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@OP, according to chipmixer explanation:

Quote from: ChipMixer on August 21, 2019, 06:23:11 PM

It is same bug. All cases were solved by support but bug is still there.

your problem has already been solved, I suggest you do the following:

change the title of your Thread to:

"[solved] Chipmixer.com - EXIT SCAM ?!"

and then you should close the thread

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Quote from: 2double0 on August 22, 2019, 10:43:37 AM

I never said that but then such a service will only help criminals to get their tainted Bitcoins or BTC gained through criminal activities shuffled by them and have them saved. I bet they currently have the choice of helping out in such cases as they have got all the details in the end like transaction timestamps, id's and everything as well as the transactions that they sent? No?

Exactly what Adolfin said above. Also, WHO decides who are criminals? The government? So, basically you want ChipMixer and any other mixer to be a honeypot for the gov? If they say someone is a criminal, they should just save and handle them everything about the user, otherwise they get shutdown? Why the heck would anyone even use a mixer if they basically work for the gov?

And no. They don't have all the details because they don't save their costumers data. That's the entire point of a mixer.

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Quote from: 2double0 on August 22, 2019, 10:43:37 AM

Quote from: TryNinja on August 22, 2019, 10:24:08 AM

Quote from: 2double0 on August 22, 2019, 10:18:21 AM

They should care for it or they will end up grabbed by laws and shut down - my personal views as I have seen some good mixers being shut by not abiding by the laws, though I know CM knows their job better and they are my personal favorite.

Yeah man, they will also probably just implement KYC to avoid getting shut down by the gov, right? Rofl.

I never said that but then such a service will only help criminals to get their tainted Bitcoins or BTC gained through criminal activities shuffled by them and have them saved. I bet they currently have the choice of helping out in such cases as they have got all the details in the end like transaction timestamps, id's and everything as well as the transactions that they sent? No?

Which is a slippery slope, and something that would make Chipmixer totally untrustworthy. What's next, you want Chipmixer to give every Bitcoin coming from Casinos, Darknet markets, bounty campaigns (yes most of those can be considered illegal too, and non-registered exchanges (yobit)) to authorities?

The same analogy that you're using on Chipmixer can also be used on the service you're advertising:
The service you're advertising with "No KYC verification" will also only help out criminals who are looking to cash out their "hacked" Ethereum, and yours is even worse considering it's a gateway to real money, whereas Chipmixer is simply a shuffler. Why are they not introducing forced KYC on every customer like LocalBitcoins does?

Besides, even if they would help authorities out, it would still be useless, as it won't sway their opinion of them, namely what you described; them being a service for criminals.

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Quote from: TryNinja on August 22, 2019, 10:24:08 AM

Quote from: 2double0 on August 22, 2019, 10:18:21 AM

They should care for it or they will end up grabbed by laws and shut down - my personal views as I have seen some good mixers being shut by not abiding by the laws, though I know CM knows their job better and they are my personal favorite.

Yeah man, they will also probably just implement KYC to avoid getting shut down by the gov, right? Rofl.

I never said that but then such a service will only help criminals to get their tainted Bitcoins or BTC gained through criminal activities shuffled by them and have them saved. I bet they currently have the choice of helping out in such cases as they have got all the details in the end like transaction timestamps, id's and everything as well as the transactions that they sent? No?

Quote from: TryNinja on August 22, 2019, 10:24:08 AM

Quote from: 2double0 on August 22, 2019, 10:18:21 AM

Sorry if I sound wrong as well as for the 'speculation' as I didn't knew about the bug.

That's why you read to first understand what is going on, and then join the discussion. Otherwise, you don't know all the facts, so how can you opine?

For which I have already asked your apology. Can't do more than this.

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Quote from: 2double0 on August 22, 2019, 10:18:21 AM

They should care for it or they will end up grabbed by laws and shut down - my personal views as I have seen some good mixers being shut by not abiding by the laws, though I know CM knows their job better and they are my personal favorite.

Yeah man, they will also probably just implement KYC to avoid getting shut down by the gov, right? Rofl.

Quote from: 2double0 on August 22, 2019, 10:18:21 AM

Sorry if I sound wrong as well as for the 'speculation' as I didn't knew about the bug.

That's why you read to first understand what is going on, and then join the discussion. Otherwise, you don't know all the facts, so how can you opine?

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Quote from: TryNinja on August 22, 2019, 09:50:11 AM

Quote from: 2double0 on August 22, 2019, 09:46:45 AM

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Why should they care? They are not tracking nor analyzing their users. If you want to discuss this, open your own thread.

Also, read the replies before posting stuff (all of the guys above). I already linked a reply from ChipMixer that said the user didn't receive his coins due to a bug and that they gave him his coins. No need to keep speculating like no one knew what happened. Learn to read first, post later.

They should care for it or they will end up grabbed by laws and shut down - my personal views as I have seen some good mixers being shut by not abiding by the laws, though I know CM knows their job better and they are my personal favorite. Sorry if I sound wrong as well as for the 'speculation' as I didn't knew about the bug.

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Quote from: 2double0 on August 22, 2019, 09:46:45 AM

On a very different note than OP, I want to ask you that if you are offering a service that is usable Independently by anyone, how can they keep a watch on people who are using their services to tumble the coins for a criminal cause? If it is brought to their attention then I don't think that Chipmixer guys are the ones who will favor the guy. I have used their services once and I can say that they are punctual at doing their job properly. This thing that OP is facing might be due to them having issues with what happened and so they could be stopping users for some time till their services resume to work normally.

Why should they care? They are not tracking nor analyzing their users. If you want to discuss this, open your own thread.

Also, read the replies before posting stuff (all of the guys above). I already linked a reply from ChipMixer that said the user didn't receive his coins due to a bug and that they gave him his coins. No need to keep speculating like no one knew what happened. Learn to read first, post later.

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Quote from: sheenshane on August 22, 2019, 04:31:41 AM

Quote from: MbakNarti on August 22, 2019, 12:47:49 AM

I believe is just some technical problem on their system...

One of the possible reason maybe they are having a technical problem these few days, and I suspected that because on this topic that they are facing now. It is bad for their reputation to help scammer on Binance tumbled on chipmixer. I don't if $200 worth of bitcoin will enough for them to exit scam that Op accusing(probably not).
Anyway OP, are you sure that you are in the right link of chipmixer? or you are fall in a phishing site?

On a very different note than OP, I want to ask you that if you are offering a service that is usable Independently by anyone, how can they keep a watch on people who are using their services to tumble the coins for a criminal cause? If it is brought to their attention then I don't think that Chipmixer guys are the ones who will favor the guy. I have used their services once and I can say that they are punctual at doing their job properly. This thing that OP is facing might be due to them having issues with what happened and so they could be stopping users for some time till their services resume to work normally.

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Quote from: MbakNarti on August 22, 2019, 12:47:49 AM

I believe is just some technical problem on their system...

One of the possible reason maybe they are having a technical problem these few days, and I suspected that because on this topic that they are facing now. It is bad for their reputation to help scammer on Binance tumbled on chipmixer. I don't if $200 worth of bitcoin will enough for them to exit scam that Op accusing(probably not).
Anyway OP, are you sure that you are in the right link of chipmixer? or you are fall in a phishing site?

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OP please change title's thread because that sounds very unfair. Their strategy never was to scam people, otherwise they would do everything differently. They decided to be a fair mixer and get very famous name like bitmixer, now they are really leaders.
There are a lot of reasons why they won't do exit scam, let's start:
1. They are very famous and you know what kind of transactions usually are made through mixers, so their exit scam is huge alarm which they don't want to be turned.
2. Mixer is an amazing automatic profit machine.
3. Scam will be only with huge, huge amount of money and it's still subject of doubt, does some bitcoins worth more than free life?
4. Still a lot of reasons.

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Quote from: agreen99 on August 20, 2019, 02:15:27 AM

I sent 0.02 (200$+) bitcoins to ChipMixer.com , and after payment confirmed, I "only" received 0.00BTC ... this is what the site says. I tried to contact admin, but he is not responding.

LMAO, why they want to exit scam with just bringing $200?
Chipmixer is one of the most popular crypto mixers in this crypto world, they already doing a million-dollar transaction in crypto.
I believe is just some technical problem on their system...

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Quote from: 1Referee on August 21, 2019, 04:18:08 PM

I'm taking a guess here, but it's very likely operated by just one person with also other things on his mind. This isn't a traditional business and there is always a risk to ANY centralized entity you send coins to that things can go wrong. I'm confident that ChipMixer will sort it out as usual, but it requires some patience in this case.

This case reminds me of; https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/solved-chipmixer-took-my-bitcoins-1btc-5173144 where ChipMixer admitted that the error was on their side and as expected the user got his funds.

That was the case again.

Quote from: ChipMixer on August 21, 2019, 06:23:11 PM

It is same bug. All cases were solved by support but bug is still there.

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Quote from: AdolfinWolf on August 21, 2019, 08:55:26 AM

I do agree with you though, this is not something that should happen, and chipmixer should give clarity faster about your issue, and whether it's a fault on their end, or yours.

I'm taking a guess here, but it's very likely operated by just one person with also other things on his mind. This isn't a traditional business and there is always a risk to ANY centralized entity you send coins to that things can go wrong. I'm confident that ChipMixer will sort it out as usual, but it requires some patience in this case.

This case reminds me of; https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/solved-chipmixer-took-my-bitcoins-1btc-5173144 where ChipMixer admitted that the error was on their side and as expected the user got his funds.

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Quote from: agreen99 on August 21, 2019, 07:58:07 AM

3 days passed and no response from them .... Huh

I think you can PM DarkStar_ about this thread who is the campaign manager of Chipmixer for years,he might have other contacting options other than this forum.

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Quote from: agreen99 on August 21, 2019, 07:58:07 AM

3 days passed and no response from them .... Huh

Why don't you open a scam accusation thread against them - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0

I think you believe it yourself that they cannot do this, so wait for their response. Ask yourself, a service that spent more than BTC200 and still spending each week through their campaign would scam you for your 2 cents? Yes, BTC0.02 is 2 cents for them calling their loyalty towards their services so far.

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Quote from: agreen99 on August 21, 2019, 07:58:07 AM

3 days passed and no response from them .... Huh

Where/How did you try to contact them?

Did you send an email to

Code:

[email protected]

If so, try to wait a bit longer, as it looks like they've been offline for the last couple of days. https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/chipmixer-1003345

I do agree with you though, this is not something that should happen, and chipmixer should give clarity faster about your issue, and whether it's a fault on their end, or yours.

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3 days passed and no response from them .... Huh

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Quote from: arbiter5 on August 20, 2019, 02:31:06 AM

If ChipMixer would ever do an exit scam, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't scam something as small as 0.02.

Maybe they REALLY don't like this user so decided to take the opportunity to deprive him of his money and throw in the towel at the same time.

Other than that voice one's concern and wait for them to address it. Every case I've seen mentioned on here got sorted in the end.

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Quote from: agreen99 on August 20, 2019, 02:15:27 AM

I sent 0.02 (200$+) bitcoins to ChipMixer.com , and after payment confirmed, I "only" received 0.00BTC ... this is what the site says. I tried to contact admin, but he is not responding.

Are you serious? You are accusing a million dollar company of exit scam for just because you don't get your 0.02 BTC?
I tell you, I've been using the site from time to time and I never face a single problem, I did transaction higher that 0.02 btc and I really trust them.

Don't rush into conclusion, just post a complete information with evidence so you will be help here, I'm pretty sure this problem will be solve easily.

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Quote from: arbiter5 on August 20, 2019, 02:31:06 AM

If ChipMixer would ever do an exit scam, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't scam something as small as 0.02.

I am not saying they are exit scamming, however if they were, they would not scam only one person. They would very likely scam many people who are trusting them with coin, and who will trust them with coin shortly after the exit scam starts.

I dont believe merely not crediting an account is a sign of exit scamming. I think it would be more likely this is a customer service issue as others have indicated.

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