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I'd be the worst scammer in history Tongue 

I've used my Net Nick that could EASILY identify me, because I joined to be part of this community. There is only 1 DobZombie on the internet (seriously, check it out! Cheesy)  I wanted to be easily found so people will trust me, especially if I decide to start some kind of bitcoin business in the future.

Also, the "ARE YOU SERIOUS" quote wasn't aimed at you, it was just a general statement to communicate "OH MAN WHATAFUKINKNOB HE SCAMMED US DAMMIT!"

Tongue

So...who's next in this game?
legendary
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"Geez I'm dense"? DobZombie denying responsibility a-priory? Witch hunt anybody? DobZombie for SCAMMER-tag?

Are you serious.

A little bit, yes Smiley

Hey, DobZombie, if I had the feeling you would suicide in shame now, I would apologize but I don't, so yes, I really do consider it possible that you are in some connection to Jakers. I would have to check if we had some penalty for the last one to hold the coin but I'm writing this more in a popcorn mood than in anger over some scammers.

Marking all as scammers that don't repair the damage would be a tougher rule that we did not decide on. At least not in the OP and that's what counts.

Maybe we should start over with 10Ƀ, with the above rule that all get marked scammers that don't repair the damage done by subsequent scammers. This might get escrows into play.
legendary
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For the record, I recived 2.07811815 and passed on 2.08  Grin

Feel free to add such information for each transaction or just for yours.

For the record: The list of transactions is by no means consistent or complete. It was just all the stuff me and others felt worthy to be mentioned.
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So I'm going to send on the original BTC1 to keep this thing going!

I want a new address to send these off to!

Otherwise I can send it back to Garr255 and this will all be over.  I would rather we see this thing to the end and Garr255 gets his BTCBTCBTC from the long way round Cheesy

so I'm going to post this as a reminder so people like me don't include people like Jakers (Fkn what a crusty vag hole that guy is  Angry)

Only "Full members" and above can participate, just to avoid someone creating an account to steal the coin
Does not apply to Garr255 verified Alpacas.
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"Geez I'm dense"? DobZombie denying responsibility a-priory? Witch hunt anybody? DobZombie for SCAMMER-tag?

Are you serious.  God damn it! I thought something like this would happen to me.  I'll run you through what happened...

I noticed this thread and thought it would be fun...

FIRE AWAY!

1Zombi5KpntBBFfm9FngsYhsiR4QAmfce

Then...


After waiting for an address to send to I've posted...

Status: 35 confirmations
Date: 14/01/2013 03:02
From: unknown
To: 1Zombi5KpntBBFfm9FngsYhsiR4QAmfce (own address, label: ! Vanity address #1)
Credit: 3.6695 BTC
Net amount: +3.6695 BTC
Transaction ID: a33d0be4ad0da3a79a294b5c39e4f0cdcf08ea557481b87d2a8f0d6803b1faef


Okay, who's next? Cheesy

Jakers then said...


He had pointed to a post from several hours earlier.

It was then 36 Hours after the original
Okay, who's next? Cheesy
that I've realised that the address was there AGES ago.

I've then said...

Geez I'm DENSE

As a reference to the fact I was a bit slow in noticing that. Then posted...

Status: 0/unconfirmed, broadcast through 7 nodes
Date: 15/01/2013 21:05
To: 1K4pjMGTntWFvsaTbMhq5BJ7DVSbrpm86G
Debit: -3.6695 BTC
Net amount: -3.6695 BTC
Transaction ID: 585e232888d9ea5f31460ce2bdbeba5458365ed6d9ef4c9b86171706f890b33a

Done Smiley


My bit was done... OR SO I THOUGHT  Undecided

I came back to check on the thread about a week ago to see what was happening.  Whilst scrolling down I noticed...

This is getting a bit dangerous tbh. Awesome nonetheless, but dangerous.

If I can play I'll tag-team with someone - 14vCb4rr1SdWFLDFgW4NMUbodPYqcCoRm2

If not ignore this Tongue


Too young, sorry.

I don't like that some people increase the amount. I hope the OP gets a reward for starting this and I hope that somebody does a sweet analysis of how much fees were paid on average, median, max and how fast the fastest 2-hops or 3-hops were etc. If we finally hit a scammer, it would take weeks until we finally decide the coins are lost and the focus would be on that one black sheep. This "circle" is not a group of trustworthy people as our dear pirate proofed so lets focus on what else this experiment can proof.

Jakers, as much as I like the name, I do agree you're a bit of a risk at the moment. Thanks for checking things out though, man.

giszmo, interesting thought. You know, I think the reason this experiment has survived through any scammers is because of the simple ratio of risk to reward. Any ill intentioned person who has taken the time to get up to "Full Member" or above simply just doesn't believe 1-4BTC is enough to lose their reputation for. In a way, even if you have plans of stealing, being apart of this game and playing legitimately may be seen as the investment in a greater opportunity. Really I think the only way we could "prove" things is if we upped the amount, or did an amount like 1 BTC for younger users like Jakers. Think we might get scammed out more often but also learn more from the experiment. Would be especially interesting to analyze the situations where scams do occur and try to learn what signs are there are to spot would be swindlers.

Maybe some of the followers of this thread already feed some scammer account to jump in when it's worth doing so. We are now 2/3rd through the game and it's likely the reward for scamming will be 10Ƀ later on. Maybe I'm one of them trying to save my stash from cheaper scammers Wink

Most likely it's 5h of work to feed an account to 100 posts and some users already have their sock puppet troll accounts that they can just as well make famous and start over.

My conclusion is more that 99% of all humans are trustworthy but 1% are capable of making huge damage. These 1% might not really care about 4Ƀ. These 1% are the reason we need rules and all kind of regulation – a society basically.


Some of the forums I've been on have over 1000 pages of scammer reports. It's actually quite sad, like wth you wouldn't do that in real life would you? I guess people think it's different when it's over a computer screen  Cry

I was like hmmmm.

I added this thread to my watchlist and then saw this tonight...



that is, i think, the first time in my internet life (which goes back to the late 80's, mind you) i've posted a meme picture in a forum...

And was then like FARRRK.

So my solution will be... (READ NEXT POST)
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Well, looks like the scammer ran with it. We can still move on if someone sends some coins to this guy...

...

If not, I'm out 1btc, but it was a fun experiment. Thanks to everyone who participated Smiley

Huh? A while ago I offered to give someone a loan while they repurchased the coins and you said that it went against the spirit of the experiment. Did that change?

edit... Oh, it wasn't you, it was Fjordbit.
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legendary
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Witch hunting is too tempting, sorry.

How likely is it that DobZombie meets Jakers in several totally unrelated threads within Jakers first 100 posts?
[2,968,775]Difficulty Discussion Thread [TRENDING ↑] by DobZombie
Re: If you're thinking buying mining hardware, read this first
legendary
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We shouldn't have been sending $80 to people with accounts less than one month old

We?
You could argue that sending is in the responsibility of the person sending as else I could always send to my sock puppet even if the others doubt this to be a good idea. I'm pretty sure I brought up this scenario in this thread. Also we had discussed accounts younger than that game.

Geez I'm DENSE

Status: 0/unconfirmed, broadcast through 7 nodes
Date: 15/01/2013 21:05
To: 1K4pjMGTntWFvsaTbMhq5BJ7DVSbrpm86G
Debit: -3.6695 BTC
Net amount: -3.6695 BTC
Transaction ID: 585e232888d9ea5f31460ce2bdbeba5458365ed6d9ef4c9b86171706f890b33a

Done Smiley
"Geez I'm dense"? DobZombie denying responsibility a-priory? Witch hunt anybody? DobZombie for SCAMMER-tag?

To be honest I expected the experiment to "fail" and just wondered how long the scammers would wait. I would suggest to keep the witch hunt out of this thread and draw our conclusions. For me the experiment was a success and would be interested in:
How long did it take (min/max/avg/median/sum) from player joining to him getting the coin.
How much did we pay in fees (min/max/avg/median/sum).
How many people actually were labeled scammers later (currently at least 4! unfortunately scammers also delete their posts so I can't check on all of the list)

And here is the updated list:
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 ID NICK               RECEIVED BY                        POST_ID_AND_COMMENTS
  1 Garr255            189JHV6KPzvnPmjYCGPbvMMmZUWppere7h #2
  2 the joint          17EVRSvdPJGhk7uKHCpY9ghnWnx7j3pPAs #3
  3 sadpandatech       13YmfB6TeLzyCdnwsVZ5MdYVCLnfm5eNGF #4
  4 nimda              1KiZGitw2zEr4uPzZsT7dh7F6e5yoKGvE7 #5
  5 Al the Alpaca      1EWRJ5BeibZxMguujPLzqM8WWiHpFJtLLx #6
  6 pirateat40         1CR5BadHQt8wd4t98mE4rw9hUfSGQ4ZGDg #19 <- SCAMMER
  7 rjk                17qypELtTKqr716m937wLWbapnFG6i4fyZ #20
  8 NothinG            1BjMLLGrwYk3hrcnSqEUEeGchkx9tiykfY #21
  9 PatrickHarnett     1KwECAhJGr8BPGgn6mezf5Z3jT7vG1HaAZ #27 <- SCAMMER
 10 pekv2              12NcNYb2oEh6ANo95AakEjPqQdgbcxh4m9 #32
 11 unclemantis        12kM9BocNb5zSG7RMKp9wPxopK5NpayrMZ #33
 12 mb300sd            1HVmv5EtQZtcsFfXe6Crz972BrB1MwsNCM #38
 13 rudrigorc2         1MSPwixhqiwMLXxw3WXtNjg2nst6qVWhCX #43
 14 Brunic             16Hz2xA4NmAp4CU3Mr9aJy8H9D5XqXupHG #48
 15 fatigue            1Fj4QZbavJeKfagjDqUPFqQ4iJ4bHqFAMG #51
 16 Phraust            15UJrPbxd6ULPJaxASUoWUp6xc473T7mww #87
 17 adamstgBit         15nutdfqcS38hXdZoL7LNz5wBt8Aq4wCUT #88
 18 bluefirecorp       1PsQ8qFp6ZY94gXvFLP4cqcmoLQSDCqLJc #89
 19 Drakahn            1C1UMHsdPxgsWGWBhdaTC47kibJjFgWnhb #90
 20 Gladamas           1FVySmZNZ6LUvz1mKkt9zgRWjBzvkM4Roh #91
 21 phantitox          1GtGFJskG47Q6Q1NFsfMLWfNV9ivabbyab #92
 22 John (johnthedong) 1Cm2ymVqiHA42jv31rtyze684oWTDkreza #97 instawallet addy, DON't REUSE
 23 Keefe              1BZy1xxwcxQyRZErcYUFke72TSU7cV5Ptf #106
 24 Otoh               1G5apmPvo2iTtmkNWAHTCET7Y842Ufijs8 #109
 25 [Tycho]            1VayNert3x1KzbpzMGt2qdqrAThiRovi8  #74
 26 Dalkore            12SSYCcvaHadm8Myxb3mUTzyv96VNhyzeZ #66
 27 payb.tc            14no5MUE4ur2gyyEE3BHpHhV82gKm8NLbH #132
 28 damnek             17xbiU6EWdaf74rmwxPv9AQZc1MeKMWh5n #114
 29 Tril               1Xgeo7EQgrk22paxmKVrhNVSmauczL6EE  #116
 30 Scott J            18UVSvCAb6QGjPSdiXxveeu56ujmu3kTt4 #117
 31 honest bob         14x3n2ntSAGN4gGvGoLhi6NbUuuoWwvfdL #139
 32 giszmo             1KLYFWyv5aeci2PwJQs9aTRN1JRzDDL96o #142
 33 arklan             1F4j4Lha8BjL4wxwFVbGaQwMJ4Kd1brfXb #144
 34 dooglus            1BooBz2AEwUd6JepB7NhNsnAe58Q6obpcu #157
 35 riX                155gBnpiBQcpnP6coTX6V7znSK3G73uNjK #158
 36 RyNinDaCleM        1Bgi9fX1TD9cnuzBvWGLfm7D7sNVEq96UU #173
 37 hongus             1APyqdvGMvjfEMPKCo3oHSJ4CkJuXhTCy1 #238
 38 flatfly            1337sfeChyyzZLzdHLewXzcaAaJSNTM893 #243
 39 URSAY              1MzjNVW8z5SuMsGPgQfWZoyKaxsc1VkLXh #248
 40 nckrazze           111mamKazi1ofZ854rKTcAxhTVuGDPhhL  #257 <- SCAMMER
 41 TYDIRocks          1PowhrA8kxnn9UBj2ESg7GQzkwTpcg44zm #272
 42 Gyrsur             1FSfmWAMUsuBzUTrXgKaTE9TsSjJw1knvw #274
 43 OneEyed            1MJS3FuUrWmyfvvRnm5gUYvpuFkYDzxCP4 #277
 44 Namworld           14x36ktcNuf3CNrkVH1XY7vXwGHb9mCZwF #281
 45 augustocroppo      161gEQewAVp6CFnoY5198vHchrbWLQytG7 #284
 46 CornedBeefHash     1FvXoLCFmmRTAHJv5xMZLoMoeKBJHMCLnY #291
 47 theboss            1EQfkKVZndiesJcwThRe5AAq15dZ56mZku #293
 48 Maidak             14bsB5cugXFYaVZWsuoEYABd9gvkowv42a #296
 49 scintill           1jCU7tevhLNaY3nDL4tinNu8NuSzDtwKh  #299
 50 chrisrico          1Mn7mjk69WJY85Ukwd4sFSRMALokoni13L #301
 51 jasinlee           1AvxDf5WPWvrUgLsPLpb6a8mYsPXNYxNMr #304  +.01BTC
 52 fabrizziop         1MFfixQTJJ4v2PUKrz5kotQq1dPSJFUA71 #311 +.0001BTC
 53 sethsethseth       1K42vUtvmg8hW6M6UjubCFhmJLv4jLby4C #314
 54 Spenzert           19nPdToTaAh2jVUuotaiDhPBxcPLuLEuXD #319 signed his message, +.0001BTC
 53 sethsethseth       1K42vUtvmg8hW6M6UjubCFhmJLv4jLby4C #322 <- keeping it in place of #54
 55 Fjordbit           1KZnfWkXXLdEjvQKYALbEsjbeWpvSG9NWB #328 +.0001BTC
 56 danieldaniel       17QAPwXnqXX771j2CB7y2ahuoX76X4aipv #340
 57 caffeinewriter     13373CuvtwQGgDWYv28pm3mTxy2bGS5U4D #342
 58 stan.distortion    13TasmL5GRp27JfbuTpGBAx1iDYyygb4gP #356
 59 MKEGuy             12Zu56v2CENZREzQnaEia37CeBEEDG96fK #358
 60 ianbakewell        1Q1k2uTUZ1ZSSufH2w9xnCnPPzC1QmreEa #371
 61 squall1066         1ES9YKx3RHSsFLsGAKJva4cG8W7xG4kHok #373 "Rounded up to 2.27BTC"
 62 Gavin Andresen     12r6DPnX5TNK4PhnTiShmuK6o4jE8Yh28C #377 "rounded up to 3.11 BTC (because eleven is my favorite number)"
 63 dreamwatcher       1JYMASNzjSPhQZi6zjpb2duBLo3wXPSWLj #380 "Upped it to 3.5 BTC"
 64 lightlord          13cjE1VDsiF5SjFEt5kg2izYmcvUmpwTi5 #381
 65 kwoody             1CvU9yqNQHKLHVrJnwgVQcoUJ9GfUzS8Ad #382 "Sent 3.66666420 to Carlos L."
 66 Carlos L.          18zSd8Ra4bioqQAfSVMqr8J6MtaY58xA31 #388
 67 x0Jakeyboy0x       1JvRuTLAo3hMbEqEDZ5V6V9YbvhjbfhkuX #391
 68 novusordo          1novusxwhCh11QyXp1Jj3e6hdhk6qZZ3E  #406
 69 BTCGOLD            18VumBd2W89yYGXMQCF9z8SZj7bG93EGqC #409
 71 CurbsideProphet    1GKv7EnAABx9wk1CnE6Xqa2rATm17JHtQS #411 "Received 3.67BTC"
 72 nethead            1NqcmfCCz1bsFjJaYxhnkbcfaZS7C9a5z2 #414 "3.6695 recieved"
 73 DobZombie          1Zombi5KpntBBFfm9FngsYhsiR4QAmfce  #418 "Geez I'm dense"
 74 Jakers             14vCb4rr1SdWFLDFgW4NMUbodPYqcCoRm2 #401 <-- currently has coins <- SCAMMER
########## ########## ########## ########## ########## ########## ########## ####------ ---------- ----------
sr. member
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We shouldn't have been sending $80 to people with accounts less than one month old
legendary
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What's a GPU?
Haha, that's funny  Cheesy

Received from you, thanks! Who's next?

Pot's at 3.95000554 BTC, who's up for having a raffle or a contest at the end of this to see who gets the added BTC?

Well, looks like the scammer ran with it. We can still move on if someone sends some coins to this guy...

I'll play.

1BYJKxpntNn6TZbM5M5CWkEb8vr8vDcBrr


I forward the coin to the next person?

If not, I'm out 1btc, but it was a fun experiment. Thanks to everyone who participated Smiley
legendary
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that is, i think, the first time in my internet life (which goes back to the late 80's, mind you) i've posted a meme picture in a forum...
legendary
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Away on an extended break
legendary
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That coin is probably the most jaundiced, scummy coin on all the internets by now. Ewwwww  Tongue
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I'll play.



1BYJKxpntNn6TZbM5M5CWkEb8vr8vDcBrr


I forward the coin to the next person?
legendary
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Hahahhaha  Cheesy

Received! Who's next?

Pot's at 3.95000554 BTC, we should have a contest at the end for all the extra BTC or a raffle  Grin

well, I think Garr255 deserves the extra Ƀs.

I'm against increasing the amount and I fee like if you make it a raffle, people get more motivated to chip in more coins. If Garr255 gets them, people might be less eager to pile up a fortune as it now looks very likely that this experiment succeeds (unless some scammers already line up to offer their kind help once we pass the #90, but these should be aware of not being alone so hopefully this dilemma of not knowing when to strike would have made all the scammers show up before their respective competition which in turn would mean, there were no scammers lined up so far Smiley ).
legendary
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This is an excellent way to further associate usernames with addresses (and subsequently groups of addresses unless one is careful to purposefully make themselves anonymous).

Interesting..!  Not something I would care about, but I suppose some people would.
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Haha, that's funny  Cheesy

Received from you, thanks! Who's next?

Pot's at 3.95000554 BTC, who's up for having a raffle or a contest at the end of this to see who gets the added BTC?

 
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Geez I'm DENSE

Status: 0/unconfirmed, broadcast through 7 nodes
Date: 15/01/2013 21:05
To: 1K4pjMGTntWFvsaTbMhq5BJ7DVSbrpm86G
Debit: -3.6695 BTC
Net amount: -3.6695 BTC
Transaction ID: 585e232888d9ea5f31460ce2bdbeba5458365ed6d9ef4c9b86171706f890b33a

Done Smiley
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