few things for me, but only as many as I needed.

In the same way I think you could use AIs to, for example, if you want to create a thread, you write the OP and when you finish it you tell him to optimize it. Being honest of course, and leaving a note about it.

The thing is that the anti AI sentiment is so strong on this forum that it takes the edge off for me. I use it more and more, but not in the forum.

Using spell checks or Grammarly isn't the same thing as using AI. Not everyone is fluent in English and knows the language good enough to spell without making mistakes. That's where spell checkers help. But they don't create the content for you. They only correct the mistakes you made while writing. AIs generate everything for you, and they shouldn't be allowed. If it's against the rule to copy-paste from other people, it should also be against the rules to give an AI a prompt and just copy and paste what it generated on Bitcointalk.

I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean in the context of Bitcointalk.

Sure, you can run posts through a chatbot, but downloading the posts themselves is a different matter. There is no 'scam analysis tool' that I know of, although there may be websites that provide social engineering checks inside a bunch of text (Bitdefender hosts one in case you're curious).

The OP created the thread because he had already been noticed and decided to divert the attention by stating AI was "the future of scam hunting". All he had to do was to own up to what he did and move on but he decided this thread was a better way of trying to save his account from getting tags.

What can be noted is that he never provided any details of the chatbots he uses and he did not mention the names of the alleged scammers he claims he took down online or their websites. He is most probably a farm account puppeteer that will end up giving up on this account when it has multiple ~distrusts and/or tags.

I think there is a difference between users who use spell-checkers, like Grammarly for example, to correct grammatical and spelling mistakes in posts that they have constructed by themselves, out of their own thoughts and knowledge, and someone who uses AI chatbot to generate posts for them, and all they do is copy and paste it in the forum. The latter is definitely obnoxious and reeks of laziness, but people who use the former, tend to get better in their spelling and grammar overtime.

I don't remember people disclosing that they used a spell check when that became popular.  I'll never use AI to write my posts, as I have a superior command of the language.  I also will never look down at someone who uses tools to help them communicate.

Using AI to scam and earn money is obviously a different manner.

Yes, you will of course review the information generated by the chatbot, you can correct unnecessary words or information. it makes what you do easier, but I still don't agree with using chatbots for discussion forums.

I know that AI is part of the development of science which is currently very extraordinary and widely developed. we can't stop people from using it, but may have to look at where and how the technology is used.
Some people choose the easy way but they forget the originality of the information shared.

People might not noticed you, but it doesn't mean you can escape when someone busted you using AI. Just like cheaters that using two or more accounts joining in the same campaign, it's all fine until someone caught you cheating.

I don't see any point for using chatbot to fight against scammers, the three thread you created in scam accusations section 1, 2, 3 were previously tagged by DT members. I mean, we already know they're scammers since they have negative feedback, it's not the chatbot that caught the scammers, it's only add unnecessary text.

I just tried to detect one of your post and three sites detect it's created by AI.

sapling.ai: Fake 95.9%
GPTZero: 59% Probability AI generated
Copyleaks: AI Content Detected

AI IMO is going to be a part of the world no matter if we want it or not. Kind of a deal with it situation cause it's not going away. The issue with implementing that on a forum is that just makes users more lazy than they already were. How hard is it really to make a few posts a day with your own thoughts? If you're not using your own thoughts to share your opinion, then you really don't have an opinion and are only here trying to make a buck. Shows you have 0 respect for this forum or its users.

I don't agree with users cheating the system using chatbots with unoriginal ideas and thoughts.

Using a computer keyboard instead of a typewriter is far different than using a chatbot, as the bot is doing the brunt of the thinking. The output is not from the poster, who is usually taking credit for it. If people want to use AI to write their posts for them, that's fine, but its dishonest not to let it be known from the start.

Its kind of the same thing as an artist using AI to generate an image for them and then saying "I made this myself."