Topic: Citizenship Amendment Bill and NRC - Good or bad for India? (Read 571 times)

See this video this is how everything begun : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUTnc9kqLuA

You can see even the minister publicly admits that we will be patient until trump leaves India and after than police stay away we will clear everything.More than 40 people were killed by RSS supporters alias MODI ji believers and injured 200+ till now.You can see the real happenings on social media videos on that RSS people got pistols in hand and shooting random protestants and killing them in frong of police and para military forces just because they were under control of MODI ji Government.

If you are a human then you won't say everything is good now.

What happened? Can you elaborate?

^I had seen local news covering the frauds related to EVMs after polling day on which the box used to lock the machines got changed after polled day itself so there is something happening beyond general public attention.

And also did you ever seen a news that even there is zero vote polled for some election candidate but do you think that they will vote for other candidates.

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India become highly corrupted since we got independence and both ruled and ruling party did damage to nation because there is no third big opposition party in our country.

Akram have you ever witnessed an election using EVM's during the polling stage and the counting stage. Especially after the introduction of VVPATs? People who claim that EVMs can be tampered are simply misinformed and are underestimating the honesty of the millions of general Indians of all races, religions and classes that oversee the election process. They also over-estimate the ruling govts ability to somehow rig the counting results.

If rigging really can happen, then it can happen only at the final publishing stage. Though, even that process is pretty much instant and verifiable/ transparent to all stakeholders. By harping on EVM's to target BJP's politics, the opposition is simply shirking the responsibility for being a shitty opposition. The problem in our country today is not EVM's, but the fact that the oldest party in India is being run by an imbecile fool who has the leadership skills of a 12 year old. And i swear i have seen 12 year olds with better presence of mind and leadership abilities.

That fucking idiot is hoisted on a party of congressmen supported by this sycophantic family structure. What we need is a solid opposition. The problem is nobody really seems to have any interest or the conviction of ethics behind their actions. If you are a leftist/ minority/ anti-saffron (by habit), then stop targeting BJP and set your own house straight. Tell your fucking leaders to actually lead and remove that moron Rahul Gandhi. The party of giants like Lajpat Rai, Nehru, Indira Gandhi (despite all the damage she did) is being run by this fucker who lives only for his regular timeouts at foreign locales. And no, leaders like Kanhaiya and Khalid will not cut it because they simply don't have an inclusive agenda and are too deeply affected by their victim mentalities to actually do anything. All they can do is rouse a crowd to abuse BJP/ Modi and question the integrity of our society and country.

Know this, Abusing Modi, Blaming EVM's, Calling righists Gaumutra drinkers on twitter, doling out sophisticated English satire WILL NOT dent the BJP's politics. We need leaders who have the conviction of their ethics.

Has there been independent reviews and research in to their safety? If they can be hacked then they can be manipulated so there should be an independent review in to their functionality at least.

Everything is good, just have faith over MODI . What you guys did in New Delhi is definitely heinous .

Germany banned EVMs,Netherland banned EVMs,UK,USA and the list goes on.These countries banned EVMs in election because it can be easily tampered that is the real fact.

You are talking about MLA election? the figures included for them as well and panchayat election still uses ballot paper.

EVMs are safe... Let's keep this aside... The public is voting for what it embodies, minority oppression and majoritarianism; sprinkled with Fake VIKAS.


P.S.
The rest of those EVMs were bought by State Election Commissions for various Local Body elections.

Definitely yes!

And also another fact,there is only two companies producing EVM for Indian election commission.They mentioned 200k EVMs were created until 2019 but only 40-50% were bought by the election commission of India then who bought the remaining manufactured EVMs.

Would you say getting rid of EVMs is the best thing to do? That might make things better for those that want to have more transparency?

Another big chaotic situation in Delhi now and government claims policemen were attacked by the protestants and one got killed while many are in serious injuries.But I can see videos on that some guys roam around the streets with pistols in Hand and shooting random people who gave them such powers,just because they are part of RSS.

The model of policing in India has always been exclusionary and oppressive since it is a colonial legacy till date, we have had multiple reforms suggested be it the Padmanabhaiah Committee on Police Reforms or the SC view in Prakash Singh Case.

Police acts as a fiefdom of the political party and imposes its ideology in their actions, hence the resulting action.

Also, no political party is ready to give police autonomy to act in consonance with the rules of the land; be it the BJP, Congress or even Left govt in Kerala.

But its heart breaking to see our policemen who act like paid rowdies from government who doesn't even show any mercy to women and kids while charging and beating them even when every protestant keep doing their protest in peaceful way.

EVMs cannot be hacked under the current system, I know ppl who handle them during the elections. The only thing possible is proxy voting, i.e. putting in votes for ppl who were absent from the booth.

Apart from this let me state, BJP is simply using the policy of Divisiveness to further it's agenda of a narrow North Indian Brahmin Manuvadi Hindu Rashtra... It's not even inclusive for Hindus of all shades...

CAA is a discriminatory law, I do not oppose the basis on which it stands, but I do oppose the current form (similarly I do not oppose reservations, but I do oppose the current form; even EWS is flawed), NRC will be a totally useless exercise which will push millions to the brink of abject poverty and statelessness. I do not agree with the individuals who posted stating that we shud not protest the laws, but wait for Supreme Court. I disagree; the SC has proved time and again that when asked to Bow, the Judges crawl.

WE SHUD PROTEST PEACEFULLY BUT VEHEMENTLY AGAINST INJUSTICE IN ALL FORMS.

P.S. It is heartening to see that our fellow Muslims are protesting in a secular constitutional way and not relying on Maulvis and Fatwas to lead the way.  

AFAIK,AAM ADHMI party proved its possible to tamper the machine before the vote counting day with the data in the favour of anyone and the case is still in pending at the court but the ruling time period got exhausted already so who cares once they got into the power because they are the one who is going to control the entire actions.Now they have EVM so they can win elections forever and no chance for the opposition to prove anything anymore.

I also heard from people that the electronic voting machines (EVM) were hacked in the previous general election but I do not think there was ever conclusive proof but if you say it was proved that they could be hacked then you have the proof I suppose.

No matter how unlikely, if the opposition came to power in the next election do you think they would be able to change anything?

As long as Electronic Voting Machine (EVM) used for polling BJB is going to win the elections.

Many parties proved that EVM can be hacked and altered the polled results to election commission of India but still they claims that no one can change the results so they are also getting corrupted.

Moreover the opposition part Congress not have much support from public and there is no third national party in India who can take advantage of this and win elections.

I am not foo familiar with the issues and background politics but what several news media outlets and online chats show is that the current government was beaten in the election that took place days ago in Delhi and that was the first election of any standing that took place after the controversial law was introduced. If that is a sign of things to come then maybe they will not be too successful at the next general election and that is saying something considering the current Prime Minister and his party won by a landslide in the 2019 elections.

Even though if they said they have no plans to bring NRC for now,they are doing it.For example when someone wants to apply for aadhar correction or new application there is a column for NRC certificate,if you failed to provide the details then you may not be considered as citizen of India even if you got Aaadhar.And also in nationalized bank account opening applications already got something about NRC.

If they have no intention of implementing such law then why they implemented on such things.

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Thanks for those merits. Indian community is on the right path now in Bitcointalk.

Things are not as simple as they seem from distance. No doubt thousands of Indians have protested against CAA during last 70 days. But most of the genuine protests are now over. Whatever left now is orchestrated drama from opposition parties and communists. One of the most prominent destination of protest currently is Shaheen Bagh. It is clearly evident that protesters there are paid certain amount and free food daily.

Protests during December had great success and they put government on backfoot regarding NRC. As a result, government decided not to bring NRC into picture for now. Story over! But some people still keep on dragging protest for no reason. It won't take much intelligence to figure out that current protest is more of a propaganda than serious rebel. 

By the way,
Messi obviously!