Citizenship Amendment Bill and NRC - Good or bad for India? - page 2.

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Quote from: JollyGood on February 17, 2020, 07:43:58 PM

From what I have read and seen regarding this subject, it is a highly contentious issue in India. So many people of all ages and religions are demonstrating in many cities against this bill by protesting peacefully by arranging sit ins.

Quote from: avikz on December 12, 2019, 08:58:58 AM

I'm sure, this topic needs no further explanation as it is a hot topic right now everywhere! Even though it is not related to cryptos but I am sure want to know what people are thinking. I am listening to different opinions from different people about it - some are saying it will disturb the normal course of life in India and some people are saying it will be great for the future of India.

Please speak out your thoughts on it! Whatever your take on it, don't miss the reason!

New CAB shows that ruling part clearly hates Muslims and wanted to build vote banks by saying Hindustan and Hindus.

Now NRC becomes more hot topic and it looks Indian government is going to take Census and verify their identity of each and every people sooner.What the funny fact is they don't accept Aadhar (national ID of every Indian) and Passport to prove that they are Indians. Roll Eyes

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From what I have read and seen regarding this subject, it is a highly contentious issue in India. So many people of all ages and religions are demonstrating in many cities against this bill by protesting peacefully by arranging sit ins.

Quote from: avikz on December 12, 2019, 08:58:58 AM

I'm sure, this topic needs no further explanation as it is a hot topic right now everywhere! Even though it is not related to cryptos but I am sure want to know what people are thinking. I am listening to different opinions from different people about it - some are saying it will disturb the normal course of life in India and some people are saying it will be great for the future of India.

Please speak out your thoughts on it! Whatever your take on it, don't miss the reason!

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Quote from: Clement Kaliyar on December 27, 2019, 10:25:06 AM

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BJP claims that India is a country of Hindus but it actually never a country before East India colonize there,before that it was just separated as thousands of small nations which was ruled by kings.

These voices are from a group who never participated in the freedom struggle and the ideology of Hindutva belongs to Savarkar who licked the British to get released from jail whenever he was arrested by the British by providing sensitive information about the plans on how the freedom fighters are planning next and now they are coming up are painting him as a saint and freedom fighter which is bull shit. These are documented history in India and they are trying to spread a different version which is bullshit lies.
It is true that the region was ruled by several kings according to the region and India was prone to foreign invasion for thousands of years and we united as a nation to fight against imperial rulers and now we are one and we do not want some stupid leaders to separate us further.

But slowly Indian people starts to believe their lies or just pretend that India is nation for Hindus just to get more benefits if there are no more Muslims in this country but they never realized that once if Muslims got dumped then caste related issues will be burst to separate further more.

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Quote from: cyberops27 on December 27, 2019, 12:49:50 AM

CAA and NRC are just mind diverting topic for the government because our finance minister is unable to hold economy and its drowning day by day....the idea of creating tension between 2 major religion of a country is soo beneficial for the government as this trick worked for almost 100 years for the britishers and it still works. Sad

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Absolutely! Just to add, please read the below news as well,

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/bjp-gains-in-polls-after-every-riot-says-yale-study/articleshow/45378840.cms

Whenever there is a riot, BJP benefited from it. Our Prime Minister is not a Saint, rather Godhra happened during his tenure where Amit Shah was the Home Minister!

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Quote from: akram143 on December 24, 2019, 07:23:35 AM

BJP claims that India is a country of Hindus but it actually never a country before East India colonize there,before that it was just separated as thousands of small nations which was ruled by kings.

These voices are from a group who never participated in the freedom struggle and the ideology of Hindutva belongs to Savarkar who licked the British to get released from jail whenever he was arrested by the British by providing sensitive information about the plans on how the freedom fighters are planning next and now they are coming up are painting him as a saint and freedom fighter which is bull shit. These are documented history in India and they are trying to spread a different version which is bullshit lies.
It is true that the region was ruled by several kings according to the region and India was prone to foreign invasion for thousands of years and we united as a nation to fight against imperial rulers and now we are one and we do not want some stupid leaders to separate us further.

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CAA and NRC are just mind diverting topic for the government because our finance minister is unable to hold economy and its drowning day by day....the idea of creating tension between 2 major religion of a country is soo beneficial for the government as this trick worked for almost 100 years for the britishers and it still works. Sad

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Quote from: erikalui on December 24, 2019, 03:49:24 AM

The situation has led to the doom of BJP. It lost in Jharkhand. Whatever it is, BJP shouldn't have isolated one religion when they know the tolerance level of the country is below 0 when it comes to religion.

BJP claims that India is a country of Hindus but it actually never a country before East India colonize there,before that it was just separated as thousands of small nations which was ruled by kings.

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The situation has led to the doom of BJP. It lost in Jharkhand. Whatever it is, BJP shouldn't have isolated one religion when they know the tolerance level of the country is below 0 when it comes to religion.

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^ Citizens everything when they see currency note on the hands of politicians at the time of election time and also they get manipulated heavily at that time but the real voter should take all the actions into the account while voting in their ruling period to get much clear vision of what should be done.

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Quote from: akram143 on December 18, 2019, 09:25:43 AM

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When we give someone as supreme power and no power to oppose the decision from the ruling party to opposition party then these things will happen.

If some snatch the power in the name of fake patriotism and in a country where majority of the voters are illiterate who likes to hear good words from every politicians and on top of that if patriotism is used to get the voters motivated during the elections what more can we expect.

Quote from: akram143 on December 18, 2019, 09:25:43 AM

Just be patient and show what we can do on the voting day until that no one can save us. Cheesy

I am expecting any turn of events to show patriotism during the next election and the dumb fold people will forget everything else and vote for the current political players once again. Even if majority of the people are able to see the fake patriotism showcased by these politicians the voting majority things otherwise because they might be getting a few thousand rupees on the day of voting and that is how the voting bank works.

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Quote from: Clement Kaliyar on December 18, 2019, 08:23:51 AM

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This bill on its own is very less productive. The only reason why BJP introduced this bill is for political gain. In short, it's a political stunt to impress Hindus.
But is it right to oppose bill through protests and all? No! I would suggest people remain calm and don't react much to this bill (or act now) because although act is not doing any greater good and is surely biased but on the other hand, it isn't even doing wrongful to anyone. So why so much anger?

If the elected representatives are not doing their job and if an elected government try to create chaos then the people will protest, historically we gained freedom by peaceful and violent protest against the British and now you are telling that these protest should not be done even when they are doing things against the secular constitution of India more over the protest are peaceful but the government is trying to make it appear as if these are violent protest to silence everyone and that cannot happen in India, this is a democracy which believes in secularism and if some stupid ideology is imposed by some the entire country will not ring to that tune.

When we give someone as supreme power and no power to oppose the decision from the ruling party to opposition party then these things will happen.

Just be patient and show what we can do on the voting day until that no one can save us. Cheesy

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Quote from: webtricks on December 18, 2019, 08:17:14 AM

This bill on its own is very less productive. The only reason why BJP introduced this bill is for political gain. In short, it's a political stunt to impress Hindus.
But is it right to oppose bill through protests and all? No! I would suggest people remain calm and don't react much to this bill (or act now) because although act is not doing any greater good and is surely biased but on the other hand, it isn't even doing wrongful to anyone. So why so much anger?

If the elected representatives are not doing their job and if an elected government try to create chaos then the people will protest, historically we gained freedom by peaceful and violent protest against the British and now you are telling that these protest should not be done even when they are doing things against the secular constitution of India more over the protest are peaceful but the government is trying to make it appear as if these are violent protest to silence everyone and that cannot happen in India, this is a democracy which believes in secularism and if some stupid ideology is imposed by some the entire country will not ring to that tune.

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Quote from: avikz on December 12, 2019, 08:58:58 AM

I'm sure, this topic needs no further explanation as it is a hot topic right now everywhere! Even though it is not related to cryptos but I am sure want to know what people are thinking. I am listening to different opinions from different people about it - some are saying it will disturb the normal course of life in India and some people are saying it will be great for the future of India.

Please speak out your thoughts on it! Whatever your take on it, don't miss the reason!

This bill on its own is very less productive. The only reason why BJP introduced this bill is for political gain. In short, it's a political stunt to impress Hindus.
But is it right to oppose bill through protests and all? No! I would suggest people remain calm and don't react much to this bill (or act now) because although act is not doing any greater good and is surely biased but on the other hand, it isn't even doing wrongful to anyone. So why so much anger?

Now coming to NRC. I won't tell whether I support NRC or not but there is one reason why I strongly oppose NRC and i.e. high chance of errors. Government may have good intention behind it, who knows but execution of NRC throughout country will create unnecessary chaos. I have experience in maintaining 'Register of Members' under Companies Act and believe me it's too complicated. Now imagine if maintaining register for handful of members is that difficult, how difficult would be to maintain register for every citizen of country! It's crazy to even think about it. Many people will have their names even though they don't qualify, many people won't have their names even though they qualify! Chaos! Chaos!

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Quote from: akhjob on December 18, 2019, 03:25:35 AM

Nothing is going to change because of the mass protest. Supreme court might set aside the act as it is unconstitutional. But I am sure that Modi and Amit Shah were already aware about the possibility of a judicial review, when they passed the unconstitutional bill.

The judiciary is the final resolution for these unconstitutional bill as we as Indians have to uphold our country and its constitution, Pakistan was created because they wanted a country on religious terms and BJP as a political movement were no where representing India in the freedom struggle as they were with the British and now they want to change history and constitution of India which cannot be accepted.

Quote from: akhjob on December 18, 2019, 03:25:35 AM

IMHO, they aren't even interested in giving citizenship to the refugees as they claim to be, all they are interested is the vote bank.. 95+ crore Hindus and 5+ crore other religious members (Christians, Sikhs, Jains, Parsis and Bhuddists). To these communities, now Modi and Amit Shah are their saviours. Even if SC strikes down CAB, Modi and Amit Shah will be happy as they have achieved their hidden agenda.

I agree with this completely, they knew that there will be strikes and uncertainty all over the country and it is their hidden agenda to create uncertainty in India and the prime example was the organized attack by the Delhi police to burn the buses and then blame those in the name of protestors and to silence every protest.

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Quote from: akram143 on December 17, 2019, 11:56:21 PM

My question is,will there be an change on CAB if protest goes that big?

Nothing is going to change because of the mass protest. Supreme court might set aside the act as it is unconstitutional. But I am sure that Modi and Amit Shah were already aware about the possibility of a judicial review, when they passed the unconstitutional bill.

IMHO, they aren't even interested in giving citizenship to the refugees as they claim to be, all they are interested is the vote bank.. 95+ crore Hindus and 5+ crore other religious members (Christians, Sikhs, Jains, Parsis and Bhuddists). To these communities, now Modi and Amit Shah are their saviours. Even if SC strikes down CAB, Modi and Amit Shah will be happy as they have achieved their hidden agenda.

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^Only explanation given by the government side for this CAB will was they will give shelter for minorities because they were tortured by neighbouring countries so they give citizenship to them.But already Northern east part of India and state like Delhi is on chaos for this issue and soon all over India there will be more protest will happen.

My question is,will there be an change on CAB if protest goes that big?

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Quote from: ~Money~ on December 17, 2019, 05:59:57 AM

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When you exempt the Muslims from the bill.

its for minorities of those 3 countries now can you tell me one thing, if you are Muslim and living in Mulsim country then how come you will be in minorities?
even Muslims can apply for citizenship, i don't know who told you that Muslims can not apply for citizenship of India. it's just the few politicians those using this for getting there vote bank in upcoming elections on the name of CAB.

link to bill please check once and tell me where it says muslims cant not apply for cititzenship of India - http://164.100.47.4/BillsTexts/LSBillTexts/Asintroduced/370_2019_LS_Eng.pdf

Currently, only six religions (Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains, Parsis and Christians) are eligible under CAB.
Have you heard of Ahmadiyya Muslims? Ahmadiyya Muslims are declared as non-muslims in Pakistan. I hope this answers your question. And I never said that Muslims can't apply for citizenship. I'm just saying that CAB is giving special privileges to a certain sector and neglecting others.

There are many questions unanswered here -
Why not add Ahmadiyya Muslims to the list?
Why not include other faiths?
What happened to atheists?
What happened to the refugees from Myanmar and Sirlanka? Myanmar has a history of persecution towards Rohingya Muslims, so does Srilanka with Tamil Elam's.
So why the special treatment towards these three Muslim nations?

For argument sake, if it was only Pakistan and Bangladesh, then we can say that they were separated from India once. But when you add Afghanistan why not add the Buddhist nations, Srilanka and Myanmar too?

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Quote from: akhjob on December 16, 2019, 06:46:03 AM

When you exempt the Muslims from the bill.

its for minorities of those 3 countries now can you tell me one thing, if you are Muslim and living in Mulsim country then how come you will be in minorities?
even Muslims can apply for citizenship, i don't know who told you that Muslims can not apply for citizenship of India. it's just the few politicians those using this for getting there vote bank in upcoming elections on the name of CAB.

link to bill please check once and tell me where it says muslims cant not apply for cititzenship of India - http://164.100.47.4/BillsTexts/LSBillTexts/Asintroduced/370_2019_LS_Eng.pdf

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The citizenship amendment bill is completely unconstitutional. The preamble of the Indian Constitution starts like this

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WE, THE PEOPLE OF INDIA, having solemnly resolved to constitute India into a SOVEREIGN SOCIALIST SECULAR DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC and to secure to all its citizens

When you exempt the Muslims from the bill, the country is no longer secular as they claim to be. By passing this bill, the Government is creating further rift between the Muslims and other religious communities in India. The think is when you have absolute majority in the house, you can pass whatever bullshit you want, even if it's unconstitutional.
And as Clement Kaliyar pointed out, this throws a bad light on the nation and should not be entertained.

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Quote from: akram143 on December 12, 2019, 12:25:21 PM

I don't have much deeper knowledge about these things.
But what I read was 11 years changed to 5 years so anyone from the mentioned 3 countries can be natural Indian citizen if they can stay longer than 5 years but except Muslims.So again these things happening for political benefits not for any good cause.

The funny things about this bill is that you decide you are a non Muslim then you are entitled to become a citizen but is shows a different light about the state of the nation to the world as it is aiming forward the religious fundamentalism rather than upholding the constitution of secularism as we as a country allows all kind of religion and respect other cultures but this fundamentalist idea should not be entertained.

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