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Quote from: RILWAN on January 23, 2023, 06:39:00 PM

This incident will reaffirm one fact in us and that is never to trust anyone when it comes to money-related matters, the cousin over trusted so much and the other side was disappointed and betrayed that trust, but that being said the lottery company should have demanded some form of KYC of the receivers and the winner.

Lesson learned and going forward, the lady will not trust that much again.

I wont say that i dont have trust into my family specially to the members or even into my own siblings but when it comes to money then i dont trust no one.Just like the rest been saying on here that
when it comes to money then everyone could potentially be changed up and there are lots of relations who had been destroyed because of the temptation that they do have in terms of money.
This is why its always been best that you are the ones who should claim specially if its some huge amount or jackpot because chances that you would be cheated out is high.
Dont mind much about your anonymity because it would be still leaking out.

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This incident will reaffirm one fact in us and that is never to trust anyone when it comes to money-related matters, the cousin over trusted so much and the other side was disappointed and betrayed that trust, but that being said the lottery company should have demanded some form of KYC of the receivers and the winner.

Lesson learned and going forward, the lady will not trust that much again.

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You will really know the character of a person when entrusted with a big amount of money, that's a big amount and he deliberately deceives the real winner of his winning, the winner should be partly to blame here, it a lottery win there is a way to become anonymous but not entrusting your winning to one's person even to your family, the winner should charge his cousin for fraud.
This could happen to anyone, when it comes to the lottery win, claim it yourself its a once in a lifetime jackpot not to claim it yourself.

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Quote from: macson on January 23, 2023, 11:01:44 AM

if i were am victim, i will not reconcile with that cheating cousin, unless she returns all my winnings that she has used, how about you?

In the end, we must learn to forgive.
But I agree, the victim her self made a very costly mistake which I think she shouldnt, in the world we live In today, no body can be trusted even a blood relation.
What possibly could be her reason for wanting to stay anonymous that she can't go and claim her own winning her self?
Well, I believe she learnt her lesson and so also does this teach us here as well, I am glad that in the end, she was able claim some part of the money, but some loss is still a loss though.

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Quote from: romero121 on January 23, 2023, 06:29:58 PM

Quote from: bitcampaign on January 23, 2023, 06:25:36 PM

The lesson we can take from this story is that anything that has to do with big money, never trust anyone to take care of it, even if it's our own family, it's best to take care of all money matters only for ourselves.

Few thousand dollars itself can change the mind of a person. Whether he's neighbor or close relation is secondary. What for we're living, to earn money so that we can fulfill our needs. Depending upon our earning our requirement keeps increasing, so very few will have the satisfaction. In such a situation allowing the relative to claim is a wrong decision. He believed, but she did it wrong and someday she'll get the rewards for what she had done.

Depends on the situation because there are people who doesnt really have the plans on recovering or giving it back after it had been spent out and even if they might have the plans but it wont be that something

that would take up the short time but rather the longer one.Whether you would be accepting it out or not then there's nothing you can do but at least they are really that having those plans on giving it back.
It is true that a certain person could really be changed up by some few thousands specially on a money that they havent been able to handle before and on the time that they
would be able to hold up real time or on the time that you had let them able to handle it out then sudden change of mind is really that possible.

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Quote from: bitcampaign on January 23, 2023, 06:25:36 PM

The lesson we can take from this story is that anything that has to do with big money, never trust anyone to take care of it, even if it's our own family, it's best to take care of all money matters only for ourselves.

Few thousand dollars itself can change the mind of a person. Whether he's neighbor or close relation is secondary. What for we're living, to earn money so that we can fulfill our needs. Depending upon our earning our requirement keeps increasing, so very few will have the satisfaction. In such a situation allowing the relative to claim is a wrong decision. He believed, but she did it wrong and someday she'll get the rewards for what she had done.

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The lesson we can take from this story is that anything that has to do with big money, never trust anyone to take care of it, even if it's our own family, it's best to take care of all money matters only for ourselves.

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The DA’s office said the victim asked Argueta to claim the prize on his behalf to remain anonymous

If the goal is to remain anonymous, it might be better to incorporate and create a separate legal entity to list the assets under.

There was a case years ago where a famous and well known MMA fighter (Rampage Jackson) had ownership of his house listed under his manager's name to retain anonymity.

Later after a messy break up between the two, the manager tried to steal the house, as it was listed under his name. Uncertain as to what the outcome was as it was not well publicized.

If the goal is to be anonymous a better method could be to form a S corporation or LLC (limited liability corp) to claim assets like lottery winnings under.

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Quote from: Vaskiy on January 23, 2023, 06:03:43 PM

He should've made some other plans to stay anonymous and receive the winning. This is an example, not to trust anyone in money related activities. It is common thing that people fear about winning. Recently in my country a winner stood away from his home as people keeps coming home requesting for help. At some point he went almost to a depressed state as he wasn't able to enjoy the win.

True, he can come with his relatives and let his relatives withdraw the money while he is waiting outside the office or building or he can wear a mascot's just like what we read about some lottery winner that wanted to stay unanimous.. I think the winner has gone lazy or possibly has an important matter to attend to why he can't go with his relative. I think it is the first one. Aside from that, we shouldn't trust anyone 100% when it comes t money and the story show a perfect reason for it.

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He should've made some other plans to stay anonymous and receive the winning. This is an example, not to trust anyone in money related activities. It is common thing that people fear about winning. Recently in my country a winner stood away from his home as people keeps coming home requesting for help. At some point he went almost to a depressed state as he wasn't able to enjoy the win.

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Quote from: macson on January 23, 2023, 11:01:44 AM

The valuable lesson that can be learned from the story above is that if you want to remain anonymous for your lottery winnings, do it yourself, and don't entrust money-related matters to other people ^{(even if that person is someone close to you)}

if i were am victim, i will not reconcile with that cheating cousin, unless she returns all my winnings that she has used, how about you?

Blaming the victim? There's nothing wrong with what the lottery winner did. What kind of lesson is that?

If only his shitty cousin didn't act that way, everything will be alright. Do you really think that the winner will ask a favor to his cousin to claim the big money on his behalf if he knows in the first place that something like that will happen? Therefore he trusted his cousin.

It's fine to entrust money with our relatives. There's nothing wrong with that. It's just that this case can be considered an isolated case or a different case and that situation isn't happening mostly in most parts of the world. Just unfortunate that the lottery winner experienced that rare situation.

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Quote from: Baofeng on January 23, 2023, 05:13:05 PM

It just shows that no one should trusted anyone with that kind of huge money to begin with. I don't know what the person is thinking, yeah it's good to be anonymous and whatnot, but this is money involved here, millions of dollars that you can't just entrust it to your cousins or friends.

At least he get something back, but for sure the relationship has been broken with that family member and the person might not be forgiven for what he did. So moral of the story is that you claim it yourself and then think later on how stay away from everyone who wants a free ride, hehehe.

Too bad to witness the greed of your relatives where in fact you trusted her that much in the first place.
This might be one of the worst scenario in many family and yes, when it comes to money better no to trust anyone because the tendency to become greedy is very high. Lucky to the real winner that he still get some money from the winnings, this is a wake up call to the future winners of lottery better to be more anonymous by yourself alone.

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Quote from: macson on January 23, 2023, 11:01:44 AM

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The DA’s office said the victim asked Argueta to claim the prize on his behalf to remain anonymous, promising $50,000 of the prize.

Argueta, who lived in Virginia at the time, agreed to claim the prize on the victim’s behalf and drove to New York to receive the winnings.

At the time, though, the New York State Gaming Commission was not accepting winning tickets in person, so Argueta mailed the ticket to the commission on Nov. 13, 202, instead.

Within weeks, Argueta reportedly went to deliver the NYS Lottery paperwork to her cousin, which said the price winnings totaled $20,000. Along with the paperwork, she handed her cousin an envelope with $13,436 in cash, and said the rest was held for taxes.

The victim found a press release from the NYS Lottery website saying Argueta claimed the $1 million prize and received a lump-sum payout of $537,440 after taxes, the DA’s office said.

The DA added that the victim called Argueta, who said she did not have any more money and if continued to call her, she would take legal action. In May 2022, Argueta forfeited $317,857.13 in winnings from her bank account, which were returned to the victim.

[1] https://nypost.com/2023/01/22/texas-woman-pleads-guilty-to-stealing-cousins-1-million-winning-scratch-off-ticket/

The valuable lesson that can be learned from the story above is that if you want to remain anonymous for your lottery winnings, do it yourself, and don't entrust money-related matters to other people ^{(even if that person is someone close to you)}

if i were am victim, i will not reconcile with that cheating cousin, unless she returns all my winnings that she has used, how about you?

This actually turned out to be a much more pleasant ending than you usually find in such situations. The authorities must have moved relatively fast to freeze the funds because there is many ways they could have tried to hide it if they knew what was coming. I find it ridiculous that they would hand over a winning lottery ticket or not even do the most basic level of research before doing so, then they would have known what was at stake up front. It's laziness in a way, not that the end result of theft was justified by it. I hope the person who stole the money also served a bit of jail time on top, because it still seems like they spent around 40% of the funds. There is definitely no redemption between family members after this.

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It just shows that no one should trusted anyone with that kind of huge money to begin with. I don't know what the person is thinking, yeah it's good to be anonymous and whatnot, but this is money involved here, millions of dollars that you can't just entrust it to your cousins or friends.

At least he get something back, but for sure the relationship has been broken with that family member and the person might not be forgiven for what he did. So moral of the story is that you claim it yourself and then think later on how stay away from everyone who wants a free ride, hehehe.

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Quote from: dothebeats on January 23, 2023, 11:13:49 AM

There will be no reconciliation from me if that were done to me. I don't get why people need to hand financial matters over to other people that clearly aren't professionals. No matter how closely related you guys might be, if something involves money, that blood connection is at risk of being severed due to greed and lust for money. Luckily, the winner still got more than half of the winnings, because if not then that will be a long court battle or worse, violence might ensue.

This would have been avoided if the winner traveled to collect his/her winnings and just kept a low profile.

Once money is involved, it should be taken more seriously and privately. The owner itself should deal it secretly, without letting other people to know since it can build greed and selfishness towards the money. To be honest, I find this story quite impossible because if you talk about lottery winning, it means a huge amount so you need to grab it and take it as fast as you can, being anonymous will still be possible if you keep the news only to yourself and to your family. No need to involve other people, as there’s always be possible cheating knowing the amount is very tempting.

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Quote from: macson on January 23, 2023, 11:01:44 AM

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The DA’s office said the victim asked Argueta to claim the prize on his behalf to remain anonymous, promising $50,000 of the prize.

Argueta, who lived in Virginia at the time, agreed to claim the prize on the victim’s behalf and drove to New York to receive the winnings.

At the time, though, the New York State Gaming Commission was not accepting winning tickets in person, so Argueta mailed the ticket to the commission on Nov. 13, 202, instead.

Within weeks, Argueta reportedly went to deliver the NYS Lottery paperwork to her cousin, which said the price winnings totaled $20,000. Along with the paperwork, she handed her cousin an envelope with $13,436 in cash, and said the rest was held for taxes.

The victim found a press release from the NYS Lottery website saying Argueta claimed the $1 million prize and received a lump-sum payout of $537,440 after taxes, the DA’s office said.

The DA added that the victim called Argueta, who said she did not have any more money and if continued to call her, she would take legal action. In May 2022, Argueta forfeited $317,857.13 in winnings from her bank account, which were returned to the victim.]

[1] https://nypost.com/2023/01/22/texas-woman-pleads-guilty-to-stealing-cousins-1-million-winning-scratch-off-ticket/

The valuable lesson that can be learned from the story above is that if you want to remain anonymous for your lottery winnings, do it yourself, and don't entrust money-related matters to other people ^{(even if that person is someone close to you)}

if i were am victim, i will not reconcile with that cheating cousin, unless she returns all my winnings that she has used, how about you?

The valuable lesson of the story is, anyone can be corrupted when it comes to huge money. so never trust anyone when it comes to huge money. If you have something to do, do it yourself and never entrust withdrawing a huge amount of money to anyone. They can screw you big time if they get tempted and run with your money. It is lucky for the victim that the suspect did not withdraw the whole amount and be able to salvage the remaining amount on the cousin's bank account.

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Quote from: coolcoinz on January 23, 2023, 02:51:52 PM

Money brings the worst in us so I'm not surprised that this woman stole the money. What I'm surprised about is that the victim did not check how much she had won and didn't bother to call and ask what the paid amount was to confirm it. She at least should've demanded a receipt of some sorts or a bank statement to how much was wired to her cousin. To get scammed is one thing, but to wait until there's a press release is another.

The good old bitcoin rule "do not trust, verify" suits this case well.

That is right and it is true that money is the root of evil, imagine even how close they are but yet, they scammed her cousin.
If I were in my place, I will not trust anyone to claim my price on my behalf even how close we are, I will do it myself. You can still be anonymous to anyone and protect your privacy and I think lottery owners will not disclose your identity. Here in my place, how many big jackpots hit in the local lottery but no one knows who they are not unless you also want to reveal yourself? But good thing that the fund was forfeited and returned to the real winner.

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Quote from: 348Judah on January 23, 2023, 02:47:57 PM

Quote from: uneng on January 23, 2023, 02:39:23 PM

That means she wasn't a trustful person. She could be close to him, yes, but not trustful anyway. It wouldn't have been an issue if the man had sent a reliable, honest person in his name to receive the prize. In case there wasn't anyone, then he should have gone by himself and give up his anonymity, unless it's more valuable than a half million dollars, what I really don't think so...

The thing is that no man can be easily found to be reliable to that extent when it comes to the issue of dealing with big amount of money like this, this is when the man make another new discovery of himself when he acted that way, i will blame more the winner because in life things like this shouldn't be trusted with a third party because anything can come up as show, third party dealings isn't profitable by any means.

Well, I would trust members of my family, few relatives and one friend to claim that prize if I were the winner, because I live with them for a long time already and they have given proof of character and honesty for this entire time, therefore I can't doubt them, as they didn't give me any reason for that, and I know they would trust me as well, if it were the opposite. It's hard to find people we can trust, but they do exist, and I fear without trust, life in society would be meaningless.

Like that Jebediah statue from The Simpson's TV show says: "A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man".

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Quote from: pixie85 on January 23, 2023, 03:43:24 PM

Quote from: rahmad2nd on January 23, 2023, 02:52:49 PM

I try to understand this case. also, to read the article the Op linked. in this case, it is clear on the site, Iris Amador Argueta has pleaded guilty before a judge to capitalist theft in the second degree. instead, Argueta is expected to be sentenced to 16-48 months in prison. also, returning almost more than half of the money that should have been obtained by the victim. So, this case has been resolved even though it didn't return completely.

She also lost much more by accepting the lump sum. She did not care how much it would be in installments because she wanted to close the deal ASAP and run with the money which costed the real winner at least a 100 thousand more.

These criminals are so dumb. Things like that don't go away. Sooner or later the cousin would see that they bought a new house or something and start being suspicious or someone would tell her that there was a big win and she said she won something at that time. You never steal from people close to you not only because it's savage but also because you're going to be seeing these people for many years and looking at them knowing you stole from them.

Just a clear example that greed doesn't choose the victim, whether it is your closed cousin in this case.
You can never really trust money even to close relatives or families, how much more with friends or just colleagues?
A big lesson here, if you want to remain your privacy, you can still claim the winnings but don't disclose your identity to the public.
Or post anything in public or social media. Lottery operators won't disclose the identity of their winners if they don't want to.
I am betting on the idea that Argueta will use the remaining money after her prison months are over, who knows where she stashed it?

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Quote from: Sirait on January 23, 2023, 11:35:01 AM

the story experienced by the woman in the news reminded me of the fraud that my family received and the fraudster was my father's younger brother, my father entrusted my uncle to sell his car but after more than half a year, there was no clarity about the money for selling the car As a result, my father reported his brother to the police. but unfortunately, my uncle said that he had used the money to go to a nightclub with the women, at that time my father was furious and imprisoned my uncle. from there I learned not to fully trust other people, especially gambling-winning fund.

You would never know how trustworthy a person is until you entrust money with him. Money have led to the the destruction of friendship and family ties. I have learned that if you want to sustain a relationship seperate business from informal relationship. Your friend or relation would believe that you might not take any action against him/her if your funds is misappropriated. Although this doesn't erode the fact that thier are still people that can be trusted. But if you want to remain anonymous or hide your identity, then focus on only cryptocurrency gambling because although they don't guarantee privacy, they can hide your identity to a large extent.

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